The Official Roster Thread or similar ;)

[Conn]

1 hour ago, Rdskns2000 said:

One problem with Ron's plan.  Taking his time to find that long term QB and just slowly bide his time until the team built and he's willing to give up assets for the QB; only works if he's winning.  A non-playoff season, especially one with a losing season in 21; will put pressure on Ron to find that Qb in 22.  Another non-playoff season, especially a losing one and he's probably fired. 

Pretty sure you’ve posted this half a dozen times this offseason. We get it, you think Rivera is much closer to the hot seat than most people. For the record, two losing seasons in a row after barely making the playoffs (with a losing record) is not good for any coach’s career outlook. But you have been posting all offseason about two things: how we need to just enjoy the stable Rivera/Wright era while it lasts bc Snyder’s itchy trigger finger is always lurking, and how thin the ice is that Rivera treads on. We know, thank you. It’s almost like you’re trying to wishcast this future into existence. Trust us, we all know how quickly this can all go sideways again, no one is getting too lost in the ecstasy of our current mediocrity to forget it.

 

(also Snyder has NOT had a quick trigger finger with all the people he has trusted to make decisions for this team over the years, in fact we all complained about how long it took him to get rid of Allen and before him, Vinny—but that’s a different topic entirely. Rivera may have quite a long rope, if he can keep Snyder feeling involved and special.)

[88Comrade2000]

17 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Pretty sure you’ve posted this half a dozen times this offseason. We get it, you think Rivera is much closer to the hot seat than most people. For the record, two losing seasons in a row after barely making the playoffs (with a losing record) is not good for any coach’s career outlook. But you have been posting all offseason about two things: how we need to just enjoy the stable Rivera/Wright era while it lasts bc Snyder’s itchy trigger finger is always lurking, and how thin the ice is that Rivera treads on. We know, thank you. It’s almost like you’re trying to wishcast this future into existence. Trust us, we all know how quickly this can all go sideways again, no one is getting too lost in the ecstasy of our current mediocrity to forget it.

 

(also Snyder has NOT had a quick trigger finger with all the people he has trusted to make decisions for this team over the years, in fact we all complained about how long it took him to get rid of Allen and before him, Vinny—but that’s a different topic entirely. Rivera may have quite a long rope, if he can keep Snyder feeling involved and special.)

But Tanya runs the team for now, Danny can't feel special.

[carex]

1 hour ago, terpfan said:

I don’t think Jaret would be deactivated as the 3rd RB and backup kick returner. 
 

I would assume the inactives as the roster stands now would be the 3rd QB, 4th TE, 7th WR (non-returner), 9th OL, and 5th DE. So basically exactly what @Voice_of_Reason said. 

 

yeah, you don't just dress two RBs.  10th DB may compete with 4th TE and/or 7th WR for the last active spot. 

[Voice_of_Reason]

1 hour ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

also Snyder has NOT had a quick trigger finger with all the people he has trusted to make decisions for this team over the years, in fact we all complained about how long it took him to get rid of Allen and before him, Vinny

And Jay for that matter.

 

As amazing as it sounds, the WFT actually only had 3 coaches from 2010-2019, a full decade: Shanahan, Gruden and then Ol’ Bill Callahan as an interim.  
 

Dan has always had a reputation of running through coaches mostly on the back of 1 stupid move, firing Marty.  
 

Norv needed firing.  Nobody really cared about that.

 

Marty was the mistake.

 

Spurrier quit.

 

Gibbs retired (again.)

Zorn was a horrendous hire, but he still got 2 years.

 

Then the last 10 years it’s been 2 coaches.

 

There are a million other bad things Dan has done.  But he has actually given folks a chance to succeed since Marty.

[Malapropismic Depository]

46 minutes ago, carex said:

 

yeah, you don't just dress two RBs.  

 

Maybe, if they consider that Samuel's experience can make him an emergency 3rd back.

Assuming he ever gets healthy enough to get on the field.

[Dark Acre]

These roster rules make Fizzbin look like an easy game to learn.

[Jericho]

6 hours ago, Shakazullo21 said:

That is why Cam Newton and some of the other guys don't get claimed, because you would be stuck with his salary all year.  So if you bring them in and they aren't good, then you stuck paying upwards of a million dollars or more for someone you want to cut.  It is the salary cap, NFLPA negotiated rules.

