A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[veteranskinsfan]

I can see two billionaires fighting in court unless the NFL gets involved first.  Jeff Bezos can accuse Snyder of maintaining a toxic work environment and running an NFL franchise into the ground.  Snyder can accuse Bezos of using the Washington Post to write damaging stories about the franchise.  Meanwhile the employees who were negatively affected have hired lawyers like Gloria Allred who has represented women all over the US who have been harassed in the workplace.  Snyder is feeling the heat and his partners are putting pressure on him too.  The fans are so tired of 20 years of non-sense and a poorly run franchise.   As long as Snyder remains majority owner there is nothing the new Mr. Wright or Miss Donaldson can do to change their toxic workplace culture.  Both of them will regret joining the team now.  They should have waited until a new owner was put in place before accepting any position with the team.

Edited August 26, 2020 by veteranskinsfan
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[Skinsinparadise]

3. Twenty-five more women who worked for the team said they experienced sexual harassment while employed by the organization

The women, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity because they had signed nondisclosure agreements or fear reprisal, described instances in which male colleagues made comments about their bodies or clothing or made unwanted advances.

One of those women, Alicia Klein, who interned with the team in 2010, called the harassment “pervasive” and didn’t tell anyone “because it was embarrassing and demeaning.”

 

Brittany Pareti, who worked in the team’s community and charitable programs from 2007 to 2012, said, “it was fresh meat to a pack of wolves every time a new pack of interns would come in.”

 

4. Women felt uncomfortable and marginalized while working for the team

Megan Imbert, a former producer in the broadcast department, said Snyder “led by fear.” Other female former employees described rules for his executive assistants that included stocking his bar with Crown Royal XR and folding the toilet paper in his personal restroom with a hotel-style point.

 

“He denigrated people,” Susan Miller, the former president of an employee referral agency who stopped sending people to work for the team said. “He treated women like servants.”

 

Female employees said they were instructed to have male co-workers perform tasks that involved going to the first floor of the team headquarters, where the players’ locker rooms and weight rooms are located. Four women said the implication, made clear in follow-up instructions by team executives, was that they were “a distraction” to players. Women in sales and marketing said they had to tell clients to walk themselves down the stairs between the main level and the first floor on visits to practice while those female employees walked around the building, down a steep hill to meet their clients outside.

 

5. Attempts to change the culture were squashed

 

Some of the women who used to work for the team said the human resources department was inadequate and did not enforce allegations of harassment. Several employees said they hoped the culture would change in 2018, when Snyder hired Brian Lafemina, a senior vice president at the NFL, as the franchise’s president of business operations and chief operating officer.

 

One former employee, Rachel Engleson, a senior director of marketing and client services, said she took complaints about harassment from Michael to Lafemina and two of Lafemina’s deputies, who she described “as horrified.” Lafemina was fired eight months after joining the team.

Michael denied Engleson’s allegations but admitted to making one inappropriate remark to her.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/26/takeaways-washington-football-team-story/

[Dissident2]

20 ****ing years of this garbage, and it gets worse every year. I WANT MY ****ING TEAM BACK! The NFL MUST ACT ON THIS!

 

/allcaps

[Gurgeh]

What does a billionaire have to do before they are held accountable?

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

This part flows with some other stories about the dude.  I shared this story once. It's my only sort of second hand story about Dan that was shared with me once at Disney while waiting at the buffet line where an Eagles fan saw my Redskins shirt and started chatting with me.  He said we don't deserve Dan and then told a story of a friend who was a limo driver who took Dan and his mom to some venue and Dan berated the driver a bunch.  And then Dan's mom went to the driver afterward and apologized for his behavior.  But the I am rich-autocratic-Napoleon complex seems to fit the profile. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/26/redskins-cheerleaders-video-daniel-snyder-washington/?arc404=true

Those who work directly for Snyder heed a long list of protocols, according to three former executive assistants: Don’t speak too loudly; never eat in front of him; don’t go to the bathroom unless another assistant is available to cover the phones; don’t take a lunch break, but if you must eat at your desk, make sure the food doesn’t smell; clean the owner’s desk each morning, ensuring that his calendar and daily kitchen menu are in the proper locations and that his paper clips all face the same direction.

