SkinsGuy Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, skinzplay said: Yeah, let's hope so.......and for Doctson, I don't know what to think as this point. Just hope the kid uses the period on IR to get in a boot and come back strong, or take whatever other measures are necessary to allow him to fulfill the potential the team thought he had. Let's hope that next year is one hell of a year for him once he's back on track. No sense in rushing him back from IR. He and Kirk will have no kind of rhythm. Roll with the receivers we've got, for now. It probably means that the Redskins might have to change the (presumed) approach they were going to take. The belief is that the Redskins were going to keep either Jackson or Garcon, and let the other one go. Now, they may have to keep both. Maybe give the one they were going to let walk a generous one-year deal as Docston's maturing as a player gets pushed back a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 hour ago, SkinsGuy said: No surprise that all the whiny, negative nancies are rushing to this thread to proclaim the selection of Docston a bust, a waste, a stupid move, blah, blah, blah. They've hated the pick from day one, and couldn't wait to come here and proclaim their brilliance in their misery, even though Docston's story is far from finished yet. You think that because he is now a Washington Redskin, they would support Docston. Sounds rational. Instead, they gloat at his unfortunate injury, and show him as much support as they showed guys like Kirk Cousins, Trent Murphy, and Matt Jones when they first started out. Well, I say let the negative whiners do their little tawdry little dance of victory. Docston will be back next season, and I'll be excited to see him play. The "injury" is pain, correct? I'm not questioning his desire, but when it's planting season here on the farm I don't have time for pain. According to this rant, I'm guessing you now have the proof you need to show that Scotty McGem was also against this pick. Him expressing his frustration at the circumstance only stands to further show that he didn't like Tanya Snyder making this pick. Oh well, lesson learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Anyone that had this same injury, was it closer to a sudden onset, or did it more build up slowly over time? Using what little I have heard about Doct, I would guess slow onset. I knew an Orioles farm system pitcher. I asked him how can a guy show up in camp and then have to get surgery, and he said players do all they can to mask injuries until after they sign. I don't know how correct that is, but wouldn't you if you weren't signed / drafted yet? To those that imply he couldn't have this injury before draft day, how do you know what his pain threshold is, or how severe the pain was at the combine? Players play through pain randomly all season and we as fans simply cannot tell who nor when, unless we are told. My internet conspiracy theory is that he was injured when drafted based on Scot breaking his hand. His future book: Drafted Damaged Goods; The Cardinal Sin of First's. A guy that gets injured in camp, why would a GM blow a fuse. They would all be walking in casts if that was common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 2 hours ago, zoony said: Waste of a first round pick you can get injury project hi-pos in the late rounds we also have no leverage in the Garçon and Jackson contracts now. Yay Absolute waste of a #1 pick. Should have gone DL with the pick. No shock at all with the IR designation. Damaged goods and who knows what for the future. As far as Garcon and Jackson are concerned, I would go with Jackson with his speed, but that's for McGloughan to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar1156 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 This kid might be a lost cause already. Mainly due to his toughness. He has a history of homesickness. We may have screwed the pooch on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 What a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake88 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 11 minutes ago, lavar1156 said: This kid might be a lost cause already. Mainly due to his toughness. He has a history of homesickness. We may have screwed the pooch on this one. Not to get crazy, but is he a cowboys fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertbeagle85 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I read some of these comments and I'm wondering WTF. I mean injuries happen guys. We drafted him hoping to replace Jackson or Garcon. He can still do that with a good off season next year. The guys career isn't over. There's plenty of talent on he field right now. This team needs to just keep moving forward and let's hope he can get on the field healthy next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 hour ago, desertbeagle85 said: I read some of these comments and I'm wondering WTF. I mean injuries happen guys. We drafted him hoping to replace Jackson or Garcon. He can still do that with a good off season next year. The guys career isn't over. There's plenty of talent on he field right now. This team needs to just keep moving forward and let's hope he can get on the field healthy next year. Can you blame everyone? Kid has an injury that 8+ doctors can't figure out. Personally, I think it's a desire issue which obviously is awful news. Any production we get from Doctson here on out is a bonus in my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 The problem is not that doctors cannot figure out what is going on it is that 8+ doctors cannot figure out a way to fix it quickly. Tendonitis or inflammation of the tendons is a real thing and often the only thing to stop it is to - well stop . It sounds like they were taking things easy but that might mean lots of things because keeping in game shape probably involved physiotherapy and conditioning work . I cannot imagine for a second the team would have put this much effort into a kid they thought was sandbagging or who had a lack of desire to play . Gruden would have , like so many coaches put the kid on IR from day one and moved on . History is important but you cannot run your life by it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Probably the best thing for him and the team. Get his head and body right. Remove a distraction from the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 8:49 AM, NattyBo said: Sullivan, a 32 year old vet we signed off the street, most recently of Minnesota. What are you trying to prove, is this a fandom measuring contest? I wasn't changing your point, just pointing out that Reiter is on IR, and nothing is a given. Take it easy there big fella. I was just trying to make the point that a roster spot for Doc has been wasted when it has been clear since missing the entire summer that this was a lost season for him. Reiter may not have been the best example I could have used, it may be true that Doc's spot may not have been used on him. However him being hurt in another city after he left here isn't relevent at all, had he been here he obviously would not have been involved in the play there that got him hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 12 hours ago, bowhunter said: The "injury" is pain, correct? I'm not questioning his desire, but when it's planting season here on the farm I don't have time for pain. According to this rant, I'm guessing you now have the proof you need to show that Scotty McGem was also against this pick. Him expressing his frustration at the circumstance only stands to further show that he didn't like Tanya Snyder making this pick. Oh well, lesson learned. Your silly, pathetic little rant speaks for itself. 10 hours ago, desertbeagle85 said: I read some of these comments and I'm wondering WTF. I mean injuries happen guys. We drafted him hoping to replace Jackson or Garcon. He can still do that with a good off season next year. The guys career isn't over. There's plenty of talent on he field right now. This team needs to just keep moving forward and let's hope he can get on the field healthy next year. Don't worry, dude. I'm preserving this thread for all the draft geniuses coming on it and declaring Docston a bust, a failure, and that his career is over. I'll be sure to resurrect it when Docston is tearing it up for the Redskins next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 This thread is so much worse than losing our 1rst rounder this year and I hope he comes back in better shape than this discussion probably will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 It's most disappointing because we went multiple years without having the impact of new 1st round picks. Then we drafted a stud in Scherff and it's been huge. Now our next 1st rounder isn't contributing, and it's frustrating whether we needed his contribution year one or not. It's just a bad feeling marring the general positivity most of us feel about this team. Just bad luck. I'm not saying he can't still become a good player for us. But I do regret even more that the Colts stole Ryan Kelly from us, yes. Imagine being able to shift Long over to LG and have Kelly play Center? Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I have a hard time believing this wasn't an issue when we drafted him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: This thread is so much worse than losing our 1rst rounder this year and I hope he comes back in better shape than this discussion probably will. My title stands, it's still a curious case. No reason to close the door yet, but not going to surprised either way based on known facts and overall history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Might be biggest 1st rd bust since we took Andre Johnson in the 90s. If they didn't find any physical damage, why didn't he suck it up and play? You would think a Scot "football player" would do that. Seems like Cooley was on to something when he evaluated the kid in OTAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 12 hours ago, Hail2theSkins24 said: Can you blame everyone? Kid has an injury that 8+ doctors can't figure out. Personally, I think it's a desire issue which obviously is awful news. Any production we get from Doctson here on out is a bonus in my mind Out of all the really bad takes, this has to be the worst narrative of all. People really need to get off this absolute garbage that it's a lack of desire. Anyone believing clearly has no idea what it takes to go from walk-on athlete to a starter at a major university, get on scholarship, make All-American, and then become an NFL 1st rd draft pick. The hard work, dedication, and resiliency is unreal. And you question this guys desire? Unreal. Not sure why it is so hard for people to understand that **** happens! He has soreness in a part of his body that is critical to him doing his job! If you can't plant your foot or run full speed you can't be a WR! He has tried to play through as some would suggest. He can't. And he risks hurting it more and making it permanent. Putting him on IR is the best thing for him and the team. He may never work out. The injury may end his career before it starts. But the narrative has to be it's very unfortunate that it happened to such a hard working and gifted young man, not the ridiculous notion that he lacked desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Cooley questioned his desire before he laid down with the injury that doesn't show up on any scans. I question his desire and his integrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: This thread is so much worse than losing our 1rst rounder this year and I hope he comes back in better shape than this discussion probably will. Could not agree more. People are going to believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. No sense in trying to reason with them. I tried but I am done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Where are the facts that he risks further injury playing on it? The only specific info we have is that multiple scans didn't even find micro tears and suddenly the other foot has the same phantom injury. The only thing he has done as a Redskin is is have Cooley question his love of football and going on IR based on an "injury" that no expert was able to find any tangible evidence as to the cause. In fact he shocked the coaching staff by not suiting up week 3. Questioning his desire and integrity is beyond reasonable based on the set of facts we have. Maybe if Scot had punched the kid instead of the wall, it would have knocked some sense into him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 So...what is the theory for you yahoos. That he all of a sudden doesn't like football and doesn't want to play, so he's just pretending he's got an owie? Lunatics, all of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: So...what is the theory for you yahoos. That he all of a sudden doesn't like football and doesn't want to play, so he's just pretending he's got an owie? Lunatics, all of you. Same exact thing happened with Andre Johnson out of Penn State in 96 or 97. We drafted him as the left tackle to replace Jim Lachey in first round and we cut him after 1 year. That was a Casserly pick and not Vinny. Maybe the kid is happy with the deal he has, banks a few million and walks without taking any NFL hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanskins Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 22 hours ago, Renegade7 said: Question: Is this season-ending IR, or temporary holding IR? not necessarily season ending...could be back for last 2 weeks and playoffs...sorta like Litch last year...I could b wrong 21 hours ago, goskins10 said: LOL I am in Asia cool...where in Asia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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