OVCChairman Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, justice98 said: The trend is he puts it on the ground in limited touches so far, going back to the preseason. I thought he had a middling game. I need to see more, but he had a chance to claim the gig and he didnt. I'm not sold on him having a fumbling issue yet... we'll see how his hand is, but I honestly believe a large % of the RBs on any level fumble that ball. Helmet to hand, it's going to happen. He didn't blow me away by any means, but I don't think he did enough for people to write him off as not being able to be effective on this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Jay loves the big back stuffing it up the gut. I like that he trotted out a FB last night, to help make that statement. Sure, it was likely because Reed was out, but it may also be a change in Jay, to vary his attack from week to week. At least I hope it is. I think the Perine fumble was likely a great play by the D more than a fumbling issue. Perine gets a pass from me in a tough first start. He did THE heavy lifting for the offense before bowing out, which made CT and even likely Mack Brown's jobs a little easier. Did Perine get 1st team practice reps? I doubt it after hearing Kelley practicing all week, and the play calling looked very basic for Perine, almost like he didn't get many 1st team reps. Mack Brown knows the system and clearly had more dynamic play calling, Jay perhaps also using him to his strengths, calling lots of outside zone and letting him use his speed more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, OVCChairman said: I'm not sold on him having a fumbling issue yet... we'll see how his hand is, but I honestly believe a large % of the RBs on any level fumble that ball. Helmet to hand, it's going to happen. He didn't blow me away by any means, but I don't think he did enough for people to write him off as not being able to be effective on this level. I agree. I think Perrine did okay. Biggest negative for me was that he didn't have any WOW plays. I would have really liked a few flashes of power or clever feet or something that makes you think "Wait 'til he figures it out." Brown gives you those flashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmuss1 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Here we go Brown!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobledictator1278 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Its not just writing him off to write him off. He runs big...meaning he is a big target to hit. He is having fumbling issues, and he seems to just run straight where play is designed regardless if anything is there. Seems to me very average...I thought Brown looked better, he ran harder and looked faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 The game against the Raiders was a good example of how to use the run game when you don't really have a superstar (at least one hasn't emerged yet) on your roster. You stay committed to it anyway, use it enough to pick up the chunks of yards you can. You fight hard to pick up about 3 yards a carry, but you keep doing it to wear down the defense and keep then honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobledictator1278 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Also on a side note, I think Reed has lost a step.....I know he is injured, and it seems injury prone. I love Reed and think he has been a beast for us, I think we should try to trade him to see if we can get something for him. Davis is doing fine in his stead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Nobledictator1278 said: Also on a side note, I think Reed has lost a step.....I know he is injured, and it seems injury prone. I love Reed and think he has been a beast for us, I think we should try to trade him to see if we can get something for him. Davis is doing fine in his stead. Sprinkle time? Back on topic, really hoped Perine was going to show more, but it's also a rookie first start. Has anyone heard any injury update on him this morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Chris Thompson has been run down from behind twice in two weeks. I guess he's more quick than fast, even though he ran 4.42 at the combine. He shoulda scored on that long catch and run. And last week, the DB closed on him and just ran out of room. If he had 5 more yards, he woulda caught him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCoach22 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 While it is a different game, and the days of Barry Sanders/Emmitt Smith/Thurman Thomas have sailed, the fact is that the team needs a RB situation stable enough to force Jay to have balance. I saw a stat recently that Jay is now something like 16-3-1 the last three years when his team gets 100 yards on the ground and they are 3-15 when they don't. They want to limit CT to 10-12-15 touches a game to make sure he holds up... I think Brown needs to be in the mix. Not sure he's a guy that can carry 20+, but we haven't tried. He's definitely more explosive. He's also going to have an occasion -2, -3 carry trying to bounce outside, but he's going to also get into the defensive backfield a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Nobledictator1278 said: Also on a side note, I think Reed has lost a step.....I know he is injured, and it seems injury prone. I love Reed and think he has been a beast for us, I think we should try to trade him to see if we can get something for him. Davis is doing fine in his stead. My fear is that Reed is going to go the way of Jimmy Graham. Does he have some big games and plays left in him? Sure. However he is so fragile that it is hard to count on him when everything is on the line. It's hard to game plan around Reed when one hit and he is removed from the game because he hurt.....something. How do you give a big contract to a player like that? It's just a tough decision to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I found it telling in that Brown's first snaps last night, he was in pass pro. That says Jay now trusts him to protect Kirk. Pass pro deficiencies is what we are often told is the big hangup on why that back we love