[Cooleyfan1993]

If only it didn’t cost money to actually read the article😑 **** you Washington Post!! 

[Spaceman Spiff]

29 minutes ago, Dissident2 said:

 

I couldn't disagree more. Number one, If it's true he asked for the video of the cheerleaders nude, that in and of itself should be enough to get him to sell. That would get any CEO fired. Then all the other things in this story (asking a woman to join his friend in his hotel room), COMBINED with everything in the past and who the hell knows what's to come .... ? The NFL already looks bad for doing basically nothing about the cheerleader scandal from a few years ago. If they don't act now, with all this ... it's just incomprehensible. A man everyone hates. A man who consistently makes the NFL look bad. A man who has single-handedly turned a once proud franchise into a DEBASED culture now ... not even a "laughing stock" anymore .... how this can not get the NFL to act would be utterly beyond me. I don't know if I can continue to even support the sport if they don't at this point. 

 

33 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

 

The guy allegedly tried to pimp out one of his cheerleaders, what more is needed?

 

40 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

I think there is a fighting chance with that article.  Between the cheerleader story, the sexual harassment one and Dan now directly implicated in some of these stories -- then you pile onto it that most of the owners supposedly don't like him (and they can vote him out) and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that his ownership has not been healthy in the DMV -- there might be enough in the soup.  And as Galdi pointed out, this might not be the end of it.  Investigative reporting often comes in multiple layers. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen.  But I think we're all a bit blinded in our distaste for the man that we're grasping at anything we can in order give us hope that it can happen.

 

Is it this article enough?  I hope so, but I don't think it is.  Here's the deal:  You can't just run him out of town because he's not liked. We've got some salacious stories here, some allegedly lecherous behavior that happened a long time ago.  I'm not sure the NFL owners can just get someone to sell a team because he's not liked.  And I'm not sure if this article is enough for them to have a leg to stand on.  Even if the owners got together tomorrow and said "Dan, you're out" do you think he'd go away quietly?  No, he'd turn right around and sue the league and the owners.  Hell, he's already suing people that spread rumors about him before the other article came out last month.  

 

Maybe there's more information to come, maybe there's actual tangible evidence out there that could get Dan forced out.  I just don't think this is enough.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Spaceman Spiff

[Skinsinparadise]

This is what the NFL gets for not scraping Daniel Snyder off its shoe before now. “The good bits” is the phrase that will haunt the league. That’s the description of the soft porn videos of cheerleaders; outtakes of nipples and crotches inadvertently exposed and intentionally collected, allegedly for the enjoyment of some of the juvy little pervs in the Washington football club’s upper management.

 

Snyder’s fellow owners have been reluctant to force a sale of the Washington Football Team merely on the grounds of his shoddy business practices. They lacked the will to get rid of him, and now they’re going to have to eat his dog food. They find themselves guilty by association with a business that produced bootleg porn, with an owner who former cheerleader Tiffany Bacon Scourby says tried to send her to the hotel room of one of his old high school buddies. They’re partners with a man who sank a flagship organization, leaving behind a smutty storefront. If they don’t purge this guy from their ranks, they own his franchise’s misdeeds, past and future.

Snyder has always been a classless punk who tried to cover for himself with expensive cigar waving. But the conduct toward women detailed by scores of former franchise employees is something else entirely and can’t be read without an immediate urge to scrub with a grease-cutting detergent. You already knew about the 17 women who accused the organization of a pattern of sexual harassment. Now there are 25 more — that’s 42 in all — who allege misconduct, including accusations against Snyder directly, which depict an organization so slimy it provokes an inarticulate cry of “Gah!”

 

Then there are those indisputable, ogling, invasive voyeur videos. They exist. And The Washington Post has them, courtesy of appalled former team employees.

