The Official 2023 ES Free Agency Thread... available until Free Agency 2024 begins

[Bifflog]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Heck a plugged in national reporter said that Chase planned to play the tag game and then hit FA ala Scherff, Kirk.  I am sick of that.  Got something for players especially those who want to leave.

 I'd love a link for this if you have it (not questioning in the least, I just find it interesting and wanted to see it.  Might make me feel better :))

[method man]

2 minutes ago, Bifflog said:

 I'd love a link for this if you have it (not questioning in the least, I just find it interesting and wanted to see it.  Might make me feel better :))

I think it is obvious from what Keim is reporting that he wishes he could play the tag game but he is not going to get to play it anywhere. The guy will be signing 1 and 2 year deals for Clowney and Fowler money the rest of his career

[skinsfan66]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I agree with most of this.

 

Average roster.  

 

QB -- average -- I think climbing -- clearly he's the wildcard to the whole off season.  Starting anew at QB verus building around Howell is clearly the X factor in the off season as to long or fast rebuild.

 

RB -- average -- desperately need a speed back

 

WR - IMO good.  Dotson started off oddly slowly but looks like he's coming on.

 

TE -- below average

 

OL -- sucks.

 

D line -- above average even after yesterday

 

LB -- below average but can quickly be fixed, with one starter and one backup

 

S -- above average

 

CB -- average

 

Secondary though sucks so somehow like the D line the sum of its parts are lesser than the individuals.  Coaching?

 

As Keim mentioned part of the idea with letting the edge rushers go is to rebalance the spending.  FA -- sign 2 O lineman, edge rusher, a corner.  Yeah that's a lot but they have a lot of cap room.

 

Draft -- while I hate the idea of drafting to need.  But IMO they have no choice as to the O line.  2 premium picks on the O line.  Get a TE.  Get a game breaking fast RB.  LB.  Usually our wants don't meet the number of picks we have.  For the first time I can ever recall following the draft, we have enough picks to do it.

 

Clearly though we need someone sharp picking the groceries.  But I think that's going to happen.

 

 

Agree with above and with letting go Young and Sweat were great moves for Washington in so many ways too. I also hope they do well with other teams. The team know has the fire power to get a top-notch Coaches and Staff next year. If Ron really did make those moves yesterday he get's a thumb up from me.

Saved big cap money and helped free Agencey by letting the 2 DE's go.  They can go out hit the FA market without having to lose a Comp3 pick if you found a top FA at a need position now. Nothing but options with the picks and FA money and Cap space. Maybe a few needs get taken care of in FA. No need to break the rest of the team up just fix it, the resources are here. They can make up for last year's offseason bust. New personal doing the business this time.

[woodpecker]

Hi all. Can’t tell you how pleased I am with the last 24 hours. Picks and cap space! Yay! It’s been so long since this franchise actually made forward thinking moves. Harris so far has been exactly as advertised and I couldn’t be happier. The GM hire will be far and away the most important thing he does, and these moves are making it much more likely that he hits on a good one.

29 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah a 6th for Brissett isn't much. I'd rather just keep him. I think his veteran leadership/mentorship of Howell for another 9 games is more valuable than a super late pick.

I blame the Cardinals for this, for giving away Dobbs for a ham sandwich. Otherwise, I bet we would’ve been offered more. Personally, I would’ve taken the sixth, but your points are valid.

[Chris 44]

33 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Done more from Keim 

 

They were offered a 6th for Brissett and they turned it down 

 

He believes Harris would hire the GM first and have the GM hire the coach 

 

he thinks the franchise is in good hands. Josh very methodical not emotional like Dan. He’s impressed based on what he’s heard so far. Keim has said that multiple times 

 

Coaches are frustrated that the D line aren’t assignment sound and freelance too much, Chase is the biggest culprit of that but it’s not just him 

 

They’d unlikely get a comp pick because they likely spend in FA

 

The offer for Chase from SF was by far their best offer we’d be surprised if we heard how low the other offers were 

The impression I  got over at least the past year of Dans tenure was that he was (a) difficult to deal with and (b) difficult to get a hold of in order to approve any major decisions (the micro managing approval part) I can imagine folks within the organization were hesitant to approve a move for fear of Dans wrath. This seems so much more different under Harris in that he (or at least someone close to him) is available and will make a decision without leaving the organization in limbo. Just my impression that this is a much smoother operation already.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Chris 44

[Ball Security]

Hard to believe that a market didn’t develop for Kendall Fuller and that they didn’t pursue that.

