CTskin Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 If we really can’t fetch more than a 3rd for TW then I’d be all about a player for player trade. Other teams may be able to digest TWs contract demands better if we give them relief by taking someone from them. I’d much prefer a solid, proven, even overpaid player in return vs a crapshoot 3rd rounder. that being said, if HOU is involved then I’m a bit more optimistic about trade return value... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobert Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Is it plausible that the Texans are simply putting this out there to pressure Tunsil into signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeken24 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I think Trent may need to fire his agent. Its obvious his agent is getting desperate with threatening legal action. I gave them the benefit of the doubt when **** B was here. But now that Dan has made every adjustment to Trent's concern, Trent is showing his true intent. The problem is, he's kinda stuck in the middle. Whatever team out there wants him, they need to give a proper trade compensation to the Redskins. Point blank. If the Redskins want a second, they want a second. Fact is, if a linemen is demanding $20 mil a year, makes no sense that his trade value would be less. So on the one hand, Trent is saying he's worth elite money, but has an issue with the Redskins wanting elite compensation. His agent has put him in a bind by wanting to make up for lost money last year IMO. Trent is better off taking less money. I think that is what is going to happen in the end. But all this posturing is now coming from Trent's camp IMO. But you never know.....with Dunny making it happen for a 5th, who knows if Trent will get Ron to cave. I'm actually good with Dunny getting moved. I have a feeling we'll be ok at both positions really. Hell, we're a losing team for god's sake. Ain't no player on this squad besides McClaurin worth being up in arms about anyway IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahozna Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, joeken24 said: I think Trent may need to fire his agent. Its obvious his agent is getting desperate with threatening legal action. I gave them the benefit of the doubt when **** B was here. But now that Dan has made every adjustment to Trent's concern, Trent is showing his true intent. The problem is, he's kinda stuck in the middle. Whatever team out there wants him, they need to give a proper trade compensation to the Redskins. Point blank. If the Redskins want a second, they want a second. Fact is, if a linemen is demanding $20 mil a year, makes no sense that his trade value would be less. So on the one hand, Trent is saying he's worth elite money, but has an issue with the Redskins wanting elite compensation. His agent has put him in a bind by wanting to make up for lost money last year IMO. Trent is better off taking less money. I think that is what is going to happen in the end. But all this posturing is now coming from Trent's camp IMO. But you never know.....with Dunny making it happen for a 5th, who knows if Trent will get Ron to cave. I'm actually good with Dunny getting moved. I have a feeling we'll be ok at both positions really. Hell, we're a losing team for god's sake. Ain't no player on this squad besides McClaurin worth being up in arms about anyway IMO. nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Piecing this together, we likely got Trent's agent saying don't worry about the money you lost last year, you'll make up for it with room to spare and you'll shatter the record for what non QBs get paid in the league let alone just LTs. And none of that is going down, and Trent and his agent need someone to blame for that and its the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 The longer Trent waits the less money teams can offer him, too. Usually, the first wave of free agency sees the biggest contracts and each subsequent wave gets smaller as teams spend their cap and settle on their team. A few teams still have need of a left tackle and a few of them have a large amount of cap space, but that's going to shrink as we go. Trent Williams is losing this game of chicken. So are the Redskins, but the Redskins can afford to. They either get Trent back at the contract he agreed to or Trent sits out and the Redskins don't pay him. Worse for Trent is the question of burnt bridges. Did he meant to? Did he want to? I suspect his window of opportunity is slamming shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Piecing this together, we likely got Trent's agent saying don't worry about the money you lost last year, you'll make up for it with room to spare and you'll shatter the record for what non QBs get paid in the league let alone just LTs. And none of that is going down, and Trent and his agent need someone to blame for that and its the Redskins. TWs agent reps Jason Peters whom we have been linked to in a 1 year deal. If we sign Peters I think a trade of TW follows very soon afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cakmoney61 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 27 minutes ago, Burgold said: The longer Trent waits the less money teams can offer him, too. Usually, the first wave of free agency sees the biggest contracts and each subsequent wave gets smaller as teams spend their cap and settle on their team. A few teams still have need of a left tackle and a few of them have a large amount of cap space, but that's going to shrink as we go. Trent Williams is losing this game of chicken. So are the Redskins, but the Redskins can afford to. They either get Trent back at the contract he agreed to or Trent sits out and the Redskins don't pay