It’s one thing for the league to put up with a dissolute twerp who is sure to deliver a doormat team and who can be fleeced out of high draft choices with laughable ease. If Snyder’s idea of running a franchise was to send menials scurrying for more whisky ice, the other owners were happy to accept the free if sloppy proceeds. Snyder has wrecked nine different coaches and been through 21 different quarterbacks in two decades without ever threatening to win so much as a stuffed animal. If he wanted to give up a second-round pick for a patently past-it Donovan McNabb and offer $100 million for a blatantly goldbricking Albert Haynesworth, why, the other owners were glad to have him do it.

 

They obviously enjoyed preying on such a conspicuous fool.

 

...Owners don’t like meddling in each other’s matters, and few of them have the credibility to criticize from an indisputably higher ground. But this is not about a single billionaire’s bad behavior or shabby practices or price gouging. It’s about a face-of-the-league franchise in the nation’s capital engaging in such prolonged and encompassing misogyny and degeneracy that there will be years of litigation ahead. Snyder’s tenure has not just embarrassed every one of his fellow owners, including supposedly dignified municipal ambassadors such as John Mara of the New York Giants, Arthur Blank of the Atlanta Falcons and Clark Hunt of the Kansas City Chiefs. More than that, his organization has exposed them.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/26/daniel-snyder-nfl-washington/

Edited August 26, 2020 by Skinsinparadise

[Dissident2]

6 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

If only it didn’t cost money to actually read the article😑 **** you Washington Post!! 

 

It doesn't. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

 

Also, a tip of the cap to the WaPo for continuing to investigate and keep the pedal to the metal on this.  If they can come up with more on Snyder to get him forced out, that'd be quite a coup.

[Skinsinparadise]

12 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen.  But I think we're all a bit blinded in our distaste for the man that we're grasping at anything we can in order give us hope that it can happen.

 

Is it this article enough?  I hope so, but I don't think it is.  Here's the deal:  You can't just run him out of town because he's not liked. We've got some salacious stories here, some allegedly lecherous behavior that happened a long time ago.  I'm not sure the NFL owners can just get someone to sell a team because he's not liked. 

 

It's beyond salacious stories.  His part in the culture there is very evident in that story.   That was leg three in these stories about women.  100 employees as sources is a lot.

 

I agree that him not being liked has nothing to do with being removed as an owner but it might have some relevance if he wants his fellow owner's benefit of the doubt.

 

Galdi and Doc didn't think the last story would do Dan in.  they seem to think this story might.  I don't think it's just some fan pipe dream right now where we are being far fetched.    It's not a given.   But at the moment, I think there is a fighting chance.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Skinsinparadise

[Dissident2]

5 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

Maybe there's more information to come, maybe there's actual tangible evidence out there that could get Dan forced out.  I just don't think this is enough.

 

This isn't a court of law, so they don't necessarily NEED a smoking gun to act here, even though I think this article is VERY close to being a smoking gun. 

 

From what I glean from the article, the Post HAS this video that's talked about. You've got two people in the article saying it was demanded by Snyder, one on the record. You've got a third saying Larry asked for it, but why would anyone believe Larry would ask for some produced video for himself? He probably could've just grabbed those clips any time he wanted to. 

 

Then you've got specific comments from a woman saying Snyder asked her to join his friend in a hotel room. 

 

You've got SCORES of women (and some men) talking about the horrible culture there, you've got ANOTHER cheerleader scandal from just a few years ago, you've got the shrinking market of the team to the point of embarrassment ... why WOULD the NFL want this guy around at this point?? They have to be insane to not force him out. 

 

This story in particular isn't going to just disappear after a week like the last one did. There are going to be HUGE lawsuits here from the cheerleaders. Those will go on for months/years. During that time, you think nothing else is going to come out? Stories like these tend to inspire more to come forward. I bet we haven't even seen the worst of it yet. Even this story says that people were inspired to come out after the last story. What's coming next? 

 

The NFL is INSANE not to act decisively and harshly right now. Yes, I desperately want that to happen, but I'm hearing plenty of non-fans saying the same thing. 

[Skinsinparadise]

3 minutes ago, Dissident2 said:

 

This story in particular isn't going to just disappear after a week like the last one did. There are going to be HUGE lawsuits here from the cheerleaders. Those will go on for months/years. During that time, you think nothing else is going to come out? Stories like these tend to inspire more to come forward. I bet we haven't even seen the worst of it yet. Even this story says that people were inspired to come out after the last story. What's coming next? 