[Going Commando]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

If they do all this, the rest is up to the football Gods.  With Dan we had no shot.  With Harris we have a shot.  

 

Harris isn't calling the plays.  He's not going to get every hire right.  But I like him because his philisophy jives with mine.  Part of the reason why I don't care how much he panders or not to Ron is not just because he didn't hire Ron.  But also because Ron is like the opposite of Harris' takes in so many ways that I can gather he'd cringe at the notion of pandering to Ron.  But still in spite of that, yesterday the more I absorb various narratives the Chase Young trade was a nod to Ron. 

 

Why would you give an owner of this team the benefit of the doubt, especially when he's been such a colossal **** up with the 76ers?  Why would you think he's going to get any of the hires this offseason right when he's never gotten a single one right with them, and he knows even less about football than basketball?  Make no mistake, the 76ers are a huge failure under his ownership.  Their abortive run is over and they will officially go back into the cellar when they finish playing out the string and face the reality that they have to deal Joel Embiid.  The second round being their high water mark is a pathetic, Wizards-esque bar.  That fanbase was told to keep buying tickets because the deal was eventually they'd be competing for championships.  They sold all of the same **** there they are trying to sell here--cutting edge analytics driven management, tanking for the future, churning through coaches and GMs to get to the best possible people.  All they did was end up with mediocrities and snake oil salesmen like Doc Rivers and Daryl Morey and achieved the same outcome as a third rate Mom and Pop franchise in the Wizards, while utterly squandering the largest bounty of high draft picks in NBA history.  All they actually achieved was a new and flashy way to sell their BS.

 

I knew people were going to try and hang yesterday's bag of **** around Ron's neck to avoid placing any accountability for mistakes on the current center of power in the franchise.  It's what the fans and media people covering the team always do.  But it's a lie.  Harris decided to get directly involved and force the FO to trade their players and he will always own this.  Save that **** for someone else gullible enough to believe it.

[gortiz]

31 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

 

I assume this is about the one tweet that had the mistake and wasn't repeated by anyone? 

lol, i don't about you but i got serious Muppets old man in the balcony vibes with that post! 

3 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

Why would you think he's going to get any of the hires this offseason right when he's never gotten a single one right with them, and he knows even less about football than basketball?

so bro, tell me again ... why don't you just bow out and find another team to root for? 

[Spaceman Spiff]

56 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said:

Breaking!!

 

Overnight we traded @Spaceman Spiffto the Bengals for a conditional 6th.  
 

Good luck in Cincy, Spifftavion!

 

**** you, it was a 7th.  

[woodpecker]

1 minute ago, Going Commando said:

 

Why would you give an owner of this team the benefit of the doubt, especially when he's been such a colossal **** up with the 76ers?  Why would you think he's going to get any of the hires this offseason right when he's never gotten a single one right with them, and he knows even less about football than basketball?  Make no mistake, the 76ers are a huge failure under his ownership.  Their abortive run is over and they will officially go back into the cellar when they finish playing out the string and face the reality that they have to deal Joel Embiid.  The second round being their high water mark is a pathetic, Wizards-esque bar.  That fanbase was told to keep buying tickets because the deal was eventually they'd be competing for championships.  They sold all of the same **** there they are trying to sell here--cutting edge analytics driven management, tanking for the future, churning through coaches and GMs to get to the best possible people.  All they did was end up with mediocrities and snake oil salesmen like Doc Rivers and Daryl Morey and achieved the same outcome as a third rate Mom and Pop franchise in the Wizards, while utterly squandering the largest bounty of high draft picks in NBA history.  All they actually achieved was a new and flashy way to sell their BS.

 

I knew people were going to try and hang yesterday's bag of **** around Ron's neck to avoid placing any accountability for mistakes on the current center of power in the franchise.  It's what the fans and media people covering the team always do.  But it's a lie.  Harris decided to get directly involved and force the FO to trade their players and he will always own this.  Save that **** for someone else gullible enough to believe it.

Dang dude. I don’t follow the NBA as closely as some, but A quick check of the results tells me the 76ers are far from being a “colossal **** up”. Sorry, he hasn’t won multiple championships there yet, but in my opinion, he is doing things the right way. Doesn’t mean it automatically works. Let’s set that aside for a second… We had Snyder for crying out loud. It can’t get worse, so why not give this guy a chance? Forward thinking roster building and analytics may not be your thing, but a lot of us think it’s the way to go.