him. Worse for Trent is the question of burnt bridges. Did he meant to? Did he want to? I suspect his window of opportunity is slamming shut. Trent Williams is looking real bad in the eyes of a lot of GMs and Redskins fans. He's rehabilitating the image of the Redskins while putting his motives (money) for this whole situation under suspicion. The fact that he won't back down from his asking price, on it's face, probably troubles GMs as well. It's shows a lack of awareness about himself concerning his injury history and past suspension(s). To sum it all up, his playing ability is not the main issue. In addition to his asking price being too high, his character and love for the game are what is really on trial with these GMs. He is looking like a player who quit on his team in an attempt to hijack them for more money while on an existing fair contract for a second year in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Sheehan just said from what he knows just about 100% of the problem trading Trent hasn't been the Redskins trade demands but his salary demands. He said he knows he asked for the Redskins for more than 20 million a year. He doubled down that Trent's agent reassured Trent last year during the holdout not to worry about the money they lost in 2019 since they'd make up for it in the new contract he'd get. He doubled down that he heard they could have easily traded Trent though last season. I'd add last season whomever acquired Trent would have him under contract for two years, the whole extension and or Trent wanting to make up for lost money wouldn't have been in play the same way. I recall a person or two argued with me about the significance of this, saying yeah the new team would just have Trent for contract for 1 year but so what because they'd just extend the contract. Yeah I agreed they'd try to extend him but that would create a whole new dynamic to this and not in a good way and ironically this seems to be the sticking point which has gotten in the way for making a trade. During the season, you'd have had Trent at good money for TWO years. That's a big deal over just one year. Now you got just the one year, Trent's agent trying to make up ground for lost money, and they are negotiating with the higher 2020 FA numbers versus 2019 FA numbers -- all of this has made it clearly a lot more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeken24 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Again, if Trent would just have that come to jesus moment (which is coming real soon), he'll come to realize that he is going to end up playing for the Redskins. He can't sit out another year because of the new CBA which takes a lot of the leverage out of the Laveon Bells, Trents of the league. That's a whole other point of bull**** for me. 500 players not voting and the rest not really looking at the fine print. Dumb asses. Bottom line, Trent has to play out his current contract or ask for less money to get on a new team. Otherwise, next year his contract is still active. Nasty little loop T Willy. You don't want that. So if you want new scenery, take less and move the hell on fam. I really need to be his agent cause his current one ****ed this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 He mentions, Vikings, Bucs, Chargers, Browns and Dolphins. Vikings and Chargers have the least amount of cap space of the 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Burgold said: The longer Trent waits the less money teams can offer him, too. Usually, the first wave of free agency sees the biggest contracts and each subsequent wave gets smaller as teams spend their cap and settle on their team. A few teams still have need of a left tackle and a few of them have a large amount of cap space, but that's going to shrink as we go. Trent Williams is losing this game of chicken. So are the Redskins, but the Redskins can afford to. They either get Trent back at the contract he agreed to or Trent sits out and the Redskins don't pay him. Worse for Trent is the question of burnt bridges. Did he meant to? Did he want to? I suspect his window of opportunity is slamming shut. Would love to see Trent try and sit out a 2nd straight season. This is a guy who's pissing away a potential HOF career if he had played every season....I love how he demands to be traded or released, is given permission to find a trade, yet prices himself out of the market cause his dumbass sat out last year and now he needs to make up for lost money. At some point he's gonna have to cry uncle and eat some pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 42 minutes ago, HigSkin said: He mentions, Vikings, Bucs, Chargers, Browns and Dolphins. Vikings and Chargers have the least amount of cap space of the 5. You would think Miami would be a no-brainer match for Trent. They will have a rookie QB, have dumped a lot of money into their team and don't have a solid LT. Talk to Trent, give him an offer that could reach 17 mil a year with incentives, and give the Skins a 2nd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 2 hours ago, cakmoney61 said: To sum it all up, his playing ability is not the main issue. In addition to his asking price being too high, his character and love for the game are what is really on trial with these GMs. He is looking like a player who quit on his team in an attempt to hijack them for more money while on an existing fair contract for a second year in a row. And on a contract that had been paying him very handsomely. If I recall, Williams was still something like the sixth highest paid tackle in the league. So, it's not like a Tom Brady argument or even a Quinton Dunbar one where he can whine justifiably that he is being way underpaid for his production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeken24 