Serious Question: Do you regret letting Cousins go?

[bakedtater1]

What confuses me is..is the skins didnt want to throw all that money to kirk because why?..they felt he wasnt a franchise qb?..I believe that's what it was...but than throw the money to an aging vet in alex?..

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said:

What confuses me is..is the skins didnt want to throw all that money to kirk because why?..they felt he wasnt a franchise qb?..I believe that's what it was...but than throw the money to an aging vet in alex?..

Per usual, the Redskins were late to the party so they tried to make up for it by bringing an overpriced bottle as a gift.  Decent QB's cost a lot - Rodgers, Wilsons, Brees, and Brady's don't grow on trees, and the other guys get paid just the same.  Even if you draft a top tier QB, by the time they and/or the team are any good - they'll want a top of the market contract as well.  So you either pay the guy you have and figure out what you need to do to have a chance with him or you try to hit the lottery with a good enough QB on a rookie deal with a great team around him, and then be willing to part ways with the good enough rookie when it comes time to re-up.

 

All that said, I think it's rather clear that Bruce Allen has absolutely no idea how to build a good to great team around a QB, so it's all rather irrelevant.  

[veteranskinsfan]

Even if we had kept Kirk it is abundantly clear based on this season that the Skins were not close to being a contender.  If you look at how the Vikings beat the Cowboys it was a total team effort last night and Cousins was the game manager.   Do not think Cousins can win a Super Bowl.  But he can get you in the playoffs every other year.  Right now for the Skins expecting to make the playoffs is a pipe dream until Allen leave, new General Manager arrives and new Head Coach is picked by new General Manager AND not picked by the Danny.

[bakedtater1]

I agree with the above quote...we're absolutely trash with or with out kirk here..GOOD ****ING GODS ****ING FIRE BRUCE ****ING ALLEN ALL ****ING READY FOR ****S SAKES!!!! WHOLY **** **** YOU BRUCE..**** YOU!!

[SkinsFTW]

I definitely don't regret them letting KC go. They were never going to win a SB and all he did was make them believe that they were CLOSE.

 

Hilariously, Bumbling Bruce and Doofus Dan STILL believe that they are CLOSE regardless.

[RandyHolt]

I think it's rather clear that Bruce Allen has absolutely no idea how to even form a consensus within his team, on who the teams QB should be.

 

He lucked into Cousins, after Mike seemingly drafted him out of spite. Dan wanted 3 and got him. Doug Williams, Senior Vice President of Player Personnel had no idea that we were trading for Alex Smith.  Dan met with 1 player before the draft, the guy his son went to school with. Now we hear whispers that not all in Ashburn want Haskins, after months of hearing our coach didn't want him.

 

Long and short we still don't even know if we should regret letting Cousins go, as he flounders between stud and fumblerooskie dud.

[CommanderDOOM]

Only regret is we didn't roll with Colt but then instead signed Smith, gave up a 3rd and traded the VT kid.

[zCommander]

2 minutes ago, TheShredSkinz said:

Only regret is we didn't roll with Colt but then instead signed Smith, gave up a 3rd and traded the VT kid.

 

That's because Gruden wasn't involved in getting Alex. Pretty sure Bruce knew if he went to Gruden he would have wanted Colt to start instead. Bruce and Dan wanted to sell more jerseys and fill up the stadium instead. Priorities man... lol

[rdskn4eva]

2 hours ago, bakedtater1 said:

What confuses me is..is the skins didnt want to throw all that money to kirk because why?..they felt he wasnt a franchise qb?..I believe that's what it was...but than throw the money to an aging vet in alex?..

Yup.  they were mad that they gambled on Cousins and got burned.  They figured he was come down to earth with the franchise tag but he played the same or better each year.  

 

In a vacuum, no I dont regret it, but in the context of, you go and sign Alex Smith to a big deal, yea, it was stupid and I regret it.  Like what was the point of it all?

[ananoman]

2 hours ago, veteranskinsfan said:

Even if we had kept Kirk it is abundantly clear based on this season that the Skins were not close to being a contender.  If you look at how the Vikings beat the Cowboys it was a total team effort last night and Cousins was the game manager.   Do not think Cousins can win a Super Bowl.  But he can get you in the playoffs every other year.  Right now for the Skins expecting to make the playoffs is a pipe dream until Allen leave, new General Manager arrives and new Head Coach is picked by new General Manager AND not picked by the Danny.

If Mark Rypien could win you a Super Bowl then Cousins can as well 

[DJHJR86]

Had they rolled with McCoy and another stop gap veteran going into 2018, it wouldn't have been pretty, but it would have made sense.  Trading for, AND extending, a QB who, in his 13 year career, had only put up numbers close to Cousins once (on a stacked roster) was malpractice.  And it's what should have costed Bruce Allen his job.  

