PleaseBlitz Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dan T. said: Listening to the House Managers' detailed account of Trump's actions leading up to and after the election, it occurs to me that if Donald Trump expended half the effort fighting the pandemic as he did fighting the results of the election, the country would have been COVID-free by Thanksgiving. Trump is an evil, petty, iying sociopath. I mean, Trump's efforts are universally slapdash and ineffective. He failed at fighting the results of the election, and he would have failed at stopping covid no matter how much effort he put into it. He's incompetent and only the world's ****tiest people will work for him, it's not a matter of effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 House managers are laying out a very good case, but that constitutionality vote was a mistake and it works to essentially tied the hands of anyone they were hoping to convince. How are they going to go on record saying the impeachment is unconstitutional and also vote to ban Trump from holding office ever again? Those are mutually exclusive opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Destino said: House managers are laying out a very good case, but that constitutionality vote was a mistake and it works to essentially tied the hands of anyone they were hoping to convince. How are they going to go on record saying the impeachment is unconstitutional and also vote to ban Trump from holding office ever again? Those are mutually exclusive opinions. I suppose in a fantasy world we could pretend that it will give enough Republicans plausible cover to sit out, "protesting", allowing the 55 or so yes votes to reach the 2/3 threshold without their having to vote directly to convict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 It seems the Senate rejecting the Constititionality argument should mean that Senators can't say "its unconstititional". The Senate just voted that it is Constitutional. Why is the media giving them political coverage? Are they just supposed to mindlessly repeat GOP talking points without pointing out how illogical it is? You are voting to convict or not... the Constitutionality question is not on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, techboy said: I suppose in a fantasy world we could pretend that it will give enough Republicans plausible cover to sit out, "protesting", allowing the 55 or so yes votes to reach the 2/3 threshold without their having to vote directly to convict. At this point it’s a fantasy to believe the Republicans that oppose impeachment are the ones who will need cover when this is done. The GOPs base largely supported the idea of Trump declaring martial law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, Destino said: How are they going to go on record saying the impeachment is unconstitutional and also vote to ban Trump from holding office ever again? Those are mutually exclusive opinions. Well, an adult would say “I thought it was unconstitutional, and voted such when we had the vote, but I have been overruled on the constitutionality therefore i am now charged with witnessing the trial and voting on whether he is guilty” the vote on constitutionality has been resolved. The next vote is whether he’s guilty or not. Two different things. I do not expect a single Republican to behave like an adult though. They seem to never do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 If the GOP doesn't vote to convict, I don't want to hear the whine about the constitution, Benghazi, bipartisanship, nothing! Ever again! What a bunch of worthless, cowardly, traitorous sacks of ****. Anyone who votes for these people should be put in jail with them, something needs to be done about all of them. I'm tired of this ****, reasoning and logic don't work on them or their constituents. let every red state secede and run themselves into the ground, we don't need them. They're an anchor on this country financially and morally, time to cut them loose once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Fergasun said: the Constitutionality question is not on the table. Oh, I think it is. I think the Senate is the judge of whether an action is impeachable or not. Of whether the Senate has jurisdiction. Of what is or isn't a "high crime or misdemeanor". Now, that's not what they're doing What they're doing is they've decided in advance that the only time they will vote against a Republican is if said Republican ever places honesty above Perty. All they're doing with muttering "Constitutionality" is shopping for which cover story they're going to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, Fergasun said: It seems the Senate rejecting the Constititionality argument should mean that Senators can't say "its unconstititional". The Senate just voted that it is Constitutional. ... You are voting to convict or not... the Constitutionality question is not on the table. Rep. Jamie Raskin made that very point at the outset of his comments this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I think we need to keep in mind no president has ever been convicted after impeachment. The bar is very very high. Does this deserve it? I think so, but I am mindful of how unlikely this was to ever reach conviction. I just dont see this fact mentioned much as we talk about "of course he should be convicted." The problem is the scope of the problem. To us, on this board, it is about Trump. However, for many it is about a group or a movement with whom a large portion of the U.S. has identified for years. If Trump said these things and nobody listened, we wouldnt be having these threads. The problem is expecting people to look at what these people, many of whom fought like us at some point, did on Jan 6 and say they were duped like we were (the we here is Republican voters). Not many have the inner reflection to realise they were duped, and only somw of those have the most to stand up and call the leader of a movement they themselves once belonged to, a crook, a liar, and/or guilty of a high crime. I think we should moderate our expectations a bit, and not just because the voters in this trial are politicians. We should expect less because they are humans conditioned for years to believe the R stands not just for Republican, but also for righteous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcl05 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 My goodness, this new footage of Eugene Goodman. Hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 If Trump isn’t convicted it’s because republicans are willing to excuse anything for politics. The case is clear and Trump began making the case for violence long before the election. He told people that trust him that their country was being stolen. Let’s be clear here, that is a great reason to become violent. Trump told these people they had cause for violence and then assembled them on that day, pointed them the Capitol, and told them to fight to stop the steal. They did exactly what he asked of them and after the fact many of them have said exactly that. Trump shouldn’t just be barred from holding office, he should be jailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Stacey Plaskett must be on that adrenochrome cuz she's like 13 years older than me n doesn't even look forty. 😐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 30 minutes ago, Destino said: If Trump isn’t convicted it’s because republicans are willing to excuse anything for politics. This has been the case for quite a while now. This case is just the most recent and egregious example. Trump will not be convicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, China said: This has been the case for quite a while now. This case is just the most recent and egregious example. Trump will not be convicted. But Jake Tapper made a pretty good point. This impeachment trial will likely not result in a conviction, but it WILL cement his legacy. THIS is what history will remember about Donald J. Trump. Regardless of the outcome of this trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isifhan Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 All in the name of Donald Trump. The guy that used to sell ****ty steaks and tap water in a bottle and was bankrupted six times. What have we become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Dan T. said: Listening to the House Managers' detailed account of Trump's actions leading up to and after the election, it occurs to me that if Donald Trump expended half the effort fighting the pandemic as he did fighting the results of the election, the country would have been COVID-free by Thanksgiving. Trump is an evil, petty, iying sociopath. And he would have won re-election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 42 minutes ago, Dan T. said: But Jake Tapper made a pretty good point. This impeachment trial will likely not result in a conviction, but it WILL cement his legacy. THIS is what history will remember about Donald J. Trump. Regardless of the outcome of this trial. Meh. Not enough. I agree with Destino that he should be in jail. Being convicted in the Senate and prevented from ever holding public office should be a minimum. But we won't get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Wow. Castro with the hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Expect impeachment to become the norm. Whenever the White House and house are held by different parties; impeachment will happen, If the gop wins back the house 22; they will impeach Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I have a question, if found that he can't hold office, can he still RUN for office? I would love from him to be barred from running, but have his supporters write in his name when they vote. The Dems would clean up on elections until he is a dead, sack of worms in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.