zoony Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't the reason the SEAL team blew up the lost helicopter is so that no one would see what it looked like or get a look at the technology? Don't the pictures of the copter kind of defeat the purpose in a way? The "stealth" helicopter technology is BS. There is no such thing. This is leaked so the Pakistani authority doesn't lose face. They knew Americans were in their country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 When does it become not OK to kill him? Not sure what you're getting at here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardi gras skin Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Not sure what you're getting at here. You're saying it doesn't matter whether or not Bin Laden was a threat, the Seals had the right to kill him because he deserved killing. I'm asking, does that same line of thinking extends past the initial assault on the Bin Laden's compound? For instance, say a young Seal gets Bin Laden back in the copter they take off...and then they decide to kill him. Is that still ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 You're saying it doesn't matter whether or not Bin Laden was a threat, the Seals had the right to kill him because he deserved killing. I'm asking, does that same line of thinking extends past the initial assault on the Bin Laden's compound? For instance, say a young Seal gets Bin Laden back in the copter they take off...and then they decide to kill him. Is that still ok? What does that have to do with my point at all? Strawman argument, if you ask me. He was killed in his compound. In a raid. Any "if" statements in this particular case are 100% strawman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardi gras skin Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 What does that have to do with my point at all?Strawman argument, if you ask me. He was killed in his compound. In a raid. Any "if" statements in this particular case are 100% strawman. I haven't argued anything yet I've only asked a question. But good for you, seeing where your line of thinking leads and wisely avoiding the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Death row inmates have presumably been given due process. Maybe that's the argument - although I don't agree with it. That he wasn't "tried" or given due process before being sentenced to death and executed. Frankly, I think his statements taking credit for 911 are enough for me, but legal scholars could possibly argue that that isn't proof enough to convict. Most of that argument goes out the window if you view OBL as an enemy combatant. In that case, its just war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I haven't argued anything yet I've only asked a question. But good for you, seeing where your line of thinking leads and wisely avoiding the question. Actually, I didn't tell you anything to do with my line of thinking. You assume you know it. Just as I assumed I knew where you were going with it. And I'm still pretty sure I'm accurate. Death row inmates have presumably been given due process. Maybe that's the argument - although I don't agree with it. That he wasn't "tried" or given due process before being sentenced to death and executed. Frankly, I think his statements taking credit for 911 are enough for me, but legal scholars could possibly argue that that isn't proof enough to convict. Most of that argument goes out the window if you view OBL as an enemy combatant. In that case, its just war. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 http://www.newser.com/story/117871/dutch-duo-report-obama-to-cops-for-osama-murder.html Dutch Duo Report Obama to Cops for Osama 'Murder' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 http://www.newser.com/story/117871/dutch-duo-report-obama-to-cops-for-osama-murder.html Dutch Duo Report Obama to Cops for Osama 'Murder' They probably were high when they made the claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 THE HUNT Chapter 1: Cash in a Rubbermaid tub by Peter Finn, Ian Shapira and Marc Fisher, May 6, 2011 Less than a month after the Sept. 11 attacks, U.S. bombers began hitting Afghanistan, hoping to bring down the Taliban government for giving al-Qaeda sanctuary. On the ground, the hunt for bin Laden was also underway. A few dozen U.S. paramilitary troops, dressed as Afghans in beards and loose robes and accompanied by hired Afghan fighters, took up the chase. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/projects/osama-hunt/cash-in-rubbermaid-tub.html ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RansomthePasserby Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Durka, durka, Mohammed Jihaaaad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/05/eveningnews/main20060229.shtml New bin Laden intel includes train attack plots As has been widely reported, the Navy SEALs that killed Osama bin Laden also took computer files, flash drives, DVDs and documents from the compound where he lived. CBS News correspondent Bob Orr reports that some recently leaked details of the contents of those files show that show that bin Laden desperately wanted another 9/11, and the next target could have been trains in the United States. A Homeland Security intelligence warning sent to law enforcement officials around the country says as that of February 2010, al Qaeda was considering tampering with an unspecified U.S. rail track so that a train would fall off the track at a valley or a bridge. The world never saw Osama bin Laden after a videotaped appearance in September 200. Now, however, documents grabbed from his compound reveal that to the very end, bin Laden was still at the core of al Qaeda's operations, and dreaming of new attacks against America. CBS News has learned that memos recovered from bin Laden's lair show the al Qaeda leader was thinking big. The memos reference potential attacks against major American cities - New York, Washington, Chicago and Los Angeles. Sources say the writings suggest striking on important specific dates like July Fourth, Septh 11 and New Year's. The information is interesting to analysts, because it may suggest a subtle shift in terror planning. Historically, al Qaeda has attacked when it's ready, not necessarily on holidays and anniversaries. Sources say the memos do not indicate the potential plots are "operational." Instead, they seem to represent an "al Qaeda wish list," loose aspirational outlines for strikes the terror group hoped to launch. An intelligence source said that there were also drafts of speeches found in the intel haul. Although there was no real indication that bin Laden was in a command and control posture for al Qaeda, he was believed to be getting and giving information and being kept in the loop; the feeling is that the terror network's operations are being run out of Pakistan. There was also data on financial transactions confiscated and analysts and investigators are trying to follow the trails, looking to further develop linkage to supporters pertaining to fundraising, cash flow, and other networks feeding into al Qaeda. CIA analysts will try to develop the source of his funding and people responsible for fund raising. The memos do not mention any particular mode or method for potential attacks. Additionally, it's not at all clear if any assignments had been passed out to terror operatives. No proof of any imminent plot has been uncovered, but one official said we have an unprecedented window into bin Laden's world, and new insights into the broad al Qaeda network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70th Week Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 So, when they caught the Colorado construction worker last year IN PAKISTAN trying to get the reward money and kill bin laden....what did he know that no one else knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinscountry Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/projects/osama-hunt/cash-in-rubbermaid-tub.html ?? Thank you for the link to the article. Just got done reading it. It was an interesting read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Obama has balls back to back attacks on Sept 11th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Al Qaeda has confirmed the killing. Sadly, many Americans will believe now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 After the information was relayed to Obama, he turned to his advisers and said: “We donated a $60 million helicopter to this operation. Could we not afford to buy a tape measure?” How much does a normal Blackhawk cost? The legend of Stealth Copter grows. source for this Obama comment was from the WaPo article that was with the photo from Team America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 How much does a normal Blackhawk cost? The legend of Stealth Copter grows. A Pave Hawk, which is the helicopter SEALs often use, runs about $15M. I can't imagine the "stealth modifications" to a Pave Hawk would run $45M. If the downed helicopter cost $60M, we're not talking about a tricked out Pave Hawk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufumonk Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 The "stealth" helicopter technology is BS. There is no such thing.This is leaked so the Pakistani authority doesn't lose face. They knew Americans were in their country. Have you seen what the DoD's budget for Rotor Design looks like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 A lot of videos from the compound are released now. DoD had a briefing with the media. NO cameras or anthing were allowed... but all the reporters had their pictures taken in the briefing room. THe videos CNN are running are quite candid looks into bin ladens life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/AJELive Videos released by US show bin Laden in his hideout, watching news coverage of himself on TV - AP 22 minutes ago Intelligence cache shows bin Laden was in strategic and operational control of al-Qaeda, says US intelligence official - (Reuters) 13 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/REUTERSFLASH US releases five video clips of bin Laden taken from compound, mainly showing him rehearsing taped remarks- US official 11 minutes ago ---------- Post added May-7th-2011 at 01:28 PM ---------- http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/05/20115717832650859.html Pentagon releases 'bin Laden tapes' Videos mainly show Osama bin Laden rehearsing taped remarks, but also show him watching himself on TV. Last Modified: 07 May 2011 17:14 This seems like a pretty smart move to me. Show him there, but don't show him dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Seems like the tin foil hats will come out now that tapes are being released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 SHF....I just had a debate with 2 of my paki friends....they scare the **** out of me. they believed every word of that video.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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