MartinC Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 I don’t care how good a player is for almost all draft picks there is an adjustment period. Very few come into the league and immediately become ‘playmakers’. Some adjust much quicker than others. Some never adjust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 5 hours ago, MartinC said: I don’t care how good a player is for almost all draft picks there is an adjustment period. Very few come into the league and immediately become ‘playmakers’. Some adjust much quicker than others. Some never adjust. Sure, but typically the great players are at at the least pretty good right away, and then develop and get better. Its very rare for a guy to just SUCK and then become a Pro Bowler. Take Allen and Payne for example. While neither were dominant early on, they were both good solid players that developed into Pro Bowl caliber players. Neither were ever as bad as Forbes appears to be right now at CB. And that is a big time concern. Especially since CB tends to be a pretty volatile position anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Warhead36 said: Sure, but typically the great players are at at the least pretty good right away, and then develop and get better. Its very rare for a guy to just SUCK and then become a Pro Bowler. Take Allen and Payne for example. While neither were dominant early on, they were both good solid players that developed into Pro Bowl caliber players. Neither were ever as bad as Forbes appears to be right now at CB. And that is a big time concern. Especially since CB tends to be a pretty volatile position anyway. Forbes is certainly a concern. But the book is not written on him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capsman Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Just now, MartinC said: Forbes is certainly a concern. But the book is not written on him yet. People said the same about J. Davis, who is mediocre on his best day. Rivera and Mayhew sh&7 the bed once again on a high draft pick. It’s getting to be a joke the guys they’ve passed over for what they drafted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Capsman said: People said the same about J. Davis, who is mediocre on his best day. Rivera and Mayhew sh&7 the bed once again on a high draft pick. It’s getting to be a joke the guys they’ve passed over for what they drafted. Jamin Davis is a hall of famer in comparison to Forbes. Forbes has two seasons worth of bad tape in 5 games and no redeeming plays to counter. At least Davis was sort of invisible early on, Forbes is targeted and bullied regularly by every DC and QB we face. Edited October 6, 2023 by BatteredFanSyndrome 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) Davis had the excuse of his rookie year being wasted because he was forced to play MLB. Once he moved to OLB he at least showed some flashes, and actually has gotten better this year(not a lot better, but better). Forbes through five games looks like the worst player in the league at his position. He's made one good play all year and that was the pick in the Denver game which was basically a gift from the QB and even then he nearly fumbled it away. He's the worst rookie I remember in some time. Even Dwayne Haskins(RIP) had those real good couple of games against the Eagles and Giants late in his rookie year. Edited October 6, 2023 by Warhead36 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Building a defense first team is fools gold. They completely regressed from last season like the analytics say usually happen. It was a terrible way to build a team. At this point, that side of the ball needs to be blown to hell. The secondary needs difference makers. Kam Curl is only a good player to Commanders fans. Otherwise, he’s a decent safety. Zero playmaking ability. BSJ stinks. Idc about his cute celebration dance. The entire front 7 can **** off. I’m tired of all of them. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 JDR should voluntarily step down. Not sure how he can sleep at night while stealing that money 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 6 hours ago, MartinC said: Forbes is certainly a concern. But the book is not written on him yet. He needs a coaching change to salvage his career here in DC. His confidence is wrecked. I've never seen a first round draft pick go from confident and balling to struggling mess in quicker fashion than Forbes. Forbes was great in camp and even flashed in the first weeks of the season, before this defense got figured out. Not even Jamin was as mishandled and hung out to dry as this. It's ghastly. And the bigger concern is that he's just the first to fall, because the entire secondary is struggling to keep anything in front of them now. Martin is MIA, Butler and Forrest have been horrible, Curl hasn't been making any plays in the pass game, and Fuller and Juice got cooked too last night. Del Rio lost his defense. The short week is over, it's time to fire him. Ron needs to earn his paycheck and give ownership some reason to keep him and take the defense over from here on out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 I don’t feel like Ron should be allowed to fire anyone, because this is all his mess that he created. But if Harris is going to pull the trigger on Ron due to the optics, JDR at minimum needs to be gone simply to send the message that this BS won’t be tolerated. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmills67 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 In my opinion I think to much pressure is being put on the DL, 4 man rushes most of the time and they know if they don't get to the QB there will be a completion even with 7 players defending the pass. The LB might as well stay on the sidelines completely useless in both run and pass. And absolutely ******* disgraceful is what I would call our DB's, they couldn't cover a dinning table with a tablecloth or tackle a statue stuck in cement. RIVERA, OUT OUT OUT DEL RIO, OUT OUT OUT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultravin Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 this 4 linemen, 2 LB and 5 secondaries formation needs to end! they need to be creative in rushing a 5th person every down. either bring in a 5th dl lineman in or go back to a true 4-3 and rush that 3rd lb to force a quick throw or spy on a qb! hell, use Chase to rush inside instead of out. use the fat guys in the middle and let chase wreck havoc through them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Let’s summarise. Del Rio needs to be fired today. I would assume Harris will have a weekly post game meeting with Ron. He should ask Ron what he intends to do about the defense. If part of that answer is not making a coaching change at DC - I’d fire Ron as well. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, ultravin said: this 4 linemen, 2 LB and 5 secondaries formation needs to end! they need to be creative in rushing a 5th person every down. either bring in a 5th dl lineman in or go back to a true 4-3 and rush that 3rd lb to force a quick throw or spy on a qb! hell, use Chase to rush inside instead of out. use the fat guys in the middle and let chase wreck havoc through them. Del Rio has no imagination or creativity. He's a dinosaur. A pen and paper guy in a computer and smartphone world. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, MartinC said: Let’s summarise. Del Rio needs to be fired today. I would assume Harris will have a weekly post game meeting with Ron. He should ask Ron what he intends to do about the defense. If part of that answer is not making a coaching change at DC - I’d fire Ron as well. Wholeheartedly agree. Except Del Rio needed to be fired a couple years ago. We have been decent at times (looking good on paper, yet still wildly inconsistent) in spite of him. Based on pure talent alone. Absolutely nothing to do with his schemes or game plans. No Del Rio doesn't miss tackles or gets beat deep. But he doesn't correctly utilize the talent we do have to put players in the position to make those plays. 40 points......TO THE BEARS! There HAS to be immediate consequences. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Ron decided to go with 2 DBs with the first 2 picks in the draft. One of those DBs is so bad he became unplayable, and the other has never been playable. They call that in the player personnel business, "not great". 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, ultravin said: this 4 linemen, 2 LB and 5 secondaries formation needs to end! That’s a dime defense. The most common defensive personnel grouping in the NFL. The issue is not personnel, or personnel grouping or even coverage scheme (pressure scheme is an issue). It’s coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, ultravin said: this 4 linemen, 2 LB and 5 secondaries formation needs to end! they need to be creative in rushing a 5th person every down. either bring in a 5th dl lineman in or go back to a true 4-3 and rush that 3rd lb to force a quick throw or spy on a qb! hell, use Chase to rush inside instead of out. use the fat guys in the middle and let chase wreck havoc through them. The 4-2-5 isn’t the issue. The 4-2-5 defense is one of the most versatile defenses in football. The issue is the way we are trying to run it with poor personnel. We’ve been saying for years we need better linebacker play. We’ve whiffed on talent acquisition in the secondary as well and we are uncreative schematically. The combination results in the current product. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoDeep81 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Forbes is too small and apparently too scared to play (tackle) NFL football. He'd probably be great in the National Flag Football League though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 It’s really unfair to a great man like Jack Del Rio to expect him to conduct a winning defense when you only give him six first rounders and two second rounders to work with. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtisDriftwood25 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 We have invested too much in this defense for it to be this bad. Forbes can’t tackle period. Our defensive line cannot beat their man. We do not stunt, or do anything innovative. Our only innovation is the time we tell everyone hey Davis is blitzing from this side and Chase or Montez will drop. We are running a 2002 defense in 2023. Our Linebackers are a joke. Can’t cover, Blitz or stop the run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 It's astonishing how 2 former LBs are so inept at judging talent at the position. They'd have been better off just paying Holcomb the extra $3mil a year. Barton is playing like what he is, a backup special teamer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, justice98 said: It's astonishing how 2 former LBs are so inept at judging talent at the position. They'd have been better off just paying Holcomb the extra $3mil a year. Barton is playing like what he is, a backup special teamer. Hell, Zach Cunningham was available all summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 IMO, one thing is obvious with the new staff likely incoming next year, this talent of this DL have been wasted due to a lack of creativity on the part of the DC. At the end of the day, they highly drafted played with the potential wasted. Yes, injuries played a part for Chase, but schematically their talents have not been maximized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Continuity is supposed to have value. Wow! Absolute travesty what we are witnessing on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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