[MartinC]

1 minute ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

**** you, it was a 7th.  

If the condition on that pick is ‘makes the occasional good point’ we are screwed. 🙂

[RandyHolt]

Can someone clarify for me the comp pick/year we would have gotten for Chase had we held him, vs what we got, a " "conditional" pick from SF? Thanks!

 

 

 

[MartinC]

Just now, RandyHolt said:

Can someone clarify for me the comp pick/year we would have gotten for Chase had we held him, vs what we got, a " "conditional" pick from SF? Thanks!

 

 

 

2025. Pick we got is 2024.

[Chris 44]

Just now, MartinC said:

2025. Pick we got it 2024.

Dont they have at least 2 3rd round comp picks IN 2024? Any idea which one of the picks we got or is that TBD?

[RandyHolt]

3 minutes ago, MartinC said:

2025. Pick we got is 2024.

 

Thanks. To confirm the trade only benefit was getting us a late 3rd a year sooner and saving money this year. Seems like Chase has very little value / no demand for him. Whats it cost to move up a year for the same pick - a 5th maybe. 

 

I thought I read comp picks round calcs were dynamic based on demand contract amount etc.

Edited November 1, 2023 by RandyHolt

[Conn]

1 hour ago, TradeTheBeal! said:

Breaking!!

 

Overnight we traded @Spaceman Spiffto the Bengals for a conditional 6th.  
 

Good luck in Cincy, Spifftavion!

We were lucky to get that, his like-to-post ratio was always misleading! Racking up stats against subpar competition 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Conn

[Llevron]

8 minutes ago, MartinC said:

If the condition on that pick is ‘makes the occasional good point’ we are screwed. 🙂

 

That's not nice lol

[MartinC]

7 minutes ago, Chris 44 said:

Dont they have at least 2 3rd round comp picks IN 2024? Any idea which one of the picks we got or is that TBD?

No idea on that. I was a bit surprised they could trade a comp pick in the first place.

4 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

That's not nice lol

I’m British - if I’m insulting you that is a compliment. Usually. 

6 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

 

Thanks. To confirm the trade only benefit was getting us a late 3rd a year sooner and saving money this year. Seems like Chase has very little value / no demand for him. Whats it cost to move up a year for the same pick - a 5th maybe. 

 

I thought I read comp picks round calcs were dynamic based on demand contract amount etc.

 We have circa $90M of cap space for 24 right now. Assumption is we will be active in free agency so chances are we wouldn’t have got any comp pick for Young anyway. 
 

Demand for Young seems low - unsurprisingly - so he probably won’t get a huge deal anyway from anyone either. So to your point any comp pick would have been likely lower than what we got from the 49ers as well.

[gortiz]

4 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

Can someone clarify for me the comp pick/year we would have gotten for Chase had we held him, vs what we got, a " "conditional" pick from SF? Thanks!

 

 

 

there is no chance we would have got comp pick.  we are going to be big spenders in the off season and that would have negated any comp pick. 

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Curious to see what the analytical approach to Free Agency will be. We will have some decent $$ to spent. We'll also need to add quite a few pieces just to be competitive. 

 

I assume we'll be losing: 

- CB Kendall Fuller (Contract expires)

- TE Logan Thomas (Cap Casualty)

- OT Charles Leno (Cap Casualty)

- OT Corn Lucas (Contract expires)

- LG Sahdiq Charles (Contract expires)

- WR Curtis Samuel (Contract expires)

- RB Antonio Gibson (Contract expires)

 

None of those guys, with the exception of maybe Fuller, is going to be a "omg what do we do" loss. But still, those are starting roles that will need to be back-filled.

 

I expect Kam Curl to be re-signed, but you never know I guess. It wouldn't shock me if we just let all of our free agents walk in the name of a fresh start. So Curl is certainly far from a sure thing to return under an extension.

 

So you go into the draft not wanting to fill holes. I suspect the analytics approach is to get some underrated but highly graded (by analytics standards) in to plug at CB, OT and RB. 

 

Then I would suspect we try to find a premier defensive piece, possibly a LB (finally), and a solid but not elite DE. Someone to come in and play the role and generate some pressure. Maybe it's a passing down pass-rush specialist for cheap. Do we go get a legit RT or LT? Not sure who will be on the market, but I can't see us not adding a premier OL in FA with all of that $$. Protect the QB asset. 

 

That sends you into the drat needing LG and another OT, plus a RB and TE most likely ... and obviously a DE and some secondary help (CB). 

 

If I had to guess how FA goes:

- Premier OL (RT?)

- High-end LB

- solid starting DE but not elite

- re-signing Kam Curl

- veteran RB for a $3-5m APY deal (market will be flooded)

- mid-level starting caliber CB

 

Then go into the draft needing OT, LG, TE, CB, DE 

 

We had a run there for a while where we specialized in getting the underrated, pre-breakout 2nd year contract FAs. I could see our new FO going after guys going into their 2nd contract who have graded well but not broken out, and hope that a few of those additions can bolster various units (OL, LB, DL). 

Edited November 1, 2023 by JamesMadisonSkins

[skinsfan66]

49 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Neither do I. But I’d bet they are already shortlisting GM candidates. 

Firing Ron would be a bonehead move right now. Let the season play out and go from there, no changes yesterday would have been different. It's kind of like the offseason has already started. Maybe Ron walks out with a better ending?

[markmills67]

How much cap did we save trading Sweat and Young? Which we can take into next season. 

[JamesMadisonSkins]

1 minute ago, markmills67 said:

How much cap did we save trading Sweat and Young? Which we can take into next season. 

 

I was wondering the same thing but my assumption right now is that we likely are on the hooks for most of their remaining 2023 contracts. 

[Chris 44]

1 minute ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Curious to see what the analytical approach to Free Agency will be. We will have some decent $$ to spent. We'll also need to add quite a few pieces just to be competitive. 

 

I assume we'll be losing: 

- CB Kendall Fuller (Contract expires)

- TE Logan Thomas (Cap Casualty)

- OT Charles Leno (Cap Casualty)

- OT Corn Lucas (Contract expires)

- LG Sahdiq Charles (Contract expires)

- WR Curtis Samuel (Contract expires)

- RB Antonio Gibson (Contract expires)

 

None of those guys, with the exception of maybe Fuller, is going to be a "omg what do we do" loss. But still, those are starting roles that will need to be back-filled.

 

I expect Kam Curl to be re-signed, but you never know I guess. It wouldn't shock me if we just let all of our free agents walk in the name of a fresh start. So Curl is certainly far from a sure thing to return under an extension.

 

So you go into the draft not wanting to fill holes. I suspect the analytics approach is to get some underrated but highly graded (by analytics standards) in to plug at CB, OT and RB. 

 

Then I would suspect we try to find a premier defensive piece, possibly a LB (finally), and a solid but not elite DE. Someone to come in and play the role and generate some pressure. Maybe it's a passing down pass-rush specialist for cheap. Do we go get a legit RT or LT? Not sure who will be on the market, but I can't see us not adding a premier OL in FA with all of that $$. Protect the QB asset. 

 

That sends you into the drat needing LG and another OT, plus a RB and TE most likely ... and obviously a DE and some secondary help (CB). 

 

If I had to guess how FA goes:

- Premier OL (RT?)

- High-end LB

- solid starting DE but not elite

- re-signing Kam Curl

- veteran RB for a $3-5m APY deal (market will be flooded)

- mid-level starting caliber CB

 

Then go into the draft needing OT, LG, TE, CB, DE 

Getting a "Premier" OL in FA is going to be very pricey, granted we may have the cap room, but Im thinking draft may be the way to go?

[goskins10]

14 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Just listened to Keim on Hoffman’s show. 
 

Sweats offer was too good to refuse.

 

They were all on board for trading Chase. The coaching staff didn’t feel the chemistry with the unit worked and Chase was part of that. They don’t think this team will be worse with Chase gone.

 

Hoffman asked Keim if they see it as addition by subtraction and Keim said you can read it between the lines that way.

 

So in short the coaches had no consternation about trading Chase.

 

Keim also suggested that they didn’t think Chase wanted back either so they’d eventually lose him 

 

 

Fair statement about Chase maybe, but should we trust these coaches for thier opinion on a player? I put it more on the coaches that they can't make the personalities work than the players. That is thier job. Don't get me wrong, I think trading both Sweat and Young were good moves. But not because the coaches didn't think Young played nice with others. That to me is making excuses for not doing your job. 

 

Will be interesting to see how thery build this team when the new FO and coaching staff comes in. They are loading up on resources which is the right thing to do.