Game Day Thread - Mike McCarthy's Big Dumb Mouth vs The Legend of Taylor Heinicke

[Redwards]

3 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

Not really. We’d gotten away with a lot of luck the last 4 weeks. A lot of Taylor throws should have been intercepted and weren’t, this was karma for those.

Oh, I hear you, and definitely agree!  But my point was that this team has played a ton of terrible football over the last two years.  If they haven't learned that rudimentary point by now then they never will.

 

But this team never seems to learn any lasting lessons.  Regardless of the players or coaching staff, it's like every offseason the blackboard of "lessons learned" and "valuable experiences" is wiped totally clean.  And the next year we have to spend the majority of the year learning the same lessons over again....

[NoCalMike]

4 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Did he? I didn’t see Allen do anything even slightly resembling better than Heinicke. But we all see what we want to, I guess. 
 

Well, that pass to Carter WAS beautiful and Heinicke doesn’t do that. So I guess there’s one thing.

 

I don't think Kyle Allen is really known for his arm strength either, but the toss to Carter alone that should have been caught are the type of throws you have to be willing to make against man coverage.  They have to be tighter and more precise.  I am not here to sing the praises of Allen or even suggest that overall he is a better option than Heinicke.  Quite frankly I have no idea what Allen can or can't do because I haven't seen him get an extended chance at the position.  All I am suggesting is that Heinicke's lack of physical ability has shown to translate onto the field even in an offense that he can otherwise perform decently in.  There are plays that are being left out on the field because of this.  

Edited December 12, 2021 by NoCalMike

[tomwvr]

7 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

It's best that they lost to the Cowboys? Yeah, you aren't going to be convincing me of that any time soon. 

Same here 

[zCommander]

Just now, TryTheBeal! said:

Who’s ready for a super-gritty, 6-7 vs 6-7 Philadelphia DEATH MATCH?!?

 

No thank you. I am going to watch the Bucs and the Bills game instead. 

[Mooka]

2 minutes ago, Burgold said:

Cams TD was called incomplete.

 

Just right there.

 

Knee in. Elbow in.

 

Those kind of catches are always called a TD. 

 

Great game though. 1 score game in the end. On to next week. 

[Captain Wiggles]

Just now, TryTheBeal! said:

Who’s ready for a super-gritty, 6-7 vs 6-7 Philadelphia DEATH MATCH?!?

 

[seamonster]

Allen made a perfect throw but that got washed away with his Matt Castle impersonation on 3rd down. Washington can't win with a quarterback that ****s the pants on 3rd down. 

[88Comrade2000]

5 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

Honestly, this game says more about the Cowboys not being at same level as the other 3 division leaders than it does about a WFT that is now 6-7 and has half their starters not even playing.  It sucks, but you can only play with the players available.

Right now Boys are 4th seed facing 5th seed Rams. If that’s how the season ends; I’d take the Rams.  If Dallas faces someone else, I still wouldn’t be comfortable if I were Dallas.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Rdskns2000

[Koolblue13]

1 minute ago, zskins said:

 

All wins and loses are on the QB. Do you not know anything about football. 

I'm unemployed and going to live in the Heinicke thread this week, while sitting on the beach in my Allen Redwolves jersey. 

[Est.1974]

Just now, markmills67 said:

Missed the drop by Carter, how bad was it and where would it have put us on field? 

Must have been a 35-40 yarder, something like that. 

[Renegade7]

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

You can pull him because he’s ineffective and banged up and jittery, though. And we’re really not a playoff team. We’re a team in the playoff hunt that has overachieved.

 

Again. If we arent pulling him during a 4 game losing streak, why pull during a bad game after a four game win streak?

[Dan T.]

4 minutes ago, KDawg said:

It doesn’t matter. He was diving and the ball wasn’t tight in his hand. When his hand came forward the ball went more up than out. That is a clear indicator of a fumble versus incomplete pass.

You’re wrong. Note the announcement said the play stands as called, not the ruling is confirmed. If that was called incomplete initially, the would have been now overturn.

[PartyPosse]

1 minute ago, Tonysoprano1 said:

Lost in the loss,, how is there ANOTHER blocked XP? Every kicker has an issue, or is it the line? Special teams coach, lease fix or leave

It looked like the hold was bad. Ball looked tilted downwards making a line drive more possible.

[Koolblue13]

Just now, clietas said:

 

Greatest mascot in all of sports

[KDawg]

Just now, NoCalMike said:

 

I don't think Kyle Allen is really known for his arm strength either, but the toss to Carter alone that should have been caught are the type of throws you have to be willing to make against man coverage.  They have to be tighter and more precise.  I am not hear to sing the praises of Allen or even suggest that overall he is a better option than Heinicke.  Quite frankly I have no idea what Allen can or can't do because I haven't seen him get an extended chance at the position.  All I am suggesting is that Heinicke's lack of physical ability has shown to translate onto the field even in an offense that he can otherwise perform decently in.  There are plays that are being left out on the field because of this.  

I give you the Allen throw but can Allen throw that TD to Sims that Heinicke did? I don’t think he gets away from the pressure to make it, as much credit as I give to Sims there.

[mistertim]

4 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Did he? I didn’t see Allen do anything even slightly resembling better than Heinicke. But we all see what we want to, I guess. 
 

Well, that pass to Carter WAS beautiful and Heinicke doesn’t do that. So I guess there’s one thing.

 

Yeah I think that post was overstating how much Allen did. However, he did also did throw a good out pass to the sideline with some really nice zip on it. Those are the throws that Heinicke struggles with due to limited arm talent.

[TradeTheBeal!]

1 minute ago, zskins said:

 

No thank you. I am going to watch the Bucs and the Bills game instead. 

Next Sunday, tho…

[London Kev]

2 minutes ago, Burgold said:

I know it doesn’t matter, but I’m glad we beat the spread. 

 

Yep, and we won the second half 20-3 (although I realise that that doesn't matter either)

[tomwvr]

1 minute ago, NoCalMike said:

 

I don't think Kyle Allen is really known for his arm strength either, but the toss to Carter alone that should have been caught are the type of throws you have to be willing to make against man coverage.  They have to be tighter and more precise.  I am not hear to sing the praises of Allen or even suggest that overall he is a better option than Heinicke.  Quite frankly I have no idea what Allen can or can't do because I haven't seen him get an extended chance at the position.  All I am suggesting is that Heinicke's lack of physical ability has shown to translate onto the field even in an offense that he can otherwise perform decently in.  There are plays that are being left out on the field because of this.  

Does Allen have a better arm - yes

does Allen have the “it” factor no

 

they both have positives and negatives. 

[Est.1974]

A pretty average Dallas team may well go 12-5. League isn’t great as cross the board. Fine margins.

[LetThePointsSoar]

4 minutes ago, Burgold said:

Cams TD was called incomplete. Our rushers broke the plane three times before refs conceded a TD. Allen’s intention was to throw, but it probably still was a fumble. Still, awful game by the refs (Sorry Jumbo) I mean they hit our punter twice. First time, no call and second was somehow not deemed roughing. 
 

Dallas was the better team. We were lousy on offense. Refs didn’t need to help. Boy, did they help. 

 

This.   I know we would have lost anyways, but why is it every time they pour on additional help just to make sure the media darlings don't get beaten? 

 

Yes, we got beaten by a better team. But yes, we got absolutely HOSED on the officiating.  Both can be (and ARE). true. 

[CommanderDOOM]

1 hour ago, NoCalMike said:

Honestly, this game says more about the Cowboys not being at same level as the other 3 division leaders than it does about a WFT that is now 6-7 and has half their starters not even playing.  It sucks, but you can only play with the players available.

 

I think it says more about the evenness in the nfl and momentum. Good coaching separates the tears..

Edited December 12, 2021 by TheShredSkinz

[DWinzit]

Just now, KDawg said:

You can’t force a QB pick, either. That’s super damaging.

They need an answer other that just TH and Allen. 

Regardless of how good TH is, he has injury history and we need a reliable good backup that can replace Allen and at least push TH

There are only two ways this occurs, you bring in a better FA or draft a guy

[clskinsfan]

5 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Did he? I didn’t see Allen do anything even slightly resembling better than Heinicke. But we all see what we want to, I guess. 
 

Well, that pass to Carter WAS beautiful and Heinicke doesn’t do that. So I guess there’s one thing.

He also ripped a 25 yard deep out on the previous drive that Heinike has no chance of throwing. I am not here to blast Heinike. He is what he is. An exciting player with limited arm talent. 

[KDawg]

1 minute ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Again. If we arent pulling him during a 4 game losing streak, why pull during a bad game after a four game win streak?

Not sure what the relevance here is. I’m saying what I would do. Not what I think Washington would.