never gets to play. It may be Mack Brown next week - load up fantasy owners. I hope Kelley is not given a full week of 1st team reps again. Maybe it was a bluff to fool Oakland into game planning for Kelley, but likely not with Perine cut from the same mold. Courtesy link to Brandon flipping a DB Spencers moment of glory I mean CTs 74 yarder http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000851091/Chris-Thompson-takes-bubble-screen-74-YARDS-for-near-TD I imagine we have backs scheduled to visit this morning. That guy from preseason I cannot remember his name. We just missed out on Chris Johnson. Maybe Larry Johnson or Willie Parker are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Perine just doesn't have great vision right now. He's running into the backs of his own OL most of the time. He's gotta commit cut and go. Mack Brown is the better RB right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Definitely I want to see a lot more of Brown. The guy can run the tough yards but also has good enough vision to bounce into holes not run in the back of his own OL like Kelly and Perinne do consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Right now I think Brown is our best back because to me he is like Kelley with more speed. Perine may turn out great, but right now he is running with no patience. He just looks to excitable. He needs to calm down and trust his eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Perine lost like just another guy out there, he's not ready to take Kelly's job. If this keep going the way it does, I don't think our feature back is on the roster. We should do what Dallas and Jax did and use a first rounder on a stud since we're committed to the run now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I think regardless we can find one good back in the bunch. Thompson is fantastic, obviously, but we knew that. Brown looked good last night, but I think the Raiders Dline was also worn out. Perine was fine outside of the fumble. Kelley was good the other day, though Im just not sold on him. The issue with telling whether Kelley in week 1 and Perine in week 3 were any good is that we telegraph all of our runs so badly. Everytime we motion that receiver in tight to block, everyone in the stadium knows its a run and then Kelley and Perine have to go against a full on run rushing front 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 You can't say Peregrine without saying Perine... ok nvrmnd Can Vernon Davis play RB? I am kidding. Mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk_Skins Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 We have to give Mac Brown some more goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoDeep81 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Any word on Perine's injury? Was it a hand, mouth, both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 hours ago, justice98 said: Chris Thompson has been run down from behind twice in two weeks. I guess he's more quick than fast, even though he ran 4.42 at the combine. He shoulda scored on that long catch and run. And last week, the DB closed on him and just ran out of room. If he had 5 more yards, he woulda caught him. I noticed that. I wonder if he gets winded easily. It may be a matter of a small tank. Not sure how much conditioning will improve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdskn4eva Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Im not concerned about the Fumble. That was just a perfect hit on the football. Every running back in the NFL fumbles on that type of hit. My problem with Perine is he seems to lack vision and explosion. He has power and he falls forward, so thats good. but there were more than a few runs where he seemed to run up the back of his line. I think its way to early to write him off. He is clearly a back that needs to get into a rhythm, but 19 carries and you cant even crack 60 yards? Yea he needs to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, rdskn4eva said: Im not concerned about the Fumble. That was just a perfect hit on the football. Every running back in the NFL fumbles on that type of hit. My problem with Perine is he seems to lack vision and explosion. He has power and he falls forward, so thats good. but there were more than a few runs where he seemed to run up the back of his line. I think its way to early to write him off. He is clearly a back that needs to get into a rhythm, but 19 carries and you cant even crack 60 yards? Yea he needs to get better. That's pretty much where I'm at, but he has to relax and calm down. Like you said he is just running up the backs of the line sometimes. To anxious. That's why I think Brown is better right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Stupid Loser Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Peregrine said: I think regardless we can find one good back in the bunch. Thompson is fantastic, obviously, but we knew that. Brown looked good last night, but I think the Raiders Dline was also worn out. Perine was fine outside of the fumble. Kelley was good the other day, though Im just not sold on him. The issue with telling whether Kelley in week 1 and Perine in week 3 were any good is that we telegraph all of our runs so badly. Everytime we motion that receiver in tight to block, everyone in the stadium knows its a run and then Kelley and Perine have to go against a full on run rushing front 9. Yes. When Brown came in the Raider's D was done. Not sure Brown would have looked so much better at beginning of game, but who knows. You'd think if he was better he would be higher on the depth chart. Surely the coaches know who's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Just now, Fat Stupid Loser said: Yes. When Brown came in the Raider's D was done. Not sure Brown would have looked so much better at beginning of game, but who knows. You'd think if he was better he would be higher on the depth chart. Surely the coaches know who's better. My guess is it must be pass protection. Only thing I can think of, or he just is not as good in practice. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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