Bench Heinicke???

[Mooka]

6 hours ago, KDawg said:

By rule, the Heinicke call was the correct one. 

 

Still don't understand how the call was reversed.

 

If it was ruled short on the field and we challenged I'd understand but the call was a TD on the field. How could there be irrefutable evidence that Heinicke gave up his body on replay? That's BS. 

 

Doesn't matter in the long run though, poorly called game all around.

[Llevron]

28 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I won't say no to any QB. Just get someone with some legitimate talent and pedigree and develop him.

 

Hell at this point draft two of them and make them fight it out. 

[mistertim]

5 minutes ago, Mooka said:

 

Still don't understand how the call was reversed.

 

If it was ruled short on the field and we challenged I'd understand but the call was a TD on the field. How could there be irrefutable evidence that Heinicke gave up his body on replay? That's BS. 

 

Doesn't matter in the long run though, poorly called game all around.

 

The replay showed that Heinicke's knee was clearly down before the ball crossed the plane of the goal line. Per the current rules that means he was down and it wasn't a TD.

 

I would have been much more surprised if they didn't overturn it. That's like seeing overwhelming evidence that a receiver didn't have control of the football after what was ruled on the field as a catch, and not overturning it.

[Renegade7]

5 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Hell at this point draft two of them and make them fight it out. 

 

Richmond gonna be interesting...

 

 

[KDawg]

10 minutes ago, Mooka said:

 

Still don't understand how the call was reversed.

 

If it was ruled short on the field and we challenged I'd understand but the call was a TD on the field. How could there be irrefutable evidence that Heinicke gave up his body on replay? That's BS. 

 

Doesn't matter in the long run though, poorly called game all around.

 The proof was he went to the ground. What other proof do you need?

[ExoDus84]

13 minutes ago, Llevron said:

Hell at this point draft two of them and make them fight it out. 

 

Worked out in 2012. At least Cousins turned into a good QB.

 

And Cousins still has a great hairline.

[Bloodytusk]

21 minutes ago, Mooka said:

 

Still don't understand how the call was reversed.

 

If it was ruled short on the field and we challenged I'd understand but the call was a TD on the field. How could there be irrefutable evidence that Heinicke gave up his body on replay? That's BS. 

 

Doesn't matter in the long run though, poorly called game all around.

I don’t get the impression they factor in intent. Seems more like a strict interpretation of the rule about sliding. I’m not rule expert that’s just my interpretation.

[Llevron]

6 minutes ago, ExoDus84 said:

 

Worked out in 2012. At least Cousins turned into a good QB.

 

And Cousins still has a great hairline.

 

You know what they say.....let the man with the best haircut win lolol

[SpacePenguin]

Let me preface this by saying that I think it's pretty clear to anyone who isn't extremely biased that Heinicke is not someone you want as your starting QB, and I am not an expert, by any means, BUT

 

I cannot even begin to fathom why Scot Turner doesn't make more of an effort to move the pocket with sprint outs, boots, anything. You have a QB who is very limited from the pocket, who needs to threaten defenses with his legs to get the openings necessary for often inaccurate, noodle armed rainbows to connect....and you're running a straight drop back offense expecting him to go through his reads while defenses just take away everything short.

 

He uses Heinicke about as well as he uses Gibson lol

 

I just don't get it......and yeah, I never liked Turner to begin with, but what the hell?

 

As to the topic, When to bench him? I don't really care. I don't think any QB on the roster is gonna be very impressive with the current personnel on offense. At least Heincke looks for McClauren, I guess.

Edited October 26, 2021 by SpacePenguin

[Llevron]

3 minutes ago, SpacePenguin said:

Let me preface this by saying that I think it's pretty clear to anyone who isn't extremely biased that Heinicke is not someone you want as your starting QB, and I am not an expert, by any means, BUT

 

I cannot even begin to fathom why Scot Turner doesn't make more of an effort to move the pocket with sprint outs, boots, anything.

 

I just don't get it......and yeah, I never liked Turner to begin with, but what the hell?

 

I dont know how true this is but I assume that with a weak arm its harder to throw on the run as you cant use your bodies momentum to help throw. That's all I can guess. 

[SpacePenguin]

13 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

I dont know how true this is but I assume that with a weak arm its harder to throw on the run as you cant use your bodies momentum to help throw. That's all I can guess. 

 

His footwork looks really bad rolling left, they did actually try it the last game once. Going to his right, he's been fine on the rare boot....and has been able to pick up yards running if it's covered.

 

Really does remind me of a noodle armed Doug Flutie, and  a similar gameplan would probably help to try to minimize his obvious shortcomings.

 

Your guess as to why they don't do it more is as good as mine, though. Maybe Turner just loves the jet sweep fakes too much to not run them all the time

 

My concern isn't for this season, but moving forward with Turner. It's not like the offense would be a world beater either way, right now.

Edited October 26, 2021 by SpacePenguin

[Koolblue13]

5 minutes ago, SpacePenguin said:

 

His footwork looks really bad rolling left, they did actually try it the last game once. Going to his right, he's been fine on the rare boot....and has been able to pick up yards running if it's covered.

 

Really does remind me of a noodle armed Doug Flutie, and needs a similiar gameplan to have any kind of success on the NFL level.

 

Your guess as to why they don't do it more is as good as mine, though. Maybe Turner just loves the jet sweep fakes too much to not run them all the time

 

My concern isn't for this season, but moving forward with Turner. It's not like the offense would be a world beater either way right now.

First post you say you don't know why they don't roll the pocket, then in the next say that his footwork looks terrible when they do it.

 

Turners offense has guys getting open just fine. We just can't get the ball to them.

 

People were complaining about running draws with Gibson on first downs in the game day thread, but he was getting 6 yards a clip. Of course you keep doing that.

 

When a defense won't let your QB out of the pocket and he can't throw an accurate 10 yard pass with any zip on the ball, you don't have many options, except screens and slants. Heinicke is too weak armed to throw fades and curls.

 

I really don't get how Turner gets any blame for the games he's calling. Especially recently.

[SpacePenguin]

4 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

 

I really don't get how Turner gets any blame for the games he's calling. Especially recently.

 

We never agree on anything. I don't get how anyone could defend his playcalling, especially recently.

 

I bet you'll love this, but I'd still rather watch Heinicke at this point over Alex Smith's amazing 6-4 start, before he got hurt. What now?

 

I couldn't resist lol

 

 

Edited October 26, 2021 by SpacePenguin

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

12 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

 

Turners offense has guys getting open just fine. We just can't get the ball to them.

It's almost like there isn't a stable of analysis on Turner's offense right here on this forum that clearly shows he's getting guys open.  Beyond that, it's all over twitter if you want to search for it. 

 

I don't know how Scott Turner's career is going to end up and I'm not really sold either way at this point.  He's dealt with nothing but severely limited quarterbacks since he showed up here.  The tape clearly indicates that the offense would move better with a QB that can actually identify and throw accurately.

 

But it's not uncommon for Washington to trot out very limited quarterbacks and then have the peanut gallery say the OC stinks because they don't do X, Y, and Z instead to make the limited QB somehow play better, as if the folks on this forum know more about said QB than the guy who is with him 50+ hours every week.

8 minutes ago, SpacePenguin said:

I bet you'll love this, but I'd still rather watch Heinicke at this point over Alex Smith's amazing 6-4 start, before he got hurt. What now?

I'm also no fan of Alex Smith style of QB play and didn't believe in the 6-4 start.  It looked a lot like what we've seen over the years with plenty of teams, where the team doesn't pass the smell test.  They get off to a hot start vs. cupcakes but get their doors blown off by legitimate teams.

 

That said I'd take 2018 Alex Smith over Taylor Heineke, 100 times out of 100.

Edited October 26, 2021 by BatteredFanSyndrome

[Koolblue13]

6 minutes ago, SpacePenguin said:

 

We never agree on anything. I don't get how anyone could defend his playcalling, especially recently.

 

I bet you'll love this, but I'd still rather watch Heinicke at this point over Alex Smith's amazing 6-4 start, before he got hurt. What now?

 

I couldn't resist lol

 

 

I'm sure you don't understand how anyone could defend his play calling. You could try reading things like Sip just posted about TMac.

 

The Alex Smith thing I don't know what to tell you. Yes, I'd rather be a good team than a perennial loser.

[SpacePenguin]

8 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I'm also no fan of Alex Smith and didn't believe in the 6-4 start.  It looked a lot like what we've seen over the years with plenty of teams, where the team doesn't pass the smell test.  They get off to a hot start vs. cupcakes but get their doors blown off by legitimate teams.

