A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[Bacon]

I woke up this morning and my wife had already seen the story before I could. The situation has gotten so out of comically out of hand that this is what our conversation looked like:

 

"Travis, I'm not a fan, but I've been suffering right alongside you for years. This might actually be the one."

 

"Really? Are you sure?"

 

"I just want to see your face when you see the headline..."

 

"*crosses fingers* Hookers in the basement...hookers in the basement..."

 

"You're close..."

 

"Ooh! Right hook! Down he goes!" 

 

"I feel so bad for your cheerleaders. It's always the cheerleaders."

 

"Look at the picture that they went with. What a creep. Looks like he's gonna whip it out at any moment and get away with it."

 

"You want anything from Walgreens?" 

[wilco_holland]

Forced to sell, still make a boat load of money on that investment. 

 

I don't know what happens. I try to distance myself from non football drama. But I don't want to current office structure to blow up. Rivera, Donaldson and Wright seem like interesting combo to lead this name change. Don't want some new dude come in and just be like "I like Washington Warriors, make it happen. Team colours black and maroon." 

[@DCGoldPants]

#1. The WaPo says they have the video and the team when offered to see them, passed. 

#2. The NFL should have reached out already for those videos

#3. If this ends up in some kind of ownership battle or sale. None of the minority owners should be approved by the rest of the league. Over 40 women and it's been going on for over a decade? Sorry, I can't imagine they JUST found out.

[profusion]

1 minute ago, tshile said:

 

will the outcome be different? Who knows right now. But lumping all 3 into the same general category and saying there’s nothing different this time is incorrect. 

 

Times are a little different than when the original cheerleader story came out, too. Sports has become more embroiled in the culture wars, and the owners can't just wait out the news cycle as easily.

[Dissident2]

Just now, wilco_holland said:

Forced to sell, still make a boat load of money on that investment. 

 

I don't know what happens. I try to distance myself from non football drama. But I don't want to current office structure to blow up. Rivera, Donaldson and Wright seem like interesting combo to lead this name change. Don't want some new dude come in and just be like "I like Washington Warriors, make it happen. Team colours black and maroon." 

 

I agree, but at some point, you have to look at things from a simple standpoint of right and wrong. This "man" should not own this team. I am at the point where I would accept new everything if it gets rid of Snyder. I think the three you mentioned would have a good chance of sticking around. If not, I couldn't care less if it means we lose Dan. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

1 minute ago, tshile said:

Yes... the original story was not even close to as bad as this. And the story last month never directly implicated snyder. 
 

this one is both way worse and directly implicated him. 
 

filming people naked without their permission and sharing it is all kinds of illegal. 
 

will the outcome be different? Who knows right now. But lumping all 3 into the same general category and saying there’s nothing different this time is incorrect. 

 

The article stated that they were filming the cheerleaders and "nipples were inadvertently exposed as the women shifted positions or adjusted props."  This is tantamount to a nip slip, not filming Erin Andrews as she's changing in her hotel room.  

 

Now...gathering all the nip slips and putting them together on a DVD is lecherous.  And really juvenile.   Is it enough to get him run out of the NFL, along with asking a cheerleader to go to a hotel room?  Guess we'll find out.  I personally don't think it is.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

12 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

Yeah, I think the important/new aspects of this story should have been highlighted more. They spent a lot of time regurgitating older storylines and watered things down with him being a tough boss to work for. That just detracts from him directly pimping a cheerleader out to a friend of his and suggesting they go to a hotel room and directing the raw footage of the cheerleader video be cut into a soft-core porn for the executives of the team. 

 

Exactly, exactly...

[tshile]

13 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

Now...gathering all the nip slips and putting them together on a DVD is lecherous.  And really juvenile.   Is it enough to get him run out of the NFL, along with asking a cheerleader to go to a hotel room?  Guess we'll find out.  I personally don't think it is.

Oh, yeah, probably not. Maybe. But I wouldn’t bet on it. 
 

I just don’t think coaxing cheerleaders into being arm pieces for rich people is on the same lines as secretly video taping naked women at work then sharing it with people. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by tshile

[Burgundy Yoda]

26 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

As I said, "ambivalent" aka most just tolerating him.

 

 

It's sad, but no they don't, apparently.  You and I would say differently, but in the court of public opinion and, more importantly to Goodell and the boys club NFL owners, they don't.  

 

Nothing happened to Snyder after the first cheerleading scandal.  Nothing happened to Snyder after the article last month.  Is there a reason to believe that all of a sudden they'll matter?  

 

Said it before, I'll say it again...Snyder has to say something racist to sell. You guys that are saying AS BAD AS JERRY RICHARDSON are forgetting that a big part of what got Jerry kicked out is using racial slurs.

 

Wasn't the missing piece with the first cheerleading scandal evidence linking Dan Snyder to any of it?

 

Dan Snyder is the ultimate weasel, if his name isn't linked to it he'll find a way to escape. To me it's always seemed like the reason Dan got away with everything is because he had people below him that he could just blame everything on. 