[NickyJ]

23 minutes ago, ananoman said:

If Mark Rypien could win you a Super Bowl then Cousins can as well 

Cool, we'd have mark Rypien locked down. Then it would just be a matter of finding Monk, Clark, Sanders, Byner, Brian Mitchell, The Hogs, and Wilbur Marshall. But at least we'd have Rypien. What's that word again? Oh, yeah. Close.

[Tsailand]

On 11/3/2019 at 11:51 AM, zskins said:

Alex Smith, slightly better

 

Bull crap

[wit33]

Of course Cousins can win a Super Bowl—He’s perfectly capable of putting together an Eli Manning or more recently Nick Foles type run. 
 

Random thought:

 

I wonder what the average cap percentage of the last 4 remaining team’s QBs in the conference championship games over the next 10 years will be? Will it be the ascending talents on rookie deals that take over the league or the established elite veterans on mega deals... a mix? Interesting.  

[zCommander]

1 hour ago, Tsailand said:

 

Bull crap

 

Actually it is true with better ball security and playoffs experience.

[rick7423]

On 11/11/2019 at 1:59 PM, zskins said:

 

Actually it is true with better ball security and playoffs experience.

Bull crap

[CjSuAvE22]

On 11/11/2019 at 1:59 PM, zskins said:

 

Actually it is true with better ball security and playoffs experience.

Its not even close how much better cousins is at qb than alex smith...take alex smiths 4 best seasons and compare them with cousins 4 seasons as a starter 3 of which were for this franchise...dont be in denial..cousins career qb rating is almost ten points higher and had bruce allen managing his talent for 3 years...

[skins4ever28]

1 hour ago, CjSuAvE22 said:

Its not even close how much better cousins is at qb than alex smith...take alex smiths 4 best seasons and compare them with cousins 4 seasons as a starter 3 of which were for this franchise...dont be in denial..cousins career qb rating is almost ten points higher and had bruce allen managing his talent for 3 years...

Quoted For Truth.

 

I am still in disbelief how many people hate on Cousins.  Some hilarious comments (and Im paraphrasing), "Wed get to the playoffs big deal, wed never win a SB" Like, yea sure as heck is better then 1-8.  Kirk will win a SB and some here will still not give him credit.   Funny part is, they have a great chance to do it this year.

[ananoman]

13 minutes ago, skins4ever28 said:

Quoted For Truth.

 

I am still in disbelief how many people hate on Cousins.  Some hilarious comments (and Im paraphrasing), "Wed get to the playoffs big deal, wed never win a SB" Like, yea sure as heck is better then 1-8.  Kirk will win a SB and some here will still not give him credit.   Funny part is, they have a great chance to do it this year.

Agreed.  And the justification that "We weren't going to win with him anyways" is pointless.  At this point we aren't winning regardless .   if we were to have Tom Brady, or Drew Brees, or Patrick Mahomes, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

[Unbias]

Kirk looked pretty good in that prime time game against the Cowboys...

 

That used to be an area where he'd buckle...

 

Meanwhile, we've had two prime time games and things haven't really went well at all. 

[mistertim]

On 11/11/2019 at 1:09 PM, wit33 said:

Of course Cousins can win a Super Bowl—He’s perfectly capable of putting together an Eli Manning or more recently Nick Foles type run. 
 

 

Don't really agree with this. To me, Kirk was basically the anti-Eli when he was here. Eli was a dude who tended to put up mediocre numbers during the regular season but who seemed to shine in must win or playoff situations. Kirk put up tons of yards in the regular season when it didn't matter as much but had a history of folding during those pressure situations. 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

32 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Don't really agree with this. To me, Kirk was basically the anti-Eli when he was here. Eli was a dude who tended to put up mediocre numbers during the regular season but who seemed to shine in must win or playoff situations. Kirk put up tons of yards in the regular season when it didn't matter as much but had a history of folding during those pressure situations. 

 

Kirk needs to improve in the clutch no doubt.  But I think Eli is a bit overrated on that count.  The Giants were one and done in 4 of 6 Eli's playoff runs and he didn't play that hot in them.  But 2 of those 6 seasons were magical for him.  Eli has had an odd career.  I take nothing away from his 2 SBs.  He's a hall famer for that reason but otherwise he was a fairly ordinary QB.

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

On 11/3/2019 at 11:27 AM, mistertim said:

 

That was ONE game. Beyond that, Kirk showed little consistent good play against good teams. He always seemed to put up really nice stats against bad defenses/teams but has an embarrassingly bad record against teams with winning records and good defenses and that has continued in Minny (his current "hot streak" has all been against bottom 10 defenses). If he were here this year our record might be a little better but probably not by much as we've played against 4 top 10 defenses thus far. So yeah we might be 3-5 instead of 1-7. That would have been $84,000,000 well spent. 