 

Sort of. The biggest reason Newton was not claimed is that Newton was never on waivers. Any player with at least 4 years service time is outright released and free to sign with anyone. They do not get subjected to waivers (there is an exception to this for late season cuts). Same with guys like Peyton Barber or David Mayo. Also, no matter the player, when you claim someone you take on their existing contract. Which you might not want. Its the big reason Leonard Fournette was not claimed on waivers last year. No one wanted to take on his existing contract as a high first round pick. They'd rather him clear waivers and then signed him to a new lower value deal. But otherwise you are right. Vested veterans, or players with at least 4 years, have their entire salary guaranteed if they are the week 1 roster. This also applies to practice squad players who get "promoted" to the Week 1 roster under the new rules.

[Jericho]

6 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

One of the TEs will be inactive.  This will be interesting to see if they activate Reyes and play him, or give him more time to practice, and activate RSJ.  Bates will be active.  I'm going to guess Reyes is initially inactive.  And if he starts to be activated and play, then I think they're going to release RSJ. 

 

I'm not sure the point of the RSJ is you don't play him. He's not that good that you need to stash him (he's been cut by Arizona, Kansas City, and non-tendered by Cleveland). And he's a vested veteran, so his entire salary is guaranteed on day 1. It seems clear the intent is to keep RSJ active and basically develop Reyes in practice. Maybe that changes late in the season (or with injuries), but most weeks RSJ should be active.

[Jericho]

3 hours ago, redskinss said:

What is the purpose of making teams deactivate 5 players on game days?

 

Generally its to account for injuries. They inevitably happen. Under the old rules, you couldn't bring players back from IR. So if you had 5-6 guys that were banged up, your options would be to cut them, IR them, or just deal with the injured players. But if you had 7 guys injured and your opponent had zero, you'd be playing with significantly less players. You might think of this as a short term injured listed. The NBA has had similar rules, where you can have 15 players under contract (absent two way deals), but with the except of special COVID rules you only can play/activate 13 on a given night.

[Malapropismic Depository]

1 minute ago, Jericho said:

 

Generally its to account for injuries. 

 

Seems like, if I recall correctly, that there was a time a long time ago, when the roster was 53, however they were all allowed to be active on gameday.

So it actually has become more stricter for teams with injuries, as opposed to more flexible.

Am I correct, and does anyone else remember a time like that ?

[Jericho]

8 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Seems like, if I recall correctly, that there was a time a long time ago, when the roster was 53, however they were all allowed to be active on gameday.

So it actually has become more stricter for teams with injuries, as opposed to more flexible.

Am I correct, and does anyone else remember a time like that ?

As far as I recall, no. The NFL has had all players active before, but with smaller rosters. This seems to be a pretty good summary:

 

https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/5/4/21245563/a-brief-history-of-roster-sizes-in-the-nfl

 

Though a fun roster fact, if I recall correctly, the old “emergency quarterback” rule came into play largely due to Washington and the body bag game versus Philadelphia

[MartinC]

Just a heads up to regulars in this thread that I plan to merge it with the Roster thread tomorrow morning sometime. 
 

Camp is over and the season is starting and the conversation in here is essentially the same now as the one(s) in the roster thread.

[Dark Acre]

3 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

But Tanya runs the team for now, Danny can't feel special.

He said "Snyder"; that's Tanya's last name too.

[redrobert]

Rivera is not leaving this team until he chooses to do so. 

[ExoDus84]

1 hour ago, MartinC said:

Camp is over and the season is starting

 

Just set an alarm for 4 hours from now.  Got a feeling I'll need to consult a physician...

[PartyPosse]

1 hour ago, MartinC said:

Just a heads up to regulars in this thread that I plan to merge it with the Roster thread tomorrow morning sometime. 
 

Camp is over and the season is starting and the conversation in here is essentially the same now as the one(s) in the roster thread.

Thank friggin god

[Wildbunny]

6 hours ago, ThomasRoane said:

 

It was supposed to be to prevent teams from having a competitive advantage.  It's a tax for being healthy or putting together a good team.  Or so they say.  Personally, I believe it's a way for the NFL to get out of paying players more of a pension.  If they don't dress for a game it doesn't count as a game played.  Or something like that.  

 

If the NFL really cared about the safety of players they'd let teams dress 53.  That would mean fewer starters having to play special teams.  

 

Somehow I believe that with the expanded schedule, injuries, and pandemic, it wouldn't surprise me to see rosters being expanded in a not so long future.

[Burgold]

7 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Maybe, if they consider that Samuel's experience can make him an emergency 3rd back.

Assuming he ever gets healthy enough to get on the field.

Could be. Except Samuel (like you said) is still dinged up unless they've been playing 4th-dimensional chess with him to keep how they plan to use him super duper secret.

3 hours ago, Wildbunny said:

 

Somehow I believe that with the expanded schedule, injuries, and pandemic, it wouldn't surprise me to see rosters being expanded in a not so long future.

Sounds right. I figure rosters should be set at sixty-eight. Every position goes three deep plus a punter and kicker.

[IrepDC]

Curtis Samuel is expected to return to practicing with the team on Monday. Good news.

[Skinsinparadise]

Ceilings and floors for all 32 NFL teams in 2021 -- and their biggest variables

We used FPI simulations to find best-case and worst-case scenarios for every team this season, and NFL Nation weighed in on the biggest variables in the win totals.

Washington Football Team

Ceiling: 11-6 | Floor: 5-12

Biggest variable: A lot rides on Ryan Fitzpatrick and the team's quarterback play. Washington ranked last in Total QBR in 2020, so the bar is low. If Fitzpatrick is playing his best ball -- which he and the team are both saying -- then Washington can repeat as NFC East champ. But if he has too many FitzTragic games, then it will be difficult. The defense should be better, but it will need help from the offense. Washington bolstered its receiving corps, too, so it will come down to steady play under center. -- John Keim

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/32115530/ceilings-floors-all-32-nfl-teams-2021-how-hit-high-low-records

[Skinsinparadise]

In the mix of his appearance, Kiper says the Giants take the division.  I am not surprised, Kiper is still a Daniel Jones guy, he goes jones isn't their issue their O line is.  I can't wait until we play them Thursday night, I am sick of the Giants being the hipster pick by some to win the division.   you never know, it could happen.  But I am betting against it. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

A quick look at the schedule and it is easy to see why you might need to temper expectations. Washington will face the Buffalo Bills, last year’s AFC East champion (and an AFC finalist), on the road in Week 3. It will host the Kansas City Chiefs, who are coming off consecutive Super Bowl appearances, in Week 6. After that it heads to Lambeau Field to face the Green Bay Packers — a third early-season game against one of last year’s four conference title game participants.

 

After the bye in Week 9, Washington will face the fourth semifinalist — the reigning Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Week 10). Week 12 brings the defending NFC West champion Seattle Seahawks. Those five teams averaged better than 12 wins in 2020 and all are expected to contend for a championship this season.

In fact, Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Buffalo and Green Bay are the four favorites to win Super Bowl LVI. Plus, those teams and Seattle all have MVP-caliber quarterbacks on their rosters. Washington was fortunate to face a glut of subpar quarterbacks last season, including Andy Dalton, Ben DiNucci, Nick Mullens, Daniel Jones, Nate Sudfeld and Ryan Finley.

To add to the difficulty, Washington will face both Tampa Bay and Philadelphia as those teams come off their byes. Washington is one of eight teams facing that situation twice; only the New England Patriots will face more than two opponents coming off the bye. Why does that matter? Since 2015, teams are 119-95 (.556) coming off the bye. To take it a step further, Warren Sharp’s research found Washington has the second-worst net rest differential in the NFL this season, meaning it will have a total of 14 fewer days of rest than its opponents. Again, only New England has a worse situation.

 

The early estimates from Football Outsiders’ defense-adjusted value over average, which measures a team’s efficiency by comparing success on every play to a league average based on situation and opponent, also paint a pessimistic outlook. Washington is ranked 23rd overall despite having the second-highest defensive ranking, meaning its offense is expected to be among the NFL’s worst.

 

Sure, Fitzpatrick is an upgrade under center and wideout Terry McLaurin is a superb playmaker but there are concerns around the offensive line (Pro Football Focus ranks it 17th best coming into the season) and the health of running back Antonio Gibson and receiver Curtis Samuel. Gibson missed two games in December because of turf toe, and if the do-it-all back isn’t 100 percent healthy in 2021, the drop-off at the position appears severe and could cost the team offensive production. Samuel was one of the team’s prized offseason additions, but he missed most of training camp and his status remains murky.

 

....The oddsmakers — at, for example, the DraftKings Sportsbook — appear to have taken all this into account, favoring Washington in just four games this season — twice each against the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles. We can use those point spreads to find the implied chance for Washington to come away with a win. For example, a team favored by three points wins 59 percent of games, on average, while a club favored by seven points win 75 percent of the time.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[kingdaddy]

9 hours ago, redrobert said:

Rivera is not leaving this team until he chooses to do so. 

Damn right....in fact, he's closer to being promoted to Assistant Owner than he is to being fired. 

[Cooleyfan1993]

Raiders took Barber from our practice squad. He heads to their 53 man roster