Warhead36 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, method man said: I don’t know why so many on this board want to release Leno and/or Lucas. One guy is an average LT making average LT money while being a strong locker room presence and the other guy is one of the best swing tackles in the league and has had to play a ton since coming here Leno is a fine starter. Wouldn't mind an upgrade but he wasn't the weak link at all last year. The post you're quoting though said to cut Logan, as in Logan Thomas, not Lucas. Thomas is finished and completely washed at this point. He should be a post June 1 cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Leno is a fine starter. Wouldn't mind an upgrade but he wasn't the weak link at all last year. The post you're quoting though said to cut Logan, as in Logan Thomas, not Lucas. Thomas is finished and completely washed at this point. He should be a post June 1 cut. I wanted to cut Thomas last year, so cool with that. Cutting Leno would be moronic and I've pointed out why the only legitimate starting player on what's probably about to be the 28th ranked line again, shouldn't be cut. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Warhead36 said: Leno is a fine starter. Wouldn't mind an upgrade but he wasn't the weak link at all last year. The post you're quoting though said to cut Logan, as in Logan Thomas, not Lucas. Thomas is finished and completely washed at this point. He should be a post June 1 cut. Yep. Just saying that, in other threads, especially prior the draft, I was seeing a lot of posts suggesting cutting Lucas to save a miniscule amount of cap space. 2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: I wanted to cut Thomas last year, so cool with that. Cutting Leno would be moronic and I've pointed out why the only legitimate starting player on what's probably about to be the 28th ranked line again, shouldn't be cut. Unless his play drops off significantly this year, I wouldn't cut Leno next year either - it is not easy to acquire a legitimate starting caliber LT. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Est.1974 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Neither Curl nor Sweat are playing week one without new contracts. Chase can go to the Bears for a couple of mid rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Est.1974 said: Neither Curl nor Sweat are playing week one without new contracts. Chase can go to the Bears for a couple of mid rounders. Based on what? Are there reports they are holding out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Warhead36 said: Based on what? Are there reports they are holding out? Just my own opinion on what I think happens with both Curl and Sweat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 15 hours ago, Est.1974 said: Neither Curl nor Sweat are playing week one without new contracts. Chase can go to the Bears for a couple of mid rounders. Aren't there usually heavy penalties in contracts that detract players from holding out that long which is why we don't often see actual holdouts into the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oraphus Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Est.1974 said: Just my own opinion on what I think happens with both Curl and Sweat. Opinion based on what? i disagree... Both will play. This is just posturing for a new contract. Not only will they lose eligibility for fa if they dont play... they look very poor to any team that might want to sign them and neither plays a position where replacements cant be found. Plus history has shown us that sitting out on purpose has never benefited a player. They are still under contract, they will play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 hour ago, oraphus said: Opinion based on what? i disagree... Both will play. This is just posturing for a new contract. Not only will they lose eligibility for fa if they dont play... they look very poor to any team that might want to sign them and neither plays a position where replacements cant be found. Plus history has shown us that sitting out on purpose has never benefited a player. They are still under contract, they will play. Only real SUPERSTAR types have leverage when it comes to holding out, because they know they'll more than make up any money lost if/when they hit the open market. A guy like Curl is playing on a 6th round pick rookie contract. If he holds up he's eating fines every day and it's not like he's gonna reset the market for DBs. Sweat has a bit more bank as a DE on a 5th year option, but still, DL is a stronger position for us. If he wants to sit we'll happily fine him and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 3 hours ago, oraphus said: Opinion based on what? i disagree... Both will play. This is just posturing for a new contract. Not only will they lose eligibility for fa if they dont play... they look very poor to any team that might want to sign them and neither plays a position where replacements cant be found. Plus history has shown us that sitting out on purpose has never benefited a player. They are still under contract, they will play. Just my personal opinion and yeah it’s fine if we disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 By the way, what has happened to Phidarian Mathis (ie, our 2nd round pick last year)?? Seems weird he's getting lost in the shuffle and none of the beat reporters or anyone else for that matter is talking about him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSpearheadxX Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 5 hours ago, bird_1972 said: By the way, what has happened to Phidarian Mathis (ie, our 2nd round pick last year)?? Seems weird he's getting lost in the shuffle and none of the beat reporters or anyone else for that matter is talking about him There is a post 4 or 5 above yours where a couple beat reporters mention him looking completely unbothered by his injury now 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Any sense on how Jamin Davis is doing? Davis was getting better last year, but still had lots of room for improvement. I just hope Holcomb's passion for studying game film rubbed off on Davis -- especially since Cole's no longer around to help Jamin's development. And I'm not sure how much of a 'mentor' Barton can be, considering he's learning a different system and was only beginning to 'come into his own' in Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 49 minutes ago, Wyvern said: Any sense on how Jamin Davis is doing? Davis was getting better last year, but still had lots of room for improvement. I just hope Holcomb's passion for studying game film rubbed off on Davis -- especially since Cole's no longer around to help Jamin's development. And I'm not sure how much of a 'mentor' Barton can be, considering he's learning a different system and was only beginning to 'come into his own' in Seattle. He hasn’t practiced yet in OTA’s bc he had a clean up procedure on his knee, I’m pretty sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Pretty interesting stuff: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Pretty hard to take that metric seriously when Aaron Donald isn't on there at least somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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philibusters Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) On 7/2/2023 at 12:23 PM, redskinss said: Pretty hard to take that metric seriously when Aaron Donald isn't on there at least somewhere. Aaron Donald missed 7 games last year and therefore only had 40 pressures. I heard an interview with the guy who put this together on the Standig podcast and he said he only graded the top 50 guys in terms of pressures last year. I think the cutoff was around 43 pressures. Since Donald only had 40 pressures (because he only played in 10 games) he wasn't included in the stats. The guy said he grades every sack but to grade every pressure would be too time consuming for one person, so he only does the top 50 players each season in terms of pressure. Edited July 11, 2023 by philibusters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Not us, but thought some of you would find the breakdown directly from a player interesting. We’re living in an unprecedented time of access and knowledge as fans, it’s extremely cool. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 10 hours ago, philibusters said: Aaron Donald missed 7 games last year and therefore only had 40 pressures. I heard an interview with the guy who put this together on the Standig podcast and he said he only graded the top 50 guys in terms of pressures last year. I think the cutoff was around 43 pressures. Since Donald only had 40 pressures (because he only played in 10 games) he wasn't included in the stats. The guy said he grades every sack but to grade every pressure would be too time consuming for one person, so he only does the top 50 players each season in terms of pressure. Probably all true but my point still stands, the metric is flawed due to insufficient information. If you were a scout and your boss asked you give him a list of the top 50 defensive tackles at pressuring the quarterback and you handed him that list he'd ask where Aaron Donald is and tell you to start over. I'm sure that's a good method for measuring quarterback pressure but the model clearly needs more information to be accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) Injuries are always the wildcard in grading players. Broken players are just that. The NFL tries to rebuild them into what they once were but after some injuries the player is not quite the same. All battle father time rapidly. While there are 6 Million dollar men, sadly we still lack bionics. Rest assured if bionics were available, the NFL would be first in line. I still can't help but shake believing our defensive play calling will be heavily dictated by the limitations on offense - notably OL QB and RR. Sadly it seems the days that a defense would play aggressive and try to force turnovers or score to help out a futile offense are gone. It's mostly bend don't break or bust in DC for decades now no matter the studs on D. If we want to enjoy a dominant defense we better hope Howell and EB can forge leads. RR plays everything so conservative it seems like we rarely to never have leads 10 minutes into games. Defenses lay back to start games when that is when I want them aggressive. Worst that can happen is down 7-0 which is what often happens anyways if you scoreboard watch league wide year after year. Edited July 18, 2023 by RandyHolt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 How are we feeling about Darrick Forrest, was last year an anomaly or do we have a legit player here. He had an unreal year last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo'sRangers Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 4 hours ago, dyst said: How are we feeling about Darrick Forrest, was last year an anomaly or do we have a legit player here. He had an unreal year last year. I think Darrick always had the athletic ability. Hard work & grinding paid off for him, and must always continue as the great ones always do. I think he is definitely legit, in my unprofessional opinion. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2021/03/31/2021-nfl-draft-darrick-forrest-steals-show-cincinnati-pro-day/4811257001/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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