 

The sad thing is we are spending the 2nd most in the league at QB for getting bad QB play and a hair away from #1.    I don't agree with all those who think we are better off with Kirk.  But if people want to argue that they expected a better Plan B than what transpired when Kirk left, I can rock with that.  I thought if you are going to dump Kirk then go young and cheap.  

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/29/redskins-quarterback-situation-remains-disaster-two-years-after-kirk-cousins-left/

As a group, Washington’s quarterbacks have produced a 79.3 passer rating since Cousins departed for Minnesota last offseason. Only the Arizona Cardinals, New York Jets and Buffalo Bills have gotten worse performance from their quarterbacks over that span. 

 

https://overthecap.com/positional-spending/  (redskins are the 4th team down)

Team	QB	RB	WR	TE	OL	Offense	DL	LB	S	CB	Defense
Packers	$27,208,000	$2,106,499	$16,313,123	$16,508,239	$45,660,181	$107,796,042	$8,776,062	$23,568,681	$9,110,462	$15,017,287	$56,472,492
Buccaneers	$23,770,750	$5,056,256	$20,113,435	$11,661,009	$43,095,934	$103,697,384	$33,158,027	$24,235,530	$6,696,416	$9,204,043	$73,294,016
Chargers	$27,064,655	$6,477,550	$24,405,438	$7,014,216	$36,585,482	$101,547,341	$37,916,168	$14,189,642	$7,607,079	$12,492,999	$72,205,888
Redskins	$30,274,202	$8,168,797	$9,844,783	$17,608,926	$31,405,206	$97,301,914	$11,254,561	$23,141,197	$7,195,044	$22,456,825	$64,047,627
Bengals	$17,389,080	$7,783,531	$28,759,035	$10,953,478	$32,236,987	$97,122,111	$32,356,006	$9,194,150	$7,091,392	$23,490,680	$72,132,228
Raiders	$25,688,481	$7,888,341	$15,002,643	$5,773,102	$41,317,341	$95,669,908	$15,715,476	$8,412,776	$18,726,408	$9,592,183	$52,446,843
49ers	$21,132,358	$14,491,472	$15,881,148	$4,306,868	$37,790,495	$93,602,341	$46,918,478	$15,633,642	$6,069,725	$19,580,173	$88,202,018
Browns	$11,922,075	$3,414,446	$36,303,313	$6,562,380	$35,263,893	$93,466,107	$41,389,435	$15,079,593	$14,658,477	$21,931,520	$93,059,025
Saints	$26,595,000	$3,756,693	$13,553,678	$6,373,000	$42,566,701	$92,845,072	$25,228,351	$20,112,024	$4,987,606	$14,752,304	$65,080,285
Cowboys	$2,903,516	$7,258,235	$23,199,852	$6,115,957	$52,981,776	$92,459,336	$40,017,741	$14,845,926	$5,730,954	$11,665,676	$72,260,297
Titans	$22,933,000	$8,400,499	$17,022,180	$8,216,988	$35,409,502	$91,982,169	$25,623,662	$20,173,115	$8,371,293	$29,237,372	$83,405,442
Colts	$12,027,941	$2,931,359	$31,488,408	$13,444,000	$29,469,471	$89,361,179	$37,891,197	$4,964,874	$9,581,658	$21,502,501	$73,940,230
Giants	$28,405,163	$9,258,216	$16,501,823	$8,460,681	$26,551,108	$89,176,991	$8,277,454	$25,167,100	$8,163,252	$19,838,958	$61,446,764
Vikings	$29,905,000	$4,385,766	$23,123,746	$6,158,384	$24,080,424	$87,653,320	$38,735,629	$12,742,386	$15,018,703	$27,075,664	$93,572,382
Eagles	$14,278,779	$5,468,274	$20,696,139	$7,777,746	$38,182,436	$86,403,374	$29,268,163	$7,676,784	$20,577,441	$9,381,240	$66,903,628
Rams	$11,765,577	$12,495,017	$26,272,831	$4,099,701	$31,687,643	$86,320,769	$30,585,660	$24,118,807	$9,080,904	$12,341,349	$76,126,720
Seahawks	$26,996,766	$4,935,531	$12,573,554	$6,603,369	$34,000,896	$85,110,116	$18,722,673	$35,123,216	$11,433,381	$4,419,395	$69,698,665
Chiefs	$9,666,808	$6,570,293	$25,963,032	$12,375,400	$30,344,013	$84,919,546	$22,143,542	$11,788,373	$14,228,780	$9,433,212	$57,593,907
Falcons	$18,063,000	$9,428,109	$15,376,289	$5,322,881	$36,705,180	$84,895,459	$28,005,555	$21,714,431	$9,611,465	$18,022,660	$77,354,111
Lions	$30,564,118	$2,501,723	$17,557,581	$6,691,359	$26,935,885	$84,250,666	$24,560,663	$15,730,739	$5,009,157	$23,637,112	$68,937,671
Patriots	$22,535,204	$12,229,419	$20,222,405	$2,677,268	$23,757,711	$81,422,007	$11,295,175	$23,577,510	$27,894,225	$18,991,654	$81,758,564
Texans	$7,833,793	$12,681,625	$27,327,533	$3,394,032	$29,008,745	$80,245,728	$25,349,087	$26,256,108	$10,187,128	$20,083,693	$81,876,016
Jets	$9,479,711	$11,356,919	$19,504,677	$3,374,544	$35,837,477	$79,553,328	$18,978,512	$30,383,072	$11,138,424	$21,935,097	$82,435,105
Steelers	$27,983,392	$1,841,148	$4,435,693	$8,121,668	$36,551,591	$78,933,492	$31,563,825	$27,291,131	$6,090,913	$18,112,322	$83,058,191
Jaguars	$13,149,963	$10,707,555	$15,041,875	$5,793,366	$31,896,434	$76,589,193	$34,889,958	$12,477,718	$6,023,257	$25,799,700	$79,190,633
Bears	$14,055,437	$1,896,775	$28,601,752	$11,701,356	$19,648,056	$75,903,376	$18,306,693	$35,255,807	$5,683,006	$28,845,710	$88,091,216
Cardinals	$8,403,481	$12,613,795	$16,642,681	$3,340,485	$33,683,794	$74,684,236	$10,696,982	$34,458,617	$4,786,932	$18,662,780	$68,605,311
Panthers	$24,395,545	$5,905,824	$10,263,278	$9,421,498	$22,171,650	$72,157,795	$47,170,500	$22,419,341	$9,347,796	$7,186,963	$86,124,600
Bills	$6,713,826	$4,562,191	$18,785,529	$10,198,933	$30,885,001	$71,145,480	$47,201,128	$11,180,178	$12,774,835	$7,549,959	$78,706,100
Ravens	$4,187,820	$4,647,747	$12,389,040	$6,811,187	$24,915,719	$52,951,513	$20,830,178	$10,533,396	$23,532,140	$38,794,130	$93,689,844
Broncos	$7,081,753	$4,939,853	$4,498,067	$7,636,576	$26,409,908	$50,566,157	$19,491,759	$40,275,817	$12,162,120	$18,977,380	$90,907,076
Dolphins	$7,119,898	$2,436,189	$18,308,393	$2,747,944	$12,575,298	$43,187,722	$10,989,656	$5,481,505	$25,603,400	$22,350,579	$64,425,140

[zCommander]

3 hours ago, CjSuAvE22 said:

Its not even close how much better cousins is at qb than alex smith...take alex smiths 4 best seasons and compare them with cousins 4 seasons as a starter 3 of which were for this franchise...dont be in denial..cousins career qb rating is almost ten points higher and had bruce allen managing his talent for 3 years...

 

I said WHY Alex was taken over Kirk and NOT what is happening RIGHT NOW. When the Skins got Alex this is what they were looking at. Notice who has more INT. 7.6 YPA for Cousins and 7.5 YPA for Smith, the "dink-and-dunk" label doesn't really apply for either player. In 2017, Drew Brees led the NFL with an 8.1 YPA. Smith tied for second at 8.8 and Cousins tied for ninth at 7.6. So tell me you would have still kept Kirk?

 

 

5 hours ago, rick7423 said:

Bull crap

 

See above. 

 

2 hours ago, skins4ever28 said:

Quoted For Truth.

 

I am still in disbelief how many people hate on Cousins.  Some hilarious comments (and Im paraphrasing), "Wed get to the playoffs big deal, wed never win a SB" Like, yea sure as heck is better then 1-8.  Kirk will win a SB and some here will still not give him credit.   Funny part is, they have a great chance to do it this year.

 

“He’s a good player,” McCloughan told Mike Pritchard and Cecil Lammey per the Washington Post. “Is he special? I don’t see special. But also, we were still building a roster around him to make him special." 

 

So the statement above says that Kirk needs good players around him to make him special. If Scot is wrong, which could happen, what SPECIAL talent did you see from Kirk when he was here that was worth keeping? 

 

 

2 hours ago, ananoman said:

Agreed.  And the justification that "We weren't going to win with him anyways" is pointless.  At this point we aren't winning regardless .   if we were to have Tom Brady, or Drew Brees, or Patrick Mahomes, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

 

Hmmm... let's try this exercise instead: If you could pick one which one would you pick, regardless of how our WR or OL looks like, Mahomes, Jackson, Watson, Cousins, Wentz, Goff or Prescott. 

 

 

[Veryoldschool]

This is what the first start of promising young quarterback ought to look like: