LadySkinsFan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 So what are they hiding? And by whose orders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 They are calling this a false flag or Isis terrorist attack cover up in conservative circles. This wont help to slow that down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Sinister Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 38 minutes ago, Llevron said: They are calling this a false flag or Isis terrorist attack cover up in conservative circles. This wont help to slow that down. Let's be real. They could be 100 % up front with everything, and give people tours of the crime scene, evidence room, etc. It wouldn't matter at all, because those people are insane/non educated 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: Let's be real. They could be 100 % up front with everything, and give people tours of the crime scene, evidence room, etc. It wouldn't matter at all, because those people are insane/non educated True. These conspiracy theories are mainstream now unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcl05 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Some nut shoots 600 people in 10 minutes and we get an 81 page shrug. this is so depressing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Huh. So crazy man is crazy. What a stunning revelation. ~Bang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 On 11/29/2017 at 10:09 AM, Larry said: One of my clients was a local gym. Their advertising office featured a poster of an ad (I have no clue if they actually ran it) of a space alien, with the words "When they come, they'll eat the fat ones first". I’ve long said that the only interest we could hold for a species intelligent enough to travel through space to get here would be if they found us delicious. There are an awful lot of unsolved missing persons cases though. j/s? On 11/29/2017 at 10:22 AM, AsburySkinsFan said: Making damned jokes about mass murderer denials. I don’t find it funny. You think it’s clever, just a jackwaggon move. Alex Jones is a cancer and you want to deflect attention from him. @twa why is it that you are ALWAYS defending the wrong side? Either it’s his gig or he’s just a too clever by half putz. You be the judge. Just know that your outrage is what he lives for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 18 hours ago, bcl05 said: Some nut shoots 600 people in 10 minutes and we get an 81 page shrug. this is so depressing... This was my exact reaction. I read the police report yesterday and it was basically a really really really descriptive depiction of the crime scene. I didnt learn anything about the man, his history, his motivations. Complete bull**** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Is it possible that LVPD isn’t really set up to tell us motives and history of this man? As in, should the FBI or DEA be running an investigation? Or are they and perhaps we will learn more at a later date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 One aspect of the investigation focused on Paddock’s financials. The investigation proved Paddock was self-funded through his gambling and past real estate transactions. He was indebted to no one and in fact paid all his gambling debts off prior to the shooting. That's the only interesting tidbit I saw in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I am sure that the FBI at least looked into this. The worst mass shooting in the US and the investigation was left solely in local government's hands? That's naive thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I think the police simply had no clue on this one. Paddock left no clues or indications on why he did this. One you have to chalk up to, "he was just mentally and emotionally unstable and he felt like killing a bunch of people." And that is troubling to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Dude had a breakdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The dude wanted to shoot a bunch of people. It’s actually a very common sentiment. This guy just had the means to do it in a uniquely effective manner. I mean...look at the surge in the popularity of zombie movies/tv/stuff. Is this because folks love the deep underlying social commentary contained therein or because they really love watching hours upon hours upon hours of nameless, faceless drones getting shot in the head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I dunno man. I can watch Die Hard a thousand times. I don’t want to actually go shoot a bunch of people up in real life though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Dude had a breakdown. I'm not giving up yet on my psychiatric drug connection. The sedative-hypnotic Paddock was taking is from a class of drugs also known as benzodiazepines that have been documented in several studies to cause violence, aggression, homicidal ideation and suicide risk or attempts. They can become addictive within 14 days of taking them, although Dr. David Sack, board certified in addiction medicine, says, "Tolerance and dependence can develop quickly. There have been reports of people who received high doses of benzodiazepines becoming physically dependent in as little as two days."[2] Media reporting on Paddock's diazepam use include: Paul Harasim from the Las Vegas Review-Journalobtained records from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program that show Paddock was prescribed fifty 10-milligram diazepam on June 21of this year, as well as fifty 10-milligram tablets in 2016.[3] On October 9, Scott Gloverand Kyung Lah for CNN reported that court records CNN obtained indicated that Paddock had been prescribed the drugs as far back as 2013.[4] In a 97-page 2013 court document exclusively obtained and released by CNN, Paddock himself admitted to being prescribed diazepam when he was deposed as part of a civil suit he filed against a hotel, after slipping on its walkway in 2011. According to CNN, the document revealed Paddock said he was prescribed diazepam for "anxiousness" and when asked whether he had a good relationship with the doctor who prescribed him the pills, he responded, "He's like on retainer, I call it, I guess. It means I pay a fee yearly...I have good access to him." CNN also noted that "Rage, aggressiveness, and irritability are among the possible side effects of taking diazepam" according to a manufacturer of the drug. It is not known when Paddock last took the drug. WND reported that according to a study published in the June 2015World Psychiatryjournal there is a strong correlation between a person's risk of homicide and use of benzodiazepines. After examining 960 adults and teens convicted of homicide, the study found users of benzodiazepines have a 45 percent increased risk of committing homicide.[5] ..... The New York State Senate recognized the lack of reporting correlating mind-altering psychiatric drugs to both suicide and violence as far back as 2000, when the senate introduced a bill which would "require police to report to the Division of Criminal Justice Services (DCJS), certain crimes and suicides committed by persons using psychotropic drugs," citing "a large body of scientific research establishing a connection between violence and suicide and the use of psychotropic drugs." Unfortunately, that bill stalled out in the finance committee, yet had it passed, a reporting system would be in place to determine the extent to which violence is committed by those under the influence of mind-altering prescribed drugs. The FDA admits that only 1-10 percent of drug adverse effects are reported to MedWatch[6], so taking a medium range of 5 percent, the number of homicidal ideation/homicides linked to psychiatric drugs could be more than 30,600. ...... Some examples of high-profile cases where the individual was under the influence of such drugs include John Hinckleywho on March 30, 1981 gunned down James Brady, press secretary to President Ronald Reagan, a Secret Service agent, and a D.C. police officer outside the Washington Hilton Hotel. A psychiatrist later attributed Hinckley's attack on the president and others to a violent rage precipitated by diazepam.