grhqofb5 Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 They are ****ing terrorists, how exactly do they not pose a threat? THEY ARE ****ING TERRORISTS!!! To be completely honest waterboarding isn't enough, we need to be doing some truly heinous **** to KSM, the POS was intimately involved in 9/11, **** him.I simply don't get this, how exactly can one be a terrorist and NOT pose a threat? To clarity my stance on Bid Laden (and KSM for that matter), I don't believe in torture for the sake of torture. However, in limited cases such as these, if any information can be obtained through these means (whether accurate or inaccurate, hard to necessarily make that call at the time), then it should be done. If there comes a time when nothing further can be obtained, go ahead and end it, and dump the body in the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaw Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 You believe Khalid Shaikh Mohammed posed a threat while in CIA custody? I don't. Terrorists always pose a threat in custody or not. Al Qa'ida already tried the whole kidnapping Americans and attempt to trade for KSM, which obviously didn't work out. If released in the wild KSM would undoubtedly attempt to make America pay for his incarceration. So, yes, KSM poses a threat in custody and I would like nothing better than to read that he hung himself in his cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Look at this still image, from a video found at Osama's compound: Bin Laden had THREE wives living with him, and he couldn't get ONE of them to iron the ****ing sheet before taping??? Fail Osama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Total fail Osama...total fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostyj Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Posted in the Own3d thread too, but it's more fiting here. Barack Obama's REAL Speech On Bin Laden http://www.break.com/index/barack-ob...-laden-2055230 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I wonder if he used Just for Men or was more of a Grecian guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2011/05/10/bin_laden_assault_team_was_prepared_to_fight_pakistani_forces/ Bin Laden assault team was prepared to fight Pakistani forcesPresident Obama insisted that the assault force hunting down Osama bin Laden last week be large enough to fight its way out of Pakistan if confronted by hostile local police officers and troops, senior administration and military officials said yesterday. In revealing additional details about planning for the mission, senior officials also said that two teams of specialists were on standby: one to bury bin Laden if he was killed, and a second composed of lawyers, interrogators, and translators in case he was captured alive. That team was set to meet aboard a Navy ship, most likely the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson in the North Arabian Sea. Obama’s decision to increase the size of the force sent into Pakistan shows that he was willing to risk a military confrontation with a close ally in order to capture or kill the leader of Al Qaeda. Such a fight would have set off an even larger breach with the Pakistanis than has taken place since officials in Islamabad learned that helicopters filled with members of a Navy SEALs team had flown into one of their cities and burst into a compound where bin Laden was hiding. One senior Obama administration official, pressed on the rules of engagement for one of the riskiest clandestine operations attempted by the CIA and the military’s Joint Special Operations Command in many years, said: “Their instructions were to avoid any confrontation if at all possible. But if they had to return fire to get out, they were authorized to do it.’’ The planning also illustrates how little the administration trusted the Pakistanis as they set up their operation. They also rejected a proposal to bring the Pakistanis in on the mission. Under the original plan, two assault helicopters were going to stay on the Afghanistan side of the border, waiting for a call if they were needed. But the aircraft would have been about 90 minutes away from the bin Laden compound. About 10 days before the raid, Obama reviewed the plans and pressed his commanders as to whether they were bringing along enough forces to fight their way out if the Pakistanis arrived on the scene and attempted to interfere with the operation. That resulted in the decision to send two more helicopters carrying additional troops. These followed the two lead Black Hawk helicopters that carried the actual assault team. Although there was no confrontation with the Pakistanis, one of those backup helicopters was ultimately brought in to the scene of the raid when a Black Hawk was damaged while making a hard landing. “Some people may have assumed we could talk our way out a jam, but given our difficult relationship with Pakistan right now, the president did not want to leave anything to chance,’’ said one senior administration official, who like others would not be quoted by name in describing details of the secret mission. “He wanted extra forces if they were necessary.’’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Talk about ballsy. I don't know how anyone, including those that hate his politics, can NOT be impressed with Obama's personal handling of the planning/details, and decision-making part of the process for this raid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Wow. And the idea that this was the ballsiest foreign policy/nation security decision since the Cuban Missle Crisis gains more traction. This isn't Panama or Grenada. This is a nuclear power with a massive population bordering a country we're fighting a war in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Talk about ballsy.I don't know how anyone, including those that hate his politics, can NOT be impressed with Obama's personal handling of the planning/details, and decision-making part of the process for this raid. As much as I dont like Obama....the more I hear about stuff like that the more I applaud him. Great decision making....that's a leader and what I've been looking for from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 As much as I dont like Obama....the more I hear about stuff like that the more I applaud him. Great decision making....that's a leader and what I've been looking for from him. Is that the reason why you took down that sig you've had for the past 3 years+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Talk about ballsy.I don't know how anyone, including those that hate his politics, can NOT be impressed with Obama's personal handling of the planning/details, and decision-making part of the process for this raid. I actually think " the call " was pretty obvious. Who wouldn't send in back-up? I think most Presidents put in the same situation, would have done the same things. To insinuate Obama did something that most people in his position wouldn't do, is ridiculous in my opinion. I applaud Obama for taking out Osama and the mission was executed well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I actually think " the call " was pretty obvious. Who wouldn't send in back-up? I think most Presidents put in the same situation, would have done the same things. To insinuate Obama did something that most people in his position wouldn't do, is ridiculous in my opinion.I applaud Obama for taking out Osama and the mission was executed well. What did we do when he bombed the embassies in Africa? What happened when we had him cornered at Tora Bora? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 What did we do when he bombed the embassies in Africa? What happened when we had him cornered at Tora Bora? Did we know precisely what cave he was in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Did we know precisely what cave he was in? They were like 2,000 yards from him according to reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I actually think " the call " was pretty obvious. Who wouldn't send in back-up? I think most Presidents put in the same situation, would have done the same things. To insinuate Obama did something that most people in his position wouldn't do, is ridiculous in my opinion. I don't think that's quite true. Remember, our intelligence agencies concluded there was just a 50-50 chance Osama was in the house. If we had launched a raid against the house, Osama wasn't there, and we lost troops in the raid and pissed off the Pakistanis in the process, Obama might might have taken a lot of flak. Or, if Osama was there and the raid went awry a la Operation Eagle Claw, Obama might have taken a lot of flak. People would have argued that we should have just shoved a JDAM up Osama's butt. ---------- Post added May-10th-2011 at 07:52 PM ---------- Did we know precisely what cave he was in? As I pointed out, we didn't know for certain Osama was in the compound in Abbottabad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Did we know precisely what cave he was in? Nope but we had exponentially more personel to figure it out. Look, we had two presidents with opportunities to kill him. One threw missles in his general vicinity and one outsourced the operation (edit: and then announced that he didn't care about Osama anymore). So no, we don't know that any president would've made the same decision as Obama here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I don't think that's quite true. Remember, our intelligence agencies concluded there was just a 50-50 chance Osama was in the house. If we had launched a raid against the house, Osama wasn't there, and we lost troops in the raid and pissed off the Pakistanis in the process, Obama might might have taken a lot of flak. Or, if Osama was there and the raid went awry a la Operation Eagle Claw, Obama might have taken a lot of flak. People would have argued that we should have just shoved a JDAM up Osama's butt.---------- Post added May-10th-2011 at 07:52 PM ---------- As I pointed out, we didn't know for certain Osama was in the compound in Abbottabad. In a BBC interview, Mr Bashir said Mr Panetta was entitled to his views but that his country had co-operated extensively with the US. He said the compound in Abbottabad where Bin Laden was shot dead had been identified as suspicious some time ago by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). But it took the greater resources of the CIA to determine that it was the al-Qaeda leader's hiding place. "Most of these things that have happened in terms of global anti-terror, Pakistan has played a pivotal role," said Mr Bashir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Is that the reason why you took down that sig you've had for the past 3 years+? nah, I just wanted to keep it real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 In a BBC interview, Mr Bashir said Mr Panetta was entitled to his views but that his country had co-operated extensively with the US.He said the compound in Abbottabad where Bin Laden was shot dead had been identified as suspicious some time ago by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). But it took the greater resources of the CIA to determine that it was the al-Qaeda leader's hiding place. "Most of these things that have happened in terms of global anti-terror, Pakistan has played a pivotal role," said Mr Bashir How does that respond to my points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 How does that respond to my points? "We weren't certain in August 2010 that bin Laden was there," the senior U.S. intelligence official said. "Earlier this year, our confidence level grew much higher." That confidence grew in large part because analysts monitored the compound so closely that they came to know its daily rhythms and the identities of its residents. Analysts concluded the compound was built to hide "someone of significance," and that a third family was living on the floors above the courier and his brother. It remains unclear when bin Laden first arrived, but officials said it appears the al-Qaida leader rarely — if ever — ventured outside. Indeed, U.S. officials said the timing of the raid was not driven by worry that bin Laden was about to leave, but by the accumulation of confidence that their intelligence on his location was dead on ---------- Post added May-11th-2011 at 02:22 AM ---------- Nope but we had exponentially more personel to figure it out.Look, we had two presidents with opportunities to kill him. One threw missles in his general vicinity and one outsourced the operation (edit: and then announced that he didn't care about Osama anymore). So no, we don't know that any president would've made the same decision as Obama here. Did either one know precisely what building he was in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Did either one know precisely what building he was in? No, they didn't. And that's what makes what Obama did so ballsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 No, they didn't.And that's what makes what Obama did so ballsy. Ballsy compared to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Ballsy compared to what? Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Nevermind. That's what I thought. ---------- Post added May-11th-2011 at 02:58 AM ---------- Ballsiest move ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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