mistertim Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 23 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: Yeah I think he at least has the size to play outside, X or Z but I agree only if they think he can play outside the slot. The idea was to make Crowder more of an outside receiver this season -- Z. I gather that's been abandoned? I admit though what intrigues me is Kirk's kick-punt returning skills. Tired of having crap special teams. So if Kirk drops to the 2nd round, he's intriguing to me. But not as much so as some of the potential running backs that could land at that spot. Yeah a guy doesn't necessarily have to be 6'3 220 to play on the outside (though it helps). A smaller guy can do it but he has to have other exceptional skills to help him beat press coverage. Guys like Antonio Brown, Steve Smith, and OBJ come to mind. Kirk is quite intriguing to me as well..he certainly is exciting to watch. But to take a "tweener" type like that (medium size but super fast) in the 1st IMO he really needs to demonstrate other great skills like exceptional hands and route running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Memphis QB Riley Ferguson looks as if he could be a good one to develop/ mid-season starter. Good accuracy and arm strength, throws well on roll outs. Looks as if he might not cost a 1st rd pick either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 The top 15 Players Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold (QB) Saquon Barley (RB) Quenton Nelson (G) Calvin Ridley (WR) Bradley Chubb, Marcus Davenport, Arden Key (Edge) Vita Vea, Da'Ron Payne, Christian Wilkins (DT) Roquan Smith (LB) Joshua Jackson (CB) Derwin James (SS) Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS) Hope a player you like drops because of issues you're acceptable with or because teams select one or more of: Lamar Jackson (QB), Kolton Miller/Mike McGlinchey (LT) or Courtland Sutton (WR). Otherwise scout the next tier for defense: Trumaine Edmunds, Denzel Ward, Rashaan Evans, Clelin Ferrell, Ronnie Harrison. Day 2 is a tough draft day - I am glad they separated the first round from rounds two and three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I would take Barkley in that scenario. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 7 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Damien Harris is returning to Alabama ... came out yesterday. Which removes a 1st/2nd round grade RB from the group. But again, not a big deal given the dearth of talent. Dearth might not mean what you think it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Depth * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 What's the thinking on James Washington around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newera Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 9:00 PM, Monk4thaHALL said: I feel like Sony Michel is a pro's pro, more so than Chubb. I wants Sony. The all around back we have been missing. Will he be there in the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Newera said: I wants Sony. The all around back we have been missing. Will he be there in the second. That's probably a good call. For a while Samsung was better rated, but Sony's always been a quality manufacturer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 17 hours ago, Silvernon said: What's the thinking on James Washington around here? I’be only watched a few cutups. He’s an intriguing prospect and fun to watch. A playmaker certainly, I’m just not sure how quickly he can make the jump to the NFL level. He’s a guy I’d be willing to take a chance on, but probably not where he’s likely to be drafted and not at the expense of someone who can help either our ground game or run D. @Monk4thaHALLDon’t know that he fits what you’re asking, but how about Richie James? Backup for Crowder that can probably return punts for us. His size is a major concern, but dang is he a little jitterbug. Other than that, haven’t watched much in the way of later round prospects. Maybe I can add a name or two in the coming weeks. Good idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 23 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Damien Harris is returning to Alabama ... came out yesterday. Which removes a 1st/2nd round grade RB from the group. But again, not a big deal given the dearth of talent. Dumb. He's only risking injury. He was already a bonafide day 2 pick and with Najee there, Damien might have to take the seat Bo took this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbothwel Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Can someone deeper into the scouting world explain why Kurt Benkert is not a day 2 prospect? I see good size, quick feet, quick release, strong arm, eyes going through progressions, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Given free agency, teams not having the luxury of developing players and ensuring they would stay like until FA, is it more important to draft guys with lower ceilings but who are ready, or close to ready, to start? Look at Doctson. He may turn into a beast, but after another year or 2 and then he hits FA. If we had drafted, in a lower round, a guy halfway between Doctson and Grant who was ready to go much earlier, would we have been better off? We can always target other teams' FAs who took a few years to develop. 