The Consigliere Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/13/2024 at 6:52 AM, HTTRDynasty said: Ben Johnson and Drake Maye in 2024? I see no chance. We have to rebuild everything. The cupboard is largely bare from utterly miserable drafts in '20, '21, '22 and '23, and that's after the team already had a bottom five roster heading into 2000 to begin with. The team should end on a two offseason build to get us in position to be 9-8 or better during the '26 season and hopefully double digit wins by '27, and that's if we do well/get lucky with the next 3 offseasons. We are liable to make mistakes, how many and how many big ones there are will tell the tale. The Texans weren't a disaster, they were a playoff team that went sidways because of the Watson Sex scandal and bottomed out when they went from top 5 quarterbacking to bottom 5 quarterbacking. We aren't that. Our secondary is probably what a D? Our linebackers are probably an F or D- Our front four went from a B+/A- before the season to a C, and it's an old unit in its area of strength. Our OL is a D at best Our playmakers are a C at best Our QB room is a C- to a D at best with Brissett leaving and only Howell in place. The team will need to rebuild half or more of the OL, all the DL, all the LB's, most of the secondary, and replace all the playmakers by '26. It's a total disaster. Some may argue that's reason to trade down, but it isn't, we have our shot now, we take it, we build around the OL pieces in place (Cosmi, Stromberg). 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 hours ago, Est.1974 said: Panthers HC role would suit Bieniemy. Makes sense. Carolina is a place mediocre coaches go to fail. Sounds about right. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I have zero desire to hire Bieniemy as our HC, but I think many of our fans underestimate just how much our "weapons" on offense stink. Can't turn trash into a steak. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 9 minutes ago, JSSkinz said: The Rapoports and Shefters of the world probably spend this part of the season giving back to those who help them during the season so we should probably take everything with a grain of salt, there could be some calculated fluff in some of these reports. Schefter typically tweets or announces stuff after having paid for the info (cash, tickets to various events, trips, etc). Rapoport is cosy with lots coaches (and their agents). Info he tweets is usually out there for a reason, and it ain't just to inform a curious public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 11 minutes ago, JSSkinz said: The Rapoports and Shefters of the world probably spend this part of the season giving back to those who help them during the season so we should probably take everything with a grain of salt, there could be some calculated fluff in some of these reports. I suspect a lot of the leaks they get are from agents trying to drum up the interest level for their clients. That's why it's so hard to tell what's real and what's not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profusion Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 17 minutes ago, skinzplay said: Schefter typically tweets or announces stuff after having paid for the info (cash, tickets to various events, trips, etc). Rapoport is cosy with lots coaches (and their agents). Info he tweets is usually out there for a reason, and it ain't just to inform a curious public Since Schefter works for a league broadcast partner, I've long assumed he's got the league office feeding him stuff. They benefit from breathless coverage of comings and goings and behind-the-scenes stuff. In other words, he doesn't exactly have to be Woodward and Bernstein to get big scoops; he just has to be discrete and dish out the info he's told to. I could be wrong, I guess... Edited January 14 by profusion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 You're right @profusion, League sources do prime the pump......but he does have his own little operation for getting info. Ask Jason Pierre-Paul and the medical staff who lost their jobs for selling JPP's records to Schefter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazedSkinsfan Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 49 minutes ago, The Consigliere said: I see no chance. We have to rebuild everything. The cupboard is largely bare from utterly miserable drafts in '20, '21, '22 and '23, and that's after the team already had a bottom five roster heading into 2000 to begin with. The team should end on a two offseason build to get us in position to be 9-8 or better during the '26 season and hopefully double digit wins by '27, and that's if we do well/get lucky with the next 3 offseasons. We are liable to make mistakes, how many and how many big ones there are will tell the tale. The Texans weren't a disaster, they were a playoff team that went sidways because of the Watson Sex scandal and bottomed out when they went from top 5 quarterbacking to bottom 5 quarterbacking. We aren't that. Our secondary is probably what a D? Our linebackers are probably an F or D- Our front four went from a B+/A- before the season to a C, and it's an old unit in its area of strength. Our OL is a D at best Our playmakers are a C at best Our QB room is a C- to a D at best with Brissett leaving and only Howell in place. The team will need to rebuild half or more of the OL, all the DL, all the LB's, most of the secondary, and replace all the playmakers by '26. It's a total disaster. Some may argue that's reason to trade down, but it isn't, we have our shot now, we take it, we build around the OL pieces in place (Cosmi, Stromberg). Like the saying goes the truth hurts. Every bit of what you wrote is nothing but truth. Ron's roster building didn't do us any favors. Hopefully we can build this roster enough to see remarkable improvement in 24, then hopefully in 25 we can add the pieces to make a serious run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 51 minutes ago, spjunkies said: I have zero desire to hire Bieniemy as our HC, but I think many of our fans underestimate just how much our "weapons" on offense stink. Can't turn trash into a steak. That would be even more of an indictment on EB’s potential as a playcaller, leaning into our weaknesses time after time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 6 minutes ago, Conn said: That would be even more of an indictment on EB’s potential as a playcaller, leaning into our weaknesses time after time He was likely grossed out by the potential of our run game and offensive line so chose to die on Sam's shoulder. His biggest mistake