 

That said I'd take 2018 Alex Smith over Taylor Heineke, 100 times out of 100.

 

Eh, a boring ass checkdown fest and a later pick at 7 wins or some excitement and a high draft pick at 4 of 'em.

 

These are the kind of debates that really make you realize how bad of a team this is, consistently over the years. God help us all.

Edited October 26, 2021 by SpacePenguin

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, SpacePenguin said:

 

Eh, a boring ass checkdown fest and a later pick at 7 wins or some excitement and a high draft pick at 4 of 'em.

 

These are the kind of debates that really make you realize how bad of a team this is, consistently over the years. God help us all.

Fair enough.

 

I just haven't found Heineke to be an exciting player.  He's had some 'exciting' moments against the dregs of the league.  I absolutely enjoyed the wins vs. NYG and ATL.  But the last 3 weeks have been anything but exciting and by the looks of both our schedule and the fact that DC's have more tape on him, I don't expect much more excitement.

 

But really, the most exciting thing for me at this point would be to lose out.  So yeah - these kind of debates absolutely make it hit home just how sad and pathetic we are.

[wit33]

1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Fair enough.

 

I just haven't found Heineke to be an exciting player.  He's had some 'exciting' moments against the dregs of the league.  I absolutely enjoyed the wins vs. NYG and ATL.  But the last 3 weeks have been anything but exciting and by the looks of both our schedule and the fact that DC's have more tape on him, I don't expect much more excitement.

 

But really, the most exciting thing for me at this point would be to lose out.  So yeah - these kind of debates absolutely make it hit home just how sad and pathetic we are.

Team is starving for an identity on offense, franchise QBs provide this. Wasn’t a fan of Alex’s ceiling, but valued being in the top 3rd versus bottom 3rd of the league. You knew what you were rooting for and what the team needed to do in order to win games. 
 

This team on offense is anyone’s best guess. Just hope they score enough points. 

[skinny21]

5 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Fair enough.

 

I just haven't found Heineke to be an exciting player.  He's had some 'exciting' moments against the dregs of the league.  I absolutely enjoyed the wins vs. NYG and ATL.  But the last 3 weeks have been anything but exciting and by the looks of both our schedule and the fact that DC's have more tape on him, I don't expect much more excitement.

 

But really, the most exciting thing for me at this point would be to lose out.  So yeah - these kind of debates absolutely make it hit home just how sad and pathetic we are.

Totally get being as down on Heinicke as you are, but you really didn’t think his game vs GB was exciting?  400+ offensive yds, almost 100 yards rushing, getting Terry so close to 2 tds and big yardage, ez pass to RSJ that should have been PI, recovering the fumble downfield, Lambeau Leap, td dive that wasn’t, and zero punts.  Again, I get a negative view of him, but dude, you might need to lower your excitement bar, lol.

[Thinking Skins]

I'm not a fan of benching him and going forward if like him as my day 1 guy unless he's beat out. If we draft a QB they can learn behind him. If we sign a guy, they can compete with him. If we get a top 10 guy I'll retract this but this is just what I thought we'd get with Tribusky or Darnold or Mariota. Sure we can bring in one of those guys but they're no better. And for the ducks that Heinicke throws, the other guys just don't throw enough up or are inaccurate in other ways. 

 

Dude is good. Not great but good sand fun to watch. I know I'm going against my own self but this is much more exciting than Haskins and Smith games were. 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

8 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

Totally get being as down on Heinicke as you are, but you really didn’t think his game vs GB was exciting?  400+ offensive yds, almost 100 yards rushing, getting Terry so close to 2 tds and big yardage, ez pass to RSJ that should have been PI, recovering the fumble downfield, Lambeau Leap, td dive that wasn’t, and zero punts.  Again, I get a negative view of him, but dude, you might need to lower your excitement bar, lol.

I think the excitement is driven by the fact that every time he lets it go, it makes everyone nervous.  If not for the other team picking it, the safety of our receivers.  There are times he delivers it, the TD to Terry to qualifies exciting.  But outside of that did anyone ever really feel we were a threat to win?
 

It may not seem like it, but I like Heineke and don’t care if they give him the whole season to play.  But his stock is way down for me as far as being intrigued.   

[Renegade7]

1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I think the excitement is driven by the fact that every time he lets it go, it makes everyone nervous.  If not for the other team picking it, the safety of our receivers.  There are times he delivers it, the TD to Terry to qualifies exciting.  But outside of that did anyone ever really feel we were a threat to win?
 

It may not seem like it, but I like Heineke and don’t care if they give him the whole season to play.  But his stock is way down for me as far as being intrigued.   

 

Ya, that's not excitement, that's anxiety. 

 

I get enough of that wondering if we are going to win or not each week, damn if any given pass could be straight chaos.  What we need is a QB that helps calm our anxiety on offense, trust that more often then not everythang gonna be alright. 

 

I said it once and ill say it again, ain't nothing exciting about scoring 10 points in a game. Not at all, im not entertained, im pissed off.

Edited October 27, 2021 by Renegade7

[tmandoug1]

Yep...I agree. Heiny hasn't shown the ability to be an NFL starting QB. Throws are high....has to jump up to see over his lineman, makes bonehead plays. After 8 games he has not shown us that he actually will ever be a starting QB. 

So here goes...

 

QB Taylor "shorty" Heinicke

RB Anotnio "converted WR" Gibson

WR1 Terry "blanketed" Mclaurin 

WR 2 Dyami "broken rookie" Brown 

WR 3 Curtis "played 4 snaps" Samuel

WR 4 Stan " where's my boy Fitzy" Humphries

WR 5 DeAndre "actually like this dude" Carter

TE 1 RSJ

TE 2 ...........

Brandon "All pro dude who got paid and is sitting down for the rest of the season" Scherrf (sarcasmish).

Field Goal specialist.......to be named later.

 

Bench him and let the next man up show the league that Turner has the ability to call plays no matter what offensive makeup is. He is a Norve Turner Sibling after all.

 

Of course I could be wrong and normally am.....but I'm sure Ryan "water slide" Fitzpatrick can and will lead this Titanic we call the WFT to the promised land with all of the above weapons at his disposal.

 

Mostly sarcasm but some truth to it somewhere I'm sure.

 

No flame necessary......I will see myself out.🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Stefanskins]

2 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I think the excitement is driven by the fact that every time he lets it go, it makes everyone nervous.  If not for the other team picking it, the safety of our receivers.  There are times he delivers it, the TD to Terry to qualifies exciting.  But outside of that did anyone ever really feel we were a threat to win?
 

It may not seem like it, but I like Heineke and don’t care if they give him the whole season to play.  But his stock is way down for me as far as being intrigued.   

Isn’t this just his 9th or 10th start?…less than a year ago he was

 

 

[skinny21]

1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I think the excitement is driven by the fact that every time he lets it go, it makes everyone nervous.  If not for the other team picking it, the safety of our receivers.  There are times he delivers it, the TD to Terry to qualifies exciting.  But outside of that did anyone ever really feel we were a threat to win?
 

It may not seem like it, but I like Heineke and don’t care if they give him the whole season to play.  But his stock is way down for me as far as being intrigued.   

I hear you on the nervousness - I’ve said as much on here - but I’m separating that from the excitement… and separating the excitement from chances of winning.  I did briefly entertain thoughts of winning - we were moving the ball well, scored on the first drive, but maybe more importantly, the Dline was causing problems.  And frankly, considering we all assumed we’d get creamed (kinda still did on the scoreboard of course), I’ll take it.  

Backing up though, my feelings about Heinicke’s play aren’t really about winning.  He’s limited, our schedule is brutal, weapons are injured, defense has mostly been atrocious, etc.  Hearing Turner wanted TH to play his brand of football, and then seeing him run the ball like he did (the ‘dive’ notwithstanding), and move the ball up and down the field, I found it exciting.  This felt somewhat similar to his game against TB, if he’d crossed the goal line and Terry had caught the pass in the ez anyway.  Bringing some excitement to a game against a HOF qb (and a talented team).  He screwed up of course - particularly the dive and pick, but on other plays as well (not sure how McKissick bounced back from that hit, yikes).

 

@Renegade7  I feel you.  I don’t really have it in me to be pissed.  So when he didn’t cross the goal line, my thought was more “Ah, bummer man, I feel for you TH”🤷‍♂️. I just can’t be mad at a guy that wasn’t on a roster most of last year, has so few starts, has such a limited arm, and a relatively poor supporting cast.  Totally get why others wouldn’t feel the same.