visionary Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) Edited December 20, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 the next year is going to be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 We've seen how this plays out all ready. The only question is who & what the GOP will blame when it fails miserably again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) When did we turn into some dictator's documentary. Edited December 20, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 Orrin is off his rocker. Needs to be in a home, not the Senate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: We've seen how this plays out all ready. The only question is who & what the GOP will blame when it fails miserably again. The GOP always passes off economic and fiscal pain into the future so that when Democrats get elected and try clean it up, they get blamed by the voters for the mess. They are INCREDIBLY good at that. Millions of voters think that Bush created a great economy, Obama messed it up, and it has just gotten good again because Trump was elected. The GOP understands and appeals to the ignorance of the typical voter in a way that the Democrats will never be able to. Edited December 20, 2017 by Predicto 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Predicto said: The GOP understands and appeals to the ignorance of the typical voter in a way that the Democrats will never be able to. By strategically targeting the most ignorant among them. Anyway, don't blame me... I voted for Zyuganov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 2 hours ago, redskins59 said: They also got rid of the individual mandate. What's going to happen to health insurance? When healthy people don't sign up for Obamacare, the sick ones will have to pay more. It may double or triple. What a bad bill. And they'll blame it on Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Anyone check in with Susan Sarandon to see how she'll spending her tax cut money? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 23 minutes ago, visionary said: Y'all really want to screw Trump/GOP? Move to Florida and register to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 31 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: Orrin is off his rocker. Needs to be in a box, not the Senate. FTFY One of things I have been keeping an eye on is commodities and futures. The first big bite comes in the spring when the ag sector has to plan for the coming year, and the reality that a huge chunk of exports to Mexico have disappeared, along with farm workers not showing up. Pork production is already considering suicide after investing major money in expansion for the Chinese market that went away when dumbass killed the TPP. A big sector of the economy hinges on crop expectations, plantings, yields, margins, etc., and we'll have to see who is willing to toss their hard earned cash in the Repub wishing well (yes I'm looking at you ADM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) Trading Places, and the orange crop futures. Ironically, Franken was in that movie as one of the gorilla keepers. Edited December 20, 2017 by LadySkinsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 33 minutes ago, Larry said: Y'all really want to screw Trump/GOP? Move to Florida and register to vote. I already did. But I was told the other day that I am not the type of person the Left needs to work on earning my vote. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I already did. But I was told the other day that I am not the type of person the Left needs to work on earning my vote. Who said that and what was the context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Hersh said: Who said that and what was the context? I'd have to go back to see who it was but I was essentially saying the Left should move slightly right on core issues to pick up all of us voters who are disgusted with what our former party (the GOP) has become. My example was gun control. Someone posted a link to the Dem Party website and I pointed out two things that if changed, I would seriously consider voting D. It was part of the discussion of if the Left should move further left to motivate their base or slightly right to steal voters from the GOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I'd have to go back to see who it was but I was essentially saying the Left should move slightly right on core issues to pick up all of us voters who are disgusted with what our former party (the GOP) has become. My example was gun control. Someone posted a link to the Dem Party website and I pointed out two things that if changed, I would seriously consider voting D. It was part of the discussion of if the Left should move further left to motivate their base or slightly right to steal voters from the GOP. There won't be 100% agreement on all issues, but you have to go with which group is closer to your beliefs. I'm a Democrat, but I don't say ban all guns, just the ridiculous Rambo level things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, Hersh said: Who said that and what was the context? Found it. It is in the Election 2018 thread. I can't figure out how to post a link to the specific quote. PleaseBlitz said (paraphrasing) "the dems aren't going to get your vote. That's fine." Now in his defense, at the time, he seemed to think I was a single issue voter. While I'm not it is a very important topic to me. And I wasn't saying they should abandon their beliefs on guns, just soften them. I think the Left could steal a ton of votes from the GOP with a stance of something like "have a national CCW law but require some training to get it along with a few other requirements." Anyways, it was a conversation about what we thought the Left should do to win more. 1 minute ago, spjunkies said: There won't be 100% agreement on all issues, but you have to go with which group is closer to your beliefs. I'm a Democrat, but I don't say ban all guns, just the ridiculous Rambo level things I know that. But I have to weigh how important things are to me also and I am very pro-gun. And when their website has several positions I don't agree with, it gives me pause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 The Dems have been moving Right for decades, just look at how centric Clinton was. Sanders and Clinton moved the platform more Left last year than it's been in a number of years. Clinton actually had a pretty balanced platform. The Republicans have skewed so far Right as to be ridiculous. The Tea Party movement really skewed the party. Any movement that could get rid of the far Right House Whip ruined our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Predicto said: Millions of voters think that Bush created a great economy, Obama messed it up, and it has just gotten good again because Trump was elected. It is incredible to watch their brain work as they say that stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just now, tshile said: It is incredible to watch their brain work as they say that stuff. H Bush set up the Clinton good yrs. Are you reading my lips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 minute ago, twa said: H Bush set up the Clinton good yrs. Are you reading my lips? I'm aware of the h bush Clinton arguments, on both sides. I was young, didn't pay attention, never cared to look into it W's was a disaster and Obama cleaned up the mess and anyone who thinks today's situation is the result of trump being elected is an idiot. The right has been wrong, and loudly so, about economic policy for as long as I've been paying attention. They can be a lier or an idiot. Doesn't matter to me. They certainly aren't correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, twa said: H Bush set up the Clinton good yrs. Are you reading my lips? Actually, Clinton rode the tech boom. Neither Clinton nor Bush deserves the credit for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Predicto said: The GOP always passes off economic and fiscal pain into the future so that when Democrats get elected and try clean it up, they get blamed by the voters for the mess. They are INCREDIBLY good at that. Millions of voters think that Bush created a great economy, Obama messed it up, and it has just gotten good again because Trump was elected. The GOP understands and appeals to the ignorance of the typical voter in a way that the Democrats will never be able to. You have to engage in a completely dishonest form of politics to do this stuff. The day Democrats stoop to this level, we will be totally doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, Predicto said: Actually, Clinton rode the tech boom. Neither Clinton nor Bush deserves the credit for that one. That ain't all he rode. Just now, tshile said: W's was a disaster and Obama cleaned up the mess and anyone who thinks today's situation is the result of trump being elected is an idiot. what did O do to clean up the mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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