 

I hope the line isn't just drawn at racism. NFL is a joke if that's the only thing that would make them force a sale. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Burgundy Yoda

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Just now, tshile said:

Oh, yeah, probably not. Maybe. But I wouldn’t bet on it. 
 

I just don’t think coaxing cheerleaders into being arm pieces for rich people is on the same lines as secretly video taping naked girls at work then sharing it with people. 

 

It's nowhere close. Encouraging cheerleaders to hang out with rich people at a bar with no other expectations isn't much different than what any business development professional does. Is it unfair to ask girls who make less than minimum wage to do it after they've had a 12-hour day? Probably, but it isn't disgusting or horrific. These allegations are unreal and wouldn't be tolerated in any other industry. 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

12 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

#3. If this ends up in some kind of ownership battle or sale. None of the minority owners should be approved by the rest of the league. Over 40 women and it's been going on for over a decade? Sorry, I can't imagine they JUST found out.

 

Yep...was saying something similar when the first article came out. While so many people were saying "No wonder the minority owners wanted to sell," I was saying "**** the minority owners if they knew about this and the only thing they did was try to leave. They're no better than Snyder."

 

I do find it slightly interesting that none of the minority owners have been mentioned by anyone. In both the articles several of the women would say "Dan had to know...Bruce had to know". I'm trying to figure out why the minority owners aren't included in that group who "had to have known". Maybe they aren't at the facilities very often? I dunno.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Califan007

[Dissident2]

1 minute ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Now...gathering all the nip slips and putting them together on a DVD is lecherous.  And really juvenile.   Is it enough to get him run out of the NFL, along with asking a cheerleader to go to a hotel room?  Guess we'll find out.  I personally don't think it is.

 

Again, you have to take all this in context of the entire Dan Snyder Catalogue. You can't just look at the incidents in an isolated way. If this was the first issue with Snyder, there would probably be a far less chance of something happening. You're right, no one knows at this point what it will take to finally get him out, and this may not do it, but if I'm part of the NFL owners group. I'm ready to pull the trigger on this douche. 

 

You now have an EVER-GROWING collection of scandals and stories, and there's a trend here: they seem to be getting worse and more and more people are coming forward. The Post guy even said they are still pursuing new leads. This is not going to stop anytime soon, and every time this happens, the NFL takes a hit. 

 

Forcing a guy like Snyder out would be met with universal acclaim for the most part. There is literally ZERO downside for the league to force him out at this point, although I'm sure that would not happen without an investigation of their own. The longer they let this linger, the worse things look for them. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

1 minute ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

Wasn't the missing piece with the first cheerleading scandal evidence linking Dan Snyder to any of it?

 

Dan Snyder is the ultimate weasel, if his name isn't linked to it he'll find a way to escape. To me it's always seemed like the reason Dan got away with everything is because he had people below him that he could just blame everything on. 

 

I hope the line isn't just drawn at racism. NFL is a joke if that's the only thing that would make them force a sale. 

 

You're right, he is the ultimate weasel.  And he'll escape here, just watch.  

 

And I do believe the line is drawn at racism.  Again, just watch.  How many of the players are going to criticize Snyder on this?  Not a single one.  Hell, probably none of them will be *asked* about this.  

 

Snyder drops the n word or something else derogatory?  Game over.  Remember what the NBA players did when Donald Sterling got caught on tape making racist comments?  He was out of the NBA, fast.  

[Hooper]

Think about what Rivera has had to deal with since he got this job.

 

Unbelievable.

 

Snyder is going to lie low and see if this blows over. Not much else he can do. Will be interesting to see what the league does. It's so obvious the recent hires by Snyder were done to cover his butt. So gross.

[Bacon]

I'm not popping the champagne yet. 

 

But I will literally pop champagne when it inevitably happens. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

1 minute ago, Dissident2 said:

 

Again, you have to take all this in context of the entire Dan Snyder Catalogue. You can't just look at the incidents in an isolated way. If this was the first issue with Snyder, there would probably be a far less chance of something happening. You're right, no one knows at this point what it will take to finally get him out, and this may not do it, but if I'm part of the NFL owners group. I'm ready to pull the trigger on this douche. 

 

You now have an EVER-GROWING collection of scandals and stories, and there's a trend here: they seem to be getting worse and more and more people are coming forward. The Post guy even said they are still pursuing new leads. This is not going to stop anytime soon, and every time this happens, the NFL takes a hit. 

 

Forcing a guy like Snyder out would be met with universal acclaim for the most part. There is literally ZERO downside for the league to force him out at this point, although I'm sure that would not happen without an investigation of their own. The longer they let this linger, the worse things look for them. 

 

Sure you can look at the incidents in an isolated way.  He's been a ****ty owner, I don't deny that, not for a second.  But that's the entire Dan Snyder Catalogue, being a ****ty owner, a bad team, a bad culture.  That's not enough to force him out, as much as I wish it could.  And I agree, there's zero downside for the league to force him out.

 

I hope that the Post doesn't stop and I hope they find more.  But as it stands on Wednesday afternoon at 1:40 pm, I just don't think this is enough.

[Burgundy Yoda]

6 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

You're right, he is the ultimate weasel.  And he'll escape here, just watch.  

 

And I do believe the line is drawn at racism.  Again, just watch.  How many of the players are going to criticize Snyder on this?  Not a single one.  Hell, probably none of them will be *asked* about this.  

 

Snyder drops the n word or something else derogatory?  Game over.  Remember what the NBA players did when Donald Sterling got caught on tape making racist comments?  He was out of the NBA, fast.  

Nobody is going to ask the question because there are non disclosure agreements that every employee of the team signs. The media knows about this. Why would a player answer questions about Snyder when their livelihoods are at risk anyways? Snyder would cut any player that talked out of line. 

 

More will probably come to light. It feels like he's going to be slowly bled dry. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

2 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

Nobody is going to ask the question because there are non disclosure agreements that every employee of the team signs. The media knows about this. Why would a player answer questions about Snyder when their livelihoods are at risk anyways? Snyder would cut any player that talked out of line. 

 

More will probably come to light. It feels like he's going to be slowly bled dry. 

 

Dunno, why would Kap take a knee?  I'm sure if a player felt strongly about this, they'd say something.  Pretty sure there was an NFL player last year, I can't remember who or which team that criticized the team owner.  

 

[FootballZombie]

8 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

 Pretty sure there was an NFL player last year, I can't remember who or which team that criticized the team owner.  

 

 

Yannick Ngakoue?

 

He called everybody out so loudly it woke ME up

 

He wants to go to a new team though. New person signing the checks

 

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by FootballZombie

[Bacon]

Quote

What the cheerleaders didn’t know was that another video, intended strictly for private use, would be produced using footage from that same shoot. Set to classic rock, the 10-minute unofficial video featured moments when nipples were inadvertently exposed as the women shifted positions or adjusted props.

 

Gonna guess the soundtrack included selections of:

 

"You Shook Me All Night Long" 

"Feel Like Makin' Love" 

"Black Betty" (for the African American cheerleader montage) 

"Rock and Roll, Hoochie Koo" 

 

Boy, I sure do hate this franchise. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Bacon

[Bifflog]

I'm good with whatever happens so long as the team doesn't wind up in San Antonio.  That would suck.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Bifflog

[86 Snyder]

The minority partners have made it clear they are going to the mattresses on this.  I think there are still worse details we don't yet know.  The NFL is going to have to conduct its own investigation now.  Eventually those details will start to emerge.

 

What has already been revealed MIGHT be enough to force him out.  I think it is, but we shall see.  If it isn't, it may turn out all those rumors floated on the eve of the story might just start to get dropped one by one until Snyder decides hes had enough.

 

The story could get much uglier still.

[Bacon]

Quote

Former cheerleader Tiffany Bacon Scourby said Snyder approached her at a 2004 charity event at which the cheerleaders were performing and suggested she join his close friend in a hotel room so they “could get to know each other better.” Scourby’s account was supported by three friends she spoke to shortly afterward about the alleged incident, including the team’s former cheerleader director.

 

Sex trafficking.

 

Bye bye. 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

The article is a damning indictment into Snyder's complete lack of understanding into what it takes to build and manage a successful NFL enterprise. By default, there WILL be misogynistic behavior and attitudes because, like it or not, this is a heavily male-influenced industry. But that doesn't excuse any owner from doing what's necessary to at least minimize the behavior if not eliminate it outright. Dan not only seems to have done little, his overall management style at the very least helped foster the toxic work environment.

 

Not sure if that's enough, though, to force him to sell. Might be. The videotaping thing is inexcusable but not sure how much it directly points to Snyder having anything to do with it. Three different people in the article talked about the "Best Of" video put together of the cheerleader photo shoots. All three of them mentioned Larry. Only one of them mentioned Dan, and that was hearing it 2nd hand from Larry. Could be argued that Larry lied and said it was for Dan. Could be that when Larry said it was for an "executive meeting" (or whatever the video title was) that the person recalling the moment just assumed he meant Snyder and is retelling the moment as if it was obvious that Larry meant Snyder even if he didn't say so. Bottom line is, it might be too vague to be some sort of smoking gun. The article rehashed stuff from the previous article, so it's not 100% new info.

 

Asking the cheerleader to go up to a hotel room with Roberts is vile. Unless there is more coming soon, though, it's a little strange that in 21 years of ownership that apparently was the one and only time Snyder did anything like this...between two expose' articles you'd think his name would come up more than one time. Also wild that this article didn't mention either Bruce or Vinny...being as close to Dan as they allegedly were, that's a bit surprising to be left out of the proceedings. The minority owners are never mentioned, either. Can it all be hidden from the very top brass? Unlikely. And even if it was it's still ultimately Snyder's responsibility as owner so there's no excuse. I have known a few business owners who were oblivious to the goings-on among execs and employees, mostly because execs kept the owner in the dark and employees didn't want to cause waves. and that's with the owners on-site 90% of the time. Hell, even I was an owner who was kept in the dark lol --although I did eventually learn of some stuff and when I did, I took care of it immediately. So it's possible, even if unlikely.

 

 

 

 

[FrFan]

I'm wondering what Brucifer has to say about this disgusting mess