4 hours ago, Burgold said: That's probably a good call. For a while Samsung was better rated, but Sony's always been a quality manufacturer. Sony had a better product but VHS won out because you could record more, errr, football games, yeah that's the ticket, on one tape. No, seriously, went I went to college in the mid-80's, my mom would record Skins games and then mail them to me every week (unless it was a loss, so I got most tapes). I send the tape back, rinse, repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 With the impacts guys like Hunt and Kamara made this year, I see more teams going for RB in round 1. No rookie can impact a team more than a RB(save for hitting the jackpot on QB but the chances of that are a LOT less). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, pcbothwel said: Can someone deeper into the scouting world explain why Kurt Benkert is not a day 2 prospect? I see good size, quick feet, quick release, strong arm, eyes going through progressions, etc. Terrible decision maker, happy feet in the pocket. As a UVA fan, trust me when i say we want nothing to do with him....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Warhead36 said: With the impacts guys like Hunt and Kamara made this year, I see more teams going for RB in round 1. No rookie can impact a team more than a RB(save for hitting the jackpot on QB but the chances of that are a LOT less). I’m more and more thinking this will be the case. I could see Love slipping, but Barkley, Guice, Michel and Chubb going in the 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, skinny21 said: I’m more and more thinking this will be the case. I could see Love slipping, but Barkley, Guice, Michel and Chubb going in the 1st. Love slipping would be the most surprising to me of that entire sentence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoggLife Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 27 minutes ago, panahoo said: Love slipping would be the most surprising to me of that entire sentence... There is no way 4 RB's go in the 1st round. We will have action at the 3rd best RB with our 2nd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, HoggLife said: There is no way 4 RB's go in the 1st round. We will have action at the 3rd best RB with our 2nd round pick. Agreed. But i would draft Love over all but Barkely and Guice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, panahoo said: Agreed. But i would draft Love over all but Barkely and Guice. Yeah, I think Love and Guice are pretty close, and I expect Love to be taken pretty early, but his size makes me think that if one were to slide, it would be him. I would be surprised if one of the two were available with our 2nd round picks, pending something coming up between now and draft time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 11:31 PM, Monk4thaHALL said: Subtopic. Day 3, Undrafted, Glue Guys??? Funny you should ask that because I was looking through walterfootball at guys who may drop but may fill needs in areas on our team. image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Virginia_logo.gif Kurt Benkert, QB, Virginia Height: 6-4. Weight: 215. Projected 40 Time: 4.79. Projected Round (2018): 4-6. 1/11/18: A general manager told WalterFootball.com that Benkert was a player who intrigued them and that they were going to be studying him some more. Benkert completed 59 percent of his passes in 2017 for 3,207 yards with 25 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He accepted an invitation to play in the Senior Bowl. Benkert has enough size and above-average arm strength. While he isn't a great athlete, he has mobility and can extend plays with his feet. Benkert has very impressive deep ball accuracy with the ability to make some phenomenal throws off platform. Benkert will work through his progressions, but he needs to get faster at that and improve his field vision for the NFL. Benkert needs to improve on his feet, but a good NFL coach could fix that. Obviously, working under center and transitioning to a pro system will be a work in progress. The senior is a player to study and consider in the months to come. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php#PhL1qlSR3XlQ8KFx.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Vanderbilt_logo.gif Ralph Webb, RB, Vanderbilt Height: 5-10. Weight: 202. Projected 40 Time: 4.48. Projected Round (2018): 5-7. 12/30/17: This season, Webb averaged 4.3 yards per carry for 831 yards and 10 touchdowns. He also notched 13 receptions for 188 yards and a touchdown as a receiver. Webb played better than the numbers illustrate, as he went against much more talented defenses that sold out to stop him. 7/17/17: Webb goes under the radar at Vanderbilt, but he has been one of the more steady backs in the SEC the past few seasons. Webb averaged 5.1 yards per carry in 2016 for 1,283 yards with 13 touchdowns. He caught 21 passes for 166 yards. The previous year, he averaged 4.2 yards per carry for 1,152 yards and five scores. Webb chipped in 24 receptions for 188 yards and two scores, too. As a freshman, he ran for 907 yards. Webb is a smaller back who might not be a starter in the NFL, but he could be a solid rotational back who also contributes in the passing game. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php#emAwpscrzy92oPqy.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/USC_logo.gif Deontay Burnett*, WR, USC Height: 6-0. Weight: 170. Projected 40 Time: 4.47. Projected Round (2018): 3-5. 12/29/17: Burnett has totaled 74 receptions for 975 yards and nine touchdowns in 2017. He doesn't have great size, but he is a quick receiver who is a quality route-runner. 7/17/17: Burnett flashed as the No. 2 receiver for the Trojans in 2016, catching 56 passes for 622 yards with seven touchdowns. With JuJu Smith-Schuster in the NFL, Burnett could be the No. 1 receiver for USC in 2017. With a tremendous quarterback in Sam Darnold, Burnett could be poised for a big season. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018WR.php#vdgomzjdCle8SAgm.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/WakeForest_logo.gif Cam Serigne, TE, Wake Forest Height: 6-3. Weight: 250. Projected 40 Time: 4.72. Projected Round (2018): 5-7. 12/29/17: This season, Serigne has 35 receptions for 444 yards and eight touchdowns. 7/17/17: Serigne has been a steady producer as a receiver for Wake Forest in his career. As a freshman in 2014, he made 54 receptions for 531 yards with five touchdowns. Serigne stayed consistent as a sophomore with 46 catches for 562 yards and four touchdowns. In 2016, he caught 30 passes for 426 yards and three touchdowns. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018TE.php#fQx8v8HPfe50VsWs.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Indiana_logo.gif Ian Thomas, TE, Indiana Height: 6-5. Weight: 248. Projected 40 Time: 4.73. Projected Round (2018): 4-6. 12/30/17: In 2017, Thomas totaled 25 receptions for 376 yards and five touchdowns. The senior had a coming-out party against Ohio State in the season opener. He ran a great out-and-up route to get open before making a beautiful over-the-shoulder 18-yard touchdown reception in the first quarter. Thomas showed excellent hands and concentration to track the ball for the catch. In the third quarter, Thomas made his second touchdown reception, on a short pass to the flat. He totaled five receptions for 53 yards and two touchdowns on the evening. Indiana was raving about Thomas as a NFL talent even though he made only three receptions for 28 yards as a junior. The senior's performance against Ohio State gave that opinion some validity. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018TE.php#fQx8v8HPfe50VsWs.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/UCLA_logo.gif Caleb Wilson**, TE, UCLA Height: 6-5. Weight: 235. Projected 40 Time: 4.69. Projected Round (2018): 3-5. 12/30/17: Wilson recorded 38 receptions for 490 yards and a touchdown in 2017 before suffering a season-ending foot injury. He was a dangerous receiving weapon for Josh Rosen. Wilson is like a taller, bigger Jordan Reed in terms of his style of play. Wilson had a coming-out party against Texas A&M that illustrated that he is a real receiving-threat tight end prospect for the next level. As Josh Rosen's best receiver, Wilson played a huge role in the Bruins overcoming a 44-10 deficit in the third quarter to win 45-44. Texas A&M had no answer for Wilson, who displayed tremendous route-running to get separation from safeties. Wilson racked up a lot of yards after the catch, showing speed to get through the defense and nice moves in the open field. Wilson totaled 208 yards on 15 receptions against the Aggies. That almost surpassed all of his production from 2016, when the redshirt freshman caught 16 passes for 220 yards. Wilson is a redshirt sophomore and the son of current Philadelphia Eagles defensive line coach Chris Wilson. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018TE.php#fQx8v8HPfe50VsWs.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/SouthFlorida_logo.gif Mike Love, DE, South Florida Height: 6-4. Weight: 260. Projected 40 Time: 4.67. Projected Round (2018): 5-7. 12/16/17: Love and defensive tackle Bruce Hector are Bulls players who sources mentioned as sleeper prospects on the rise. They say that Love is going to ignite some third-day interest in the 2018 NFL Draft because he has enough size, a great motor and some quickness. Sources say that Love has disruptive spurts and has some experience standing up, so he has some scheme flexibility. In 2017, Love has 27 tackles with 11 tackles for a loss, 5.5 sacks and three passes broken up. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018DE.php#WfXHE1vJeP6S4gFz.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/SouthFlorida_logo.gif Bruce Hector, DT, South Florida Height: 6-2. Weight: 295. Projected 40 Time: 4.95. Projected Round (2018): 5-7. 12/16/17: Some team sources have graded Hector as an undrafted free agent. Other sources think Hector could be a sleeper pick who could be a good value. They think for the NFL, Hector could translate as a quick, penetrating three-technique who will contribute in the pass rush. In 2017, Hector has totaled 35 tackles with 13 tackles for a loss, seven sacks, one pass batted and one forced fumble. Hector showed his pass-rushing skills with six sacks as a junior and five as a sophomore. Interior pass-rushers are tough to find, so Hector could become a hot prospect in the months to come. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018DT.php#kEBvTkowyf40FUwC.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Virginia_logo.gif Andrew Brown, DT, Virginia Height: 6-4. Weight: 285. Projected 40 Time: 4.72. Projected Round (2018): 2-4. 12/16/17: This season, Brown has 42 tackles with nine for a loss, three sacks and a forced fumble. He has a lot of talent, but doesn't play up to his skill set consistently. 9/1/17: Brown is a sturdy defender at the point of attack and impressed last year. Scouting sources say that Brown has a first-round skill set entering the 2017 season. In 2016, he totaled six sacks, 13 tackles for a loss and 38 tackles. Brown has good size to be a base end with quickness and athleticism to get after the quarterback. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018DT.php#kEBvTkowyf40FUwC.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/USC_logo.gif Rasheem Green, DT/DE, USC Height: 6-4. Weight: 275. Projected 40 Time: 4.99. Projected Round (2018): 2-4. 12/16/17: Green has played well for the Trojans this season. He's recorded 39 tackles with 11.5 tackles for a loss, nine sacks, one forced fumble and four passes broken up on the year. As a junior, Green had 55 tackles, 6.5 sacks, four passes batted and two forced fumbles. Green has good instincts and play recognition. He uses those skills to bat a lot of passes to prevent completions downfield. The senior plays defensive tackle for USC, but in the NFL, he will have to move to defensive end unless he is able to gain some weight. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018DT.php#kEBvTkowyf40FUwC.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/FloridaState_logo.gif Matthew Thomas, ILB, Florida State Height: 6-4. Weight: 227. Projected 40 Time: 4.60. Projected Round (2018): 4-6. 12/16/17: Thomas is a fast and athletic linebacker who has a good skill set, but teams evaluators have said they are grading Thomas on the third day of the 2018 NFL Draft because of a lack of instincts and awareness. In 2017, Thomas has 85 tackles with two passes batted, two sacks, and an interception. The senior has a good athletic skill set and probably could help himself in pre-draft workouts, but his 2017 tape hasn't impressed evaluators. 9/1/17: Team sources say that Thomas has a first-round skill set and a lot of upside to develop. In 2016, he totaled 77 tackles with 11 tackles for loss, two passes batted and one forced fumble. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018ILB.php#ugUaFwwi7EiPPKJs.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Virginia_logo.gif Micah Kiser, ILB, Virginia Height: 6-2. Weight: 240. Projected 40 Time: 4.70. Projected Round (2018): 3-5. 12/16/17: Kiser has 134 tackles on the season and has been dangerous as a blitzer, notching five sacks. He also has four passes batted and 9.5 tackles for a loss. 9/1/17: Over the past two seasons, Kiser has been a tackling machine for Virginia. He had a breakout 2015 season as a sophomore where he totaled 117 tackles with 7.5 sacks, 13 tackles for a loss, three forced fumbles and two passes broken up. In 2016, he managed to increase his tackle production with 134 stops, 10 tackles for a loss, 6.5 sacks, seven passes broken up, five forced fumbles and an interception. Kiser is a tough run defender who is strong, intelligent, instinctive, and physical in the tackle box. He is not a fast linebacker with sideline-to-sideline speed, however. He also isn't a great athlete and will need a lot of development in pass coverage to be a three-down defender in the NFL. At the next level, Kiser would fit best as an inside linebacker in a 3-4 defense with a fast run-and-chase linebacker next to him. He could be limited to being more of a run-stuffing linebacker for the pro game. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018ILB.php#ugUaFwwi7EiPPKJs.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Alabama_logo.gif Shaun Dion Hamilton, ILB, Alabama Height: 6-0. Weight: 232. Projected 40 Time: 4.63. Projected Round (2018): 3-4. 12/16/17: Hamilton totaled 40 tackles with 5.5 tackles for loss and 2.5 sacks in 2017. He went down with a knee injury in early November and didn't play the rest of the season. Alabama missed Hamilton in some big games, including its loss to Auburn. 9/1/17: In 2016, Hamilton started the majority of games next to Reuben Foster. Hamilton totaled 64 tackles with nine tackles for a loss, two sacks, one forced fumble and one pass broken up on the year before tearing an ACL in the SEC Championship Game against Florida. Alabama held him out of spring practice, but Nick Saban has stated the Crimson Tide believe Hamilton will not be restricted from practicing in fall camp. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018ILB.php#ugUaFwwi7EiPPKJs.99 image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Pittsburgh_logo.gif Jordan Whitehead, S, Pittsburgh Height: 5-11. Weight: 190. Projected 40 Time: 4.45. Projected Round (2019): 2-3. 8/22/17: Whitehead is a physical safety who has good instincts. He broke out as a freshman with 108 tackles, six passes broken up, one interception and one forced fumble. In 2016, Whitehead totaled 65 tackles with two breakups and an interception while missing multiple games with an arm injury. Scouting sources like Whitehead, and if he were larger, he might be a sure-fire first-rounder. However, he also hurt his draft stock with a three-game suspension to open the 2017 season. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2019S.php#CKLIyXkTXiXw3qpY.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, Thinking Skins said: Funny you should ask that because I was looking through walterfootball at guys who may drop but may fill needs in areas on our team. There are two guys there you listed from that bulk material you quoted who are my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I do love Micah Kiser. Has lead UVAs defense for the past couple of years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just listened to JP Finlay's segment from a day ago. He said talking to people in the FO -- he learned they like Josh Allen. If so, if I recall Monk guessed awhile back that they'd like Allen. So he's correct. Finlay said he also heard they like Mason Rudolph. He doesn't think they'd trade up for a QB. (if so I doubt Allen is in play because I doubt he drops that far) And they they don't dig Lamar Jackson, Mayfield. He didn't per se theorize that they are taking a QB but if they do that's what he is hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Allen and Rudolph are my two. I think Allen could drop to 13 (I kinda hope he doesn't) because he's not a top QB. There's Darnold and Rosen who will probably go top 5. Allen is probably next on the list but its debatable. Some team may think Baker is the next Wilson or Doug Flutie, or that Lamar Jackson is the next Mariotta or Vick. which could raise their draft statuses. And we know Jackson's going to have a terrific combine and people are going to fall in love with him. I think Luke Falk, Mason Rudolph, Riley Ferguson and Kurt Benkert are going to be the QB steals of the draft because they won't have the pressure of being a top 10 pick. A lot of it will depend on where they go and how they're developed but I hope we're not reaching for a QB in the first. I do like that if we did reach we could get Allen who could be the best QB in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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