China Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 The St Louis couple pardoned for aiming guns at Black Lives Matter protesters showed up to support Kyle Rittenhouse at his trial The St Louis couple who pointed their guns at a Black Lives Matter marchers traveled to Kyle Rittenhouse's trial to support him. Mark McCloskey, with his wife Patricia standing by, told reporters at the Kenosha County Courthouse on Monday that Rittenhouse is a victim of "cancel culture" and that the couple wants him to be acquitted. "We feel for Mr Rittenhouse, we think he acted in self-defense," Mark McCloskey told Fox News. "We think he's been politically prosecuted, as were we, and we're hoping that the jury finds him not guilty on all counts and he can go home a free man." The comments chimed with Rittenhouse's defense attorney Mark Richards who argued in his closing statement that prosecutors made a "political case" against him. Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger, representing the prosecution, said it was impossible to say Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense when he brought a gun and was "provoking" others. Protesters outside the court hollered and waved signs both against and in support of Rittenhouse during a portion of McCloskey's comments to the media, as seen in a video by freelance reporter Sergio Olmos. McCloskey and his wife, both lawyers themselves, were fined for misdemeanors after they pointed guns at Black Lives Matter protesters marching through their gated St Louis, Missouri, community in June 2020. They were later pardoned by Missouri Governor Mark Parson. Both the McCloskey case and the Rittenhouse trial have become celebrated rightwing causes, with their supporters saying they are test cases for gun rights and free speech. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, China said: The St Louis couple pardoned for aiming guns at Black Lives Matter protesters showed up to support Kyle Rittenhouse at his trial Ah, yes, that's who i want on my side to prove I acted in self defense as I shot protestors with an assault rifle: criminals convicted for threatening protestors with an assault rifle. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CjSuAvE22 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said: Hot take incoming… From it’s onset, BLM has been used as a cover by both fringe righty and fringe lefty to exact chaos and destruction upon our economic and political stability. It always starts with bonafide peaceful marches in the daylight and then out come the ghouls…”which is the way he wants it, well he gets it!”…17YO ammosexual doofuses, 20something felon losers, fat ass lazy cops, the full diorama of pale suburban Twitter sophomore patriot super-genius. Broke as a joke, armed to the teeth and so very, very stupid. Whatever the jury decides to do with this bag of feral cats they’ve been handed, I hope they have enough emotional and financial stability to disappear from public view for a few months afterwards…with middle fingers held high throughout. Pretty accurate take, at least we agree on this. Lol I almost asked what ammosexual meant, they need to do something about it all the day time protests were peaceful it was only at night time that people started acted up, if you have a curfew enforce it and send everyone home. Edited November 17, 2021 by CjSuAvE22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Listening to WTOP this morning, they played a clip of the judge from I guess last night, calling in the two teams to let them know the jury was still deliberating and then gave rittenhouse weird words of assurance or encouragement, thanking him for his patience and such It’s a shame this case involves an idiotic prosecution team and this odd/weird/biased judge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Kind of bad optics to allow Rittenhouse to “pick” his ow jurors. I mean I think the kid was only drawing lots, but given the cloud of favoritism and bias because of this judge’s rulings and behavior, inviting the kid to pick the jurors like he was a game show contestant just smells bad. 38 minutes ago, tshile said: It’s a shame this case involves an idiotic prosecution team and this odd/weird/biased judge. The judge is a major reason why some distrust this process and will think a not guilty verdict is nothing but a miscarriage of justice. He has gone out of his way to unduly prejudice the proceedings. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Big, if true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ball Security said: Big, if true. The fake moon landing would be big, if true, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Larry said: The fake moon landing would be big, if true, too. The above tweet is a play on the Judge allowing Rittenhouse to pick his own alternate jurors. Technically, the judge allowed Rittenouse to draw the lots that signaled who would be signed as alternate jurors, so it was still randomized, but it's still unusual to let the defendant do it. My understanding is that this is almost always an assignment handed to the county clerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Burgold said: The above tweet is a play on the Judge allowing Rittenhouse to pick his own alternate jurors. Technically, the judge allowed Rittenouse to draw the lots that signaled who would be signed as alternate jurors, so it was still randomized, but it's still unusual to let the defendant do it. My understanding is that this is almost always an assignment handed to the county clerk. And my point was that "fake moon landing" is a more believable thought than "Rittenhouse serves as 13th juror". It's a well phrased joke. It's not "Big, if true". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I'm sure the judge will have big boy Kyle on his lap and softly tussle the kids hair while the verdicts are read. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, Larry said: And my point was that "fake moon landing" is a more believable thought than "Rittenhouse serves as 13th juror". It's a well phrased joke. It's not "Big, if true". Wait, do you think I thought that tweet could be true? 😂 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 This judge needs to stop complaining about outside matters. Griping about "the media..." He just seems ill-suited for this role. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Can’t wait til we can move on from this case and concentrate on the debacle of the Arbery case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, PartyPosse said: Can’t wait til we can move on from this case and concentrate on the debacle of the Arbery case. Care to summarize? All the media attention is on the Rittenhouse case. I haven't been actively following this one yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CjSuAvE22 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: Care to summarize? All the media attention is on the Rittenhouse case. I haven't been actively following this one yet. This one is terrible, 3 guys basically assume a black kid is out robbing a home that under construction so they chase him down and attempt a citizens arrest a brawl with one of the idiots thats carrying a shotgun i believe and the black kid is shot with it. But instead of just calling the police and letting them handle it they went out of their way chased the guy down and murdered him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Additionally the judge basically said it appears obvious the jury selection was based on racism but he couldn’t do anything about it. and he yelled at the defense for something racist the other day. I forget the details While I think that case is much more cut and dry, and the judge appears to not be biased like in rittenhouse, the setting just reeks of them getting off for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, CjSuAvE22 said: This one is terrible, 3 guys basically assume a black kid is out robbing a home that under construction so they chase him down and attempt a citizens arrest a brawl with one of the idiots thats carrying a shotgun i believe and the black kid is shot with it. But instead of just calling the police and letting them handle it they went out of their way chased the guy down and murdered him. Didn’t they all have shotguns? He was shot more than once in an abandoned home under construction. Same crap where they’re citing self-defense when Arbery allegedly fought for the gun out of fear for his own safety. This should be a much more open and shut case…. you’d think. The defense already tried for a mistrial because the mom cried in the courtroom looking at pictures of her dead son and because there were leaders from the African American community sitting with her (I believe it was Jesse Jackson?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, CjSuAvE22 said: This one is terrible, 3 guys basically assume a black kid is out robbing a home that under construction so they chase him down and attempt a citizens arrest a brawl with one of the idiots thats carrying a shotgun i believe and the black kid is shot with it. But instead of just calling the police and letting them handle it they went out of their way chased the guy down and murdered him. I should have clarified - I know about the case, I was more referring to him describing the trial as a 'debacle'. I haven't been paying attention to it thus far, but from everything I saw and read when these guys were arrested - it seems much more cut and dry than the Rittenhouse case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, tshile said: and he yelled at the defense for something racist the other day. I forget the details Probably referring to this beauty (or the one later when he said this wasnt a Lakers game) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I laugh, but I cry. Maaaaaannnnnnnn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: I laugh, but I cry. Maaaaaannnnnnnn. Right. Its not even that racist. But come on man lol. You could have not said that and it would have made no difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: I haven't been paying attention to it thus far, but from everything I saw and read when these guys were arrested - it seems much more cut and dry than the Rittenhouse case. Yeah. there would have to be some damning piece of info we don’t have in my opinion. Like that he was actually stealing. Even then I’m unsure how Georgia law would handle that. they case has had a lot of moments with the judge. Like arguments over evidence that the defendants had confederate flag stickers on their truck and stuff like that. my understanding is the judge has worked pretty hard to do a good job with these though. I’m still perplexed about tge 11 white juror thing because it’s just odd to me that a judge can sit there and declare on public record that a fundamental aspect of a fair trial (jury selection) has been compromised by racism/bias/prejudice, and then say he can’t do anything about it. but the defense is doing everything they can. And honestly I’m ok with that, that’s their job. What I don’t like is when the state colors outside the lines, or when the judge appears to be heavily biased (either way, but I’m way less angry when they’re biased towards the defense because I think the system is supposed to be that way, but I think the system should always be that way for everyone, and we can tell it’s not and racism plays a big role in that, so it’s complicated for me) 1 minute ago, Llevron said: Right. Its not even that racist. But come on man lol. You could have not said that and it would have made no difference I actually think he’s right in making the argument. those figures are distractions. They’ve made their entire living off that. Anytime they show up anywhere you know exactly what it’s about and what they’ll say. I do not think he was wrong for taking issue and trying to stop it. Although I would have thought he’d word it a little more eloquently 😂 but… I think the judge is also right that they’re allowed to be there, they’ve done nothing wrong, and he won’t decide “black pastors” can’t be in there because that’s racist… that he’s holding everyone to the same standard of etiquette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, tshile said: but… I think the judge is also right that they’re allowed to be there, they’ve done nothing wrong, and he won’t decide “black pastors” can’t be in there because that’s racist… that he’s holding everyone to the same standard of etiquette. I agree. He put it very well that so long as they (and everyone) conform to the expectations of courtroom etiquette then there’s no reason they, or anyone for that matter, shouldn’t be allowed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 For the Arbery trial, prosecution could have exercised their rights more after voir dire to get more people of color. Both the prosecution and the defense rested on that jury. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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