 

The NFL is INSANE not to act decisively and harshly right now. Yes, I desperately want that to happen, but I'm hearing plenty of non-fans saying the same thing. 

 

Yep and we are dealing with a very politically charged environment especially as to the treatment of women.  It's different now (for the better) versus years ago.  After the NFL got criticized for how they handled Ray Rice, they adjusted after that.  This is really heavy handed story about the treatment of women.  Years ago the NFL basically blew off the cheerleading story.  Then we got the sexual harassment story.  Now this.  I'd be really surprised if the NFL has a shrug their shoulders response to this one.  Will see.

 

I can see them giving Dan some leeway on the previous story because he wasn't implicated.  But now he is implicated.  

Edited August 26, 2020 by Skinsinparadise

[kleese]

My gut tells me this still isn’t enough for a forced removal because the actual allegations that directly involve Snyder are still very much he said/she said. And the most damaging piece here (the video) is an accusation that one former employee asked for it so he could show the owner— no evidence that Snyder asked for it or even ever saw it. We can all assume, but assumptions won’t get someone ousted. I don’t think the direct allegations are enough to move the needle to removal. The ONE lingering hope would be the old NCAA “lack of institutional control” thing. MAYBE this pushes that far enough to get something done. But I doubt it. 
 

 

[Cooleyfan1993]

10 minutes ago, Dissident2 said:

 

It doesn't. 

It does. I dont have a subscription, so i cant read the article online without subscribing. Which i dont want to do. Why is it so difficult to just let people read the article online for free? 

[Conn]

17 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

If only it didn’t cost money to actually read the article😑 **** you Washington Post!! 

Yeah who wants to support the free press and help uphold the Fourth Estate, only the literal linchpin to any wannabe democracy . It’s incredibly cheap, man. Spend a few bucks or use incognito mode. Complaining that investigative journalism that took tons of hours and lots of work isn’t free is...interesting. 

[spjunkies]

The guy who wrote the article is coming on with Brian Mitchell in 10 minutes. Might be an interesting listen. 

[Cooleyfan1993]

1 minute ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Yeah who wants to support the free press and help uphold the Fourth Estate, only the literal linchpin to any wannabe democracy . It’s incredibly cheap, man. Spend a few bucks or use incognito mode. Complaining that investigative journalism that took tons of hours and lots of work isn’t free is...interesting. 

I have BILLS to pay, i pay for transportation to and from work, i dont want to pay for a subscription, it’s stupid that people can’t just read an online news article without subscribing. I dont think I’m wrong in having that opinion 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Spaceman Spiff]

1 minute ago, Dissident2 said:

 

This isn't a court of law, so they don't necessarily NEED a smoking gun to act here, even though I think this article is VERY close to being a smoking gun. 

 

From what I glean from the article, the Post HAS this video that's talked about. You've got two people in the article saying it was demanded by Snyder, one on the record. You've got a third saying Larry asked for it, but why would anyone believe Larry would ask for some produced video for himself? He probably could've just grabbed those clips any time he wanted to. 

 

Then you've got specific comments from a woman saying Snyder asked her to join his friend in a hotel room. 

 

You've got SCORES of women (and some men) talking about the horrible culture there, you've got ANOTHER cheerleader scandal from just a few years ago, you've got the shrinking market of the team to the point of embarrassment ... why WOULD the NFL want this guy around at this point?? They have to be insane to not force him out. 

 

This story in particular isn't going to just disappear after a week like the last one did. There are going to be HUGE lawsuits here from the cheerleaders. Those will go on for months/years. During that time, you think nothing else is going to come out? Stories like these tend to inspire more to come forward. I bet we haven't even seen the worst of it yet. Even this story says that people were inspired to come out after the last story. What's coming next? 

 

The NFL is INSANE not to act decisively and harshly right now. Yes, I desperately want that to happen, but I'm hearing plenty of non-fans saying the same thing. 

 

You can't get rid of Snyder just because the culture of the team is ****.  If you could, it'd already have been done by now.  It would have been done a long time ago.  