[7] http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/Another-Mass-Shooting-Potentially-Linked-to-Psychiatric-Drugs-1002085657 That's a lot of smoke. Edited January 20, 2018 by grego 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said: The dude wanted to shoot a bunch of people. It’s actually a very common sentiment. This guy just had the means to do it in a uniquely effective manner. I mean...look at the surge in the popularity of zombie movies/tv/stuff. Is this because folks love the deep underlying social commentary contained therein or because they really love watching hours upon hours upon hours of nameless, faceless drones getting shot in the head? Swing and a miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 4 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said: I mean...look at the surge in the popularity of zombie movies/tv/stuff. Is this because folks love the deep underlying social commentary contained therein or because they really love watching hours upon hours upon hours of nameless, faceless drones getting shot in the head? Zombie stories aren't devoid of social commentary. They're just a bizarre spin on the classic narrative conflicts of Man vs Nature and Man vs Man. Tribalism. The fragile nature of civilization. Confronting the prospect of death, with the twist that it has now been given a corporeal form. Man inevitably proving to be the more dangerous monster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aszumilo Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 9 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said: I am sure that the FBI at least looked into this. The worst mass shooting in the US and the investigation was left solely in local government's hands? That's naive thinking. The FBI is investigating. They have said they will not release anything till around October 1, 2018. And do not underestimate the LVMPD. They are actually a pretty good department. I find it funny that so many people, so far away from here, have all kinds of things rattling around in their heads and want to believe that the PD here is incompetent. That is naive thinking. https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/fbi-chief-says-report-on-las-vegas-shooting-expected-by-anniversary/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, aszumilo said: The FBI is investigating. They have said they will not release anything till around October 1, 2018. And do not underestimate the LVMPD. They are actually a pretty good department. I find it funny that so many people, so far away from here, have all kinds of things rattling around in their heads and want to believe that the PD here is incompetent. That is naive thinking. https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/fbi-chief-says-report-on-las-vegas-shooting-expected-by-anniversary/ Really it’s just wishful thinking. Perhaps if the PD is missing something because of lack of resources then another agency can get some answers. I’m sure that LV is more that adequate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 22 hours ago, Mr. Sinister said: Swing and a miss 21 hours ago, Destino said: Zombie stories aren't devoid of social commentary. They're just a bizarre spin on the classic narrative conflicts of Man vs Nature and Man vs Man. Tribalism. The fragile nature of civilization. Confronting the prospect of death, with the twist that it has now been given a corporeal form. Man inevitably proving to be the more dangerous monster. Since both of y’all kinda missed the point, I’ll state it more plainly... Modern zombie stuff (TWD, FTWD, etc.) is murder-porn. It’s entire appeal is based on providing a cathartic outlet for people who desperately want to slaughter their family/neighbors/coworkers and drop out of society. It literally is nothing more than hours upon hours of shots to the dome....and it’s one of the most popular shows of all time for that reason, precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, TryTheBeal! said: Since both of y’all kinda missed the point, I’ll state it more plainly... Modern zombie stuff (TWD, FTWD, etc.) is murder-porn. It’s entire appeal is based on providing a cathartic outlet for people who desperately want to slaughter their family/neighbors/coworkers and drop out of society. It literally is nothing more than hours upon hours of shots to the dome....and it’s one of the most popular shows of all time for that reason, precisely. There are really better options for murder porn, Zombies are special as Destino said. I got a kick out of my mexican neighbor that forbid violent video games but fully supported killing zombie ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: Since both of y’all kinda missed the point, I’ll state it more plainly... Modern zombie stuff (TWD, FTWD, etc.) is murder-porn. It’s entire appeal is based on providing a cathartic outlet for people who desperately want to slaughter their family/neighbors/coworkers and drop out of society. It literally is nothing more than hours upon hours of shots to the dome....and it’s one of the most popular shows of all time for that reason, precisely. No. I understood your point. I just think you are dead wrong. The shows you are talking about, and the broader scope of shows and movies like that today, are more a product of "Post apocalyptic" storytelling (rather than killallthezombies), reflecting the uneasiness surrounding the current times we live in, and people identifying with the day to day struggles of the characters, learning to live and survive in a destroyed world. For many, including myself on occasion they find the issues very relatable, and cathartic, in that way. It has little to do with shooting people in the head. If it did, and people loved the show for that reason alone (like you claim), they would not be currently abandoning it in droves, as this was the most "People shooting people" season ever, with the "All Out War" tagline. It is not "hours upon hours of shots to the dome". The zombies are not even integral to the main point of the entire show, and other works. Just a byproduct... a prop. A testament to the ugliness that caused the world to end, leaving survivors to pick up the pieces. Zombie (and the many created iterations of the phrase thoughout entertainment) movies and shows never really went anywhere. One show just caught fire and took the genre to the forefront of mainstream tv. I however cannot recall a time when it was not popular, though And they are not people anyway, they are zombies. Monsters. The more serious moments come, when its people that are forced to kill other people, and the show makes sure to highlight that. You know who can't differentiate? People who are truly nuts, no matter what they decide to watch/relieve stress doing. Crazy people can do anything to get their catharsis, mainly through chopping other people up, but also through exercise, video games, heavy metal, gardening, etc. So the fact that you are choosing to die on the Zombie Apocalypse hill, makes this all very interesting. Edited January 21, 2018 by Mr. Sinister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Ehh, I think the Zombie shows/movies are mostly made for women. Men that watch those religiously should check their testosterone levels. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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