General Mass Shooting Thread (originally Las Vegas Strip)

[Bang]

16 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Wow. 

 

How quickly their prayers were forgotten.

 

No.

their prayers were answered.

They did nothing, which is exactly what their masters want.

they pray to the dollar, pray to the gun.

 

Now we lay you down to die

Someone shot you in the eye

Too bad for you, you stupid ****

These mass shootings make me rich

Brains on the pavement, isn't that fun?

A small price to pay to sell everyone a gun.

So bless me, Jesus, for i love you so

Well, that isn't true, as you well know.

Here is our congressional prayer, it's the truth, although a bit crass
Take your country, your values and your god, and shove them up your ass

Better duck! Better run!
or better yet,, buy another gun.

Cha-Ching.

 

~Bang

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2017 by Bang

[Mr. Sinister]

The Cosmic Lottery

[Popeman38]

18 hours ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

Trump’s America

Get the **** outta here.  The same **** happened after Sandy Hook.  Was that Obama's America?

[Going Commando]

3 minutes ago, Popeman38 said:

Get the **** outta here.  The same **** happened after Sandy Hook.  Was that Obama's America?

 

He was being charitable to Republicans by pinning it on Trump.  It's the GoP's America.

[Popeman38]

Just now, stevemcqueen1 said:

He was being charitable to Republicans by pinning it on Trump.  It's the GoP's America.

It's the ****ing idiot's America. Stupid isn't reserved for a party.

[Going Commando]

Just now, Popeman38 said:

It's the ****ing idiot's America. Stupid isn't reserved for a party.

 

Which party do you think gun nuts that believe nonsense conspiracy theories about mass shootings vote for?

[Popeman38]

1 minute ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Which party do you think gun nuts that believe nonsense conspiracy theories about mass shootings vote for?

I'm sorry, are you going to pretend like this subject is the only one that attracts crazy? Or are you going to claim only GOP voters are part of stupid?  Cause my point stands.

[Dan T.]

18 hours ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

 

 

Trump’s America

 

15 minutes ago, Popeman38 said:

Get the **** outta here.  The same **** happened after Sandy Hook.  Was that Obama's America?

 

It's this guy's America. 

 

Who do his followers support?

 

[AsburySkinsFan]

25 minutes ago, Popeman38 said:

Get the **** outta here.  The same **** happened after Sandy Hook.  Was that Obama's America?

Oh I’m sorry but was it the Left inventing conspiracy theories about the flase flag shooting at Sandy Hook? No.

These are Trump’s people.

That’s HIS America.

[Going Commando]

9 minutes ago, Popeman38 said:

I'm sorry, are you going to pretend like this subject is the only one that attracts crazy? Or are you going to claim only GOP voters are part of stupid?  Cause my point stands.

 

I think that, if you're a conservative who wants a better GoP than this Trump version, as a first step towards achieving that, you're going to have to be intellectually honest about what's become of the GoP's constituency.  I think you know that the GoP has trawled for cheap votes by cultivating a fact-averse, conspiracy-loving constituency that is distrustful of media sources that aren't right wing propaganda outlets.  And I think you know that Donald Trump took this strategy and turned it up to 11.

 

You may not like the partisan shot, but the GoP earned it.

[Popeman38]

Just now, AsburySkinsFan said:

Oh I’m sorry but was it the Left inventing conspiracy theories about the flase flag shooting at Sandy Hook? No.

These are Trump’s people.

That’s HIS America.

I'm sorry, was Trump anything other than a reality TV host after Sandy Hook?

[AsburySkinsFan]

1 minute ago, Popeman38 said:

I'm sorry, was Trump anything other than a reality TV host after Sandy Hook?

Yes he was, he was one of thr loudest mouths in the birther movement and perpetual Obama critic. These are Trump’s people, deny it all you want but those people do not reflect Obama’s vision for America. Quite the opposite, they reflect Trump’s vision. They reflect Trump’s love of conspiracy. THEY are Trump’s America.

[Popeman38]

1 minute ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

I think that, if you're a conservative who wants a better GoP than this Trump version, as a first step towards achieving that, you're going to have to be intellectually honest about what's become of the GoP's constituency.  I think you know that the GoP has trawled for cheap votes by cultivating a fact-averse, conspiracy-loving constituency that is distrustful of media sources that aren't right wing propaganda outlets.  And I think you know that Donald Trump took this strategy and turned it up to 11.

 

You may not like the partisan shot, but the GoP earned it.

I'm not a GOPer.

 

And snark as you may, that GOP managed to win the House, Senate,and White House.  People can continue to cast it as the a reflection of the party, but it is more a reflection of the people.  How many people do you know that vote pure party line?

[AsburySkinsFan]

9 minutes ago, Popeman38 said:

I'm not a GOPer.

 

And snark as you may, that GOP managed to win the House, Senate,and White House.  People can continue to cast it as the a reflection of the party, but it is more a reflection of the people.  How many people do you know that vote pure party line?

Wrong, he is not a reflection if the nation. He is a reflection of the GOP. It was not Independents, Moderates and Democrats who voted Trump out of the primaries. It was Rightwing registered Republicans who turned out across the country and vited for him until there was no one left to vote for but Trump.

 

But yeah, it’s everyone’s fault BUT Republicans.

[Going Commando]

5 minutes ago, Popeman38 said:

I'm not a GOPer.

 

And snark as you may, that GOP managed to win the House, Senate,and White House.  People can continue to cast it as the a reflection of the party, but it is more a reflection of the people.  How many people do you know that vote pure party line?

 

Are you a conservative voter who'd like to have a better GoP?  I think most people do vote party line, and the party and the base are ideologically linked.  People are social animals who, by and large, conform their principles and beliefs to the people that surround them.  Those communities form their beliefs based on the efforts and speech of influential leaders.  Thus people are led to their beliefs by influencers like media outlets, politicians, teachers, etc.  The GoP constituency has been led to their current state of rejecting facts and embracing conspiracies and extremism and far right propaganda by many of the most influential figures in the party.

[Bozo the kKklown]

There is no "Trump's America."

 

Its America, and has been on full display. The second you stop blaming someone for this mess and work on how to fix it, the sooner we can fix it.

[AsburySkinsFan]

I notice that Pope ignored the Alex Jones connection. The Conservatives want to blame EVERYONE else for Trump. But THEY are the ones who voted for him.

1 minute ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

There is no "Trump's America."

 

Its America, and has been on full display. The second you stop blaming someone for this mess and work on how to fix it, the sooner we can fix it.

And how do you propose we fix it?

There are people who are actively attacking a shooting victim because according to them he is a paid actor involved in some grand deep state conspiracy.

[Springfield]

Good thing there’s a record of what Trump was doing after Sandy Hook.

 

 

 

Heres what President Obama said following Sandy Hook:

 

https://www.npr.org/2012/12/16/167412995/transcript-president-obama-at-sandy-hook-prayer-vigil

 

I can’t read it without tearing up.

[Bozo the kKklown]

15 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

And how do you propose we fix it?

There are people who are actively attacking a shooting victim because according to them he is a paid actor involved in some grand deep state conspiracy.

Im too much of a racial radical to make a suggestion that would help anyone.

 

I would hope those people get prosecuted. But there is an issue with education and critical thinking in this country. There is also an issue with mental illness. A lot of people suffer from it in this country and even on these forums. We doing education and  healthcare wrong in this country and we are seeing it bore out.

 

My only point is to say that these issues were here before Trump and will be here after someone squashes that pumpkin.

Edited November 27, 2017 by BenningRoadSkin

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

The point about this not being Trump's America is accurate and it's important to remember Donald Trump is not the cause of this. He's just one symptom.

 

Quoting the best post from the last few pages for emphasis.

45 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

I think that, if you're a conservative who wants a better GoP than this Trump version, as a first step towards achieving that, you're going to have to be intellectually honest about what's become of the GoP's constituency.  I think you know that the GoP has trawled for cheap votes by cultivating a fact-averse, conspiracy-loving constituency that is distrustful of media sources that aren't right wing propaganda outlets.  And I think you know that Donald Trump took this strategy and turned it up to 11.

 

You may not like the partisan shot, but the GoP earned it.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Just now, BenningRoadSkin said:

Im too much of a racial radical to make a suggestion that would help anyone.

 

I would hope those people get prosecuted.

 

My only point is to say that these issues were here before Trump and will be here after someone squashes that pumpkin.

The key difference is that prior to Trump these people knew enough to keep their mouths shut about their white nationalism and racism. Now they have a champion.

[Bozo the kKklown]

1 minute ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

The key difference is that prior to Trump these people knew enough to keep their mouths shut about their white nationalism and racism. Now they have a champion.

"knew enough to keep their mouths shut" isn't saying there wasnt a problem before the oompa loompa decided to become a political figure.

 

This stuff has been here and people that were able to ignore it or not let it touch their communities are now being affected. 

[AsburySkinsFan]

9 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

"knew enough to keep their mouths shut" isn't saying there wasnt a problem before the oompa loompa decided to become a political figure.

 

This stuff has been here and people that were able to ignore it or not let it touch their communities are now being affected. 

Of course it was there before.

It was contained before.

Trump opened pandora’s box

[Bozo the kKklown]

27 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

Of course it was there before.

It was contained before.

Trump opened pandora’s box

That was my point. A lot of people were shielded from these issues and are now facing the horror in front of them.

 

I posted a good article in The Atlantic about this in one of the Trump threads.

 

The Atlantic: The Nationalist's Delusion

 

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It was 1990 and David Duke, the former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, astonished political observers when he came within striking distance of defeating incumbent Democratic U.S. Senator J. Bennett Johnston, earning 43 percent of the vote. If Johnston’s Republican rival hadn’t dropped out of the race and endorsed him at the last minute, the outcome might have been different.

 

 

Was it economic anxiety? The Washington Post reported that the state had “a large working class that has suffered through a long recession.” Was it a blow against the state’s hated political establishment? An editorial from United Press International explained, “Louisianans showed the nation by voting for Duke that they were mad as hell and not going to take it any more.” Was it anti-Washington rage? A Loyola University pollster argued, “There were the voters who liked Duke, those who hated J. Bennett Johnston, and those who just wanted to send a message to Washington.”

 

What message would those voters have been trying to send by putting a Klansman into office?

“There’s definitely a message bigger than Louisiana here,” Susan Howell, then the director of the Survey Research Center at the University of New Orleans, told the Los Angeles Times. “There is a tremendous amount of anger and frustration among working-class whites, particularly where there is an economic downturn. These people feel left out; they feel government is not responsive to them.”

 

Duke’s strong showing, however, wasn’t powered merely by poor or working-class whites—and the poorest demographic in the state, black voters, backed Johnston. Duke “clobbered Johnston in white working-class districts, ran even with him in predominantly white middle-class suburbs, and lost only because black Louisianans, representing one-quarter of the electorate, voted against him in overwhelming numbers,” The Washington Post reported in 1990. Duke picked up nearly 60 percent of the white vote. Faced with Duke’s popularity among whites of all income levels, the press framed his strong showing largely as the result of the economic suffering of the white working classes. Louisiana had “one of the least-educated electorates in the nation; and a large working class that has suffered through a long recession,” The Post stated.

 

By accepting the economic theory of Duke’s success, the media were buying into the candidate’s own vision of himself as a savior of the working class. He had appealed to voters in economic terms: He tore into welfare and foreign aid, affirmative action and outsourcing, and attacked political-action committees for subverting the interests of the common man. He even tried to appeal to black voters, buying a 30-minute ad in which he declared, “I’m not your enemy.”

 

Duke’s candidacy had initially seemed like a joke. He was a former Klan leader who had showed up to public events in a Nazi uniform and lied about having served in the Vietnam War, a cartoonishly vain supervillain whose belief in his own status as a genetic Übermensch was belied by his plastic surgeries. The joke soon soured, as many white Louisiana voters made clear that Duke’s past didn’t bother them.

 

Many of Duke’s voters steadfastly denied that the former Klan leader was a racist. The St. Petersburg Times reported in 1990 that Duke supporters “are likely to blame the media for making him look like a racist.” The paper quoted G. D. Miller, a “59-year-old oil-and-gas lease buyer,” who said, “The way I understood the Klan, it’s not anti-this or anti-that.”

 

Duke’s rejoinder to the ads framing him as a racist resonated with his supporters. “Remember,” he told them at rallies, “when they smear me, they are really smearing you.”

 

The economic explanation carried the day: Duke was a freak creature of the bayou who had managed to tap into the frustrations of a struggling sector of the Louisiana electorate with an abnormally high tolerance for racist messaging.

 

While the rest of the country gawked at Louisiana and the Duke fiasco, Walker Percy, a Louisiana author, gave a prophetic warning to The New York Times.

“Don’t make the mistake of thinking David Duke is a unique phenomenon confined to Louisiana rednecks and yahoos. He’s not,” Percy said. “He’s not just appealing to the old Klan constituency, he’s appealing to the white middle class. And don’t think that he or somebody like him won’t appeal to the white middle class of Chicago or Queens.”

 

A few days after Duke’s strong showing, the Queens-born businessman Donald Trump appeared on CNN’s Larry King Live.

“It’s anger. I mean, that’s an anger vote. People are angry about what’s happened. People are angry about the jobs. If you look at Louisiana, they’re really in deep trouble,” Trump told King.

 

Trump later predicted that Duke, if he ran for president, would siphon most of his votes away from the incumbent, George H. W. Bush—in the process revealing his own understanding of the effectiveness of white-nationalist appeals to the GOP base.

 

“Whether that be good or bad, David Duke is going to get a lot of votes. Pat Buchanan—who really has many of the same theories, except it's in a better package—Pat Buchanan is going to take a lot of votes away from George Bush,” Trump said. “So if you have these two guys running, or even one of them running, I think George Bush could be in big trouble.” Little more than a year later, Buchanan embarrassed Bush by drawing 37 percent of the vote in New Hampshire’s Republican primary.

 

In February 2016, Trump was asked by a different CNN host about the former Klan leader’s endorsement of his Republican presidential bid.

“Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. Okay?,” Trump said. “I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So I don’t know.”

 

[Popeman38]

1 hour ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

There is no "Trump's America."

 

Its America, and has been on full display. The second you stop blaming someone for this mess and work on how to fix it, the sooner we can fix it.

Thank you.