 

Yes, the Post has the video, it seems.  Some people said that Snyder demanded it, all he has to do is deny it.  And have Julie Donaldson deny it.  I feel bad for her, it puts her in a pretty ****ty situation.  And you've got a former cheerleader (who still, IIRC, does stuff for the team, not a good look) who said that he asked her to join his friend in a hotel room.  Pervy, lecherous, gross?  Absolutely.  Enough to get him to sell the team?  Remains to be seen.  I'm not banking on it, I'm not banking that THIS IS IT for Dan Snyder.  You're forgetting that the NFL's record on women is pretty terrible.

 

And I'm not banking on it being the end for Dan Snyder because he's a ****roach.  He's survived a lot and yet he's still here.  As you've pointed out, scores of women, a cheerleader scandal from a few years ago and...he's still here.  Dan still survives, somehow, some way.  

 

I hope you're right, I hope more come forward and we haven't seen the worst of it.  For me, as gross as these allegations are, I just don't think it's enough for him to be forced out.

 

What I'm really waiting for and I think the undeniable silver bullet for Danny would be racial allegations.  It's a slam dunk that he's out of here if the Post can unearth something like that.

[Dissident2]

1 minute ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

I have BILLS to pay, i pay for transportation to and from work, i dont want to pay for a subscription, it’s stupid that people can’t just read an online news article without subscribing. I dont think I’m wrong in having that opinion 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

People I've sent the link to said it was free. I got it early and it did ask for a subscription, but it was $1 for four weeks, and I can cancel any time. But others have told me it's free, so I don't know. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/26/redskins-cheerleaders-video-daniel-snyder-washington/?arc404=true

 

[Warhead36]

It requires 3/4 of the owners to force another owner to sell. That's not happening. Sexual harassment probably happens in almost every other organization(but perhaps not to this extent)and they won't set that precedent.

 

Its disgusting but at the very least it seems like Snyder is taking steps to remedy it by firing a lot of the people and bringing in new leadership. He just needs to let them do their thing.

[Skinsinparadise]

Just listened to Liz Clark speaking about it, some of it.

 

They have possession of the videos which they were willing to share with the team but they declined to see them.

 

The lewd sexual video was mostly outtakes where cheerleaders were naked when they weren't supposed to be, dropped their shirt too far -- or something like that.   One source described the video being done for management,the other saying it was specifically for Dan. 

 

They outlined all of this to the team about 8 days ago to give them an opportunity to respond to the allegations in play.  They didn't respond.  So the WP finally decided to publish the story. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Skinsinparadise

[Warhead36]

4 minutes ago, Dissident2 said:

 

People I've sent the link to said it was free. I got it early and it did ask for a subscription, but it was $1 for four weeks, and I can cancel any time. But others have told me it's free, so I don't know. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/26/redskins-cheerleaders-video-daniel-snyder-washington/?arc404=true

 

I read it through the link via Reddit post and it was completely free.

[tshile]

4 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

I have BILLS to pay, i pay for transportation to and from work, i dont want to pay for a subscription, it’s stupid that people can’t just read an online news article without subscribing. I dont think I’m wrong in having that opinion 🤷🏻‍♂️

The original story isn’t paywalled

 

carpenters summary is

 

you can get around the paywall by using private browsing. Not hard not new. 
 

and the people putting in the work you want to read also have bills to pay. Do you work for free?

 

christ

 

[Skinsinparadise]

2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

It requires 3/4 of the owners to force another owner to sell. That's not happening. Sexual harassment probably happens in almost every other organization(but perhaps not to this extent)and they won't set that precedent.

 

Its disgusting but at the very least it seems like Snyder is taking steps to remedy it by firing a lot of the people and bringing in new leadership. He just needs to let them do their thing.

 

I think your post is relevant to the previous story.  but what is Dan specifically doing about himself?  The last story was about everyone else.  This story is largely about him.    It's not purely about cleaning up his employees if the allegations in this story are true.

 

While I agree with some that this isn't a lock for him to be removed.  I don't think it's a crazy proposition at this point.    At the very least i don't think the league will just shrug this story off.  will see.