was deciding to be Ron's OC in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhead36 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, The Consigliere said: I see no chance. We have to rebuild everything. The cupboard is largely bare from utterly miserable drafts in '20, '21, '22 and '23, and that's after the team already had a bottom five roster heading into 2000 to begin with. The team should end on a two offseason build to get us in position to be 9-8 or better during the '26 season and hopefully double digit wins by '27, and that's if we do well/get lucky with the next 3 offseasons. We are liable to make mistakes, how many and how many big ones there are will tell the tale. The Texans weren't a disaster, they were a playoff team that went sidways because of the Watson Sex scandal and bottomed out when they went from top 5 quarterbacking to bottom 5 quarterbacking. We aren't that. Our secondary is probably what a D? Our linebackers are probably an F or D- Our front four went from a B+/A- before the season to a C, and it's an old unit in its area of strength. Our OL is a D at best Our playmakers are a C at best Our QB room is a C- to a D at best with Brissett leaving and only Howell in place. The team will need to rebuild half or more of the OL, all the DL, all the LB's, most of the secondary, and replace all the playmakers by '26. It's a total disaster. Some may argue that's reason to trade down, but it isn't, we have our shot now, we take it, we build around the OL pieces in place (Cosmi, Stromberg). You coulda said the same thing last year about Houston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, Andre The Giant said: Could get some good intel in this interview on how defenses stop our offense this year and what type of offense he would think it would be harder for his defensive scheme to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNatsFan Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I'm confused by reporters "reporting", and by people reacting to the reports, that any of the 7 people that the Commanders have publicly requested interviews with are a top candidate. I believe they've publicly requested interviews with seven people at this point. That qualifies each of them as a top candidate. Accurate, but old news at this point. Pretending that it is something more, without any more information than the interview request is bush league. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searchingforaqb Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Consigliere said: I see no chance. We have to rebuild everything. The cupboard is largely bare from utterly miserable drafts in '20, '21, '22 and '23, and that's after the team already had a bottom five roster heading into 2000 to begin with. The team should end on a two offseason build to get us in position to be 9-8 or better during the '26 season and hopefully double digit wins by '27, and that's if we do well/get lucky with the next 3 offseasons. We are liable to make mistakes, how many and how many big ones there are will tell the tale. The Texans weren't a disaster, they were a playoff team that went sidways because of the Watson Sex scandal and bottomed out when they went from top 5 quarterbacking to bottom 5 quarterbacking. We aren't that. Our secondary is probably what a D? Our linebackers are probably an F or D- Our front four went from a B+/A- before the season to a C, and it's an old unit in its area of strength. Our OL is a D at best Our playmakers are a C at best Our QB room is a C- to a D at best with Brissett leaving and only Howell in place. The team will need to rebuild half or more of the OL, all the DL, all the LB's, most of the secondary, and replace all the playmakers by '26. It's a total disaster. Some may argue that's reason to trade down, but it isn't, we have our shot now, we take it, we build around the OL pieces in place (Cosmi, Stromberg). this is exactly right and we should not be expecting such a leap in one year. Texans we're in much better shape and did really well in FA (Schultz etc) texans also got a generational QB. Compare Stroud to other recent 1/2 overall picks in last 10 years, most top 1/2 qb picks are average or scrubs Winston, Mariota, Goff, Wentz, Murray, Bryce Young, Mayfield, trubisky (lol), Zach Wilson Only Lawrence and Burrow were good to excellent and capable of turning around a franchise we need a very good QB coupled with improvements at all levels of the defense plus o line and TE, and a HC to get the best out of them Edited January 14 by Searchingforaqb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 When you hear certain D Coaches as hc candidate, you have to wonder, who would they bring as OC? Dan Quinn worked with kellen moore In Dallas. Whom' I think San Diego Fired. So who would the other DCs bring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I was hoping to hear some front office restructuring news this weekend be it scouts hired or anything else. I know we can zoom with Johnson and Slowik on Tuesday or is that in person? Thought in person was either before champ games or lull between those and SB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAskins Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I know this is just second guessing but if Adam Peters was our GM last year I can't imagine Chris Paul, Saahdiq Charles, Cody Barton,Emmanuel Forbes, Camaron Cheeseman, Andrew Wylie among others would have been on our team. Having a real GM and talent evaluator is going to make a huge difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 So, about Dan Quinn… 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, HTTRDynasty said: So, about Dan Quinn… I was just getting ready to post this but it entered my mind when the score was 14-0. LOL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, HTTRDynasty said: So, about Dan Quinn… Was thinking the same thing. So far his 2nd half adjustments aren't adjusting 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverskins Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: So, about Dan Quinn… Apparently doesn't know how call defense against the run 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Maybe Joe Barry and Dan Quinn changed bodies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Jerrah needs to fire McCarthy and hire Dan Quinn, so he doesn't get away from him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhd24 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 So…. Belicheck to Dallas? I could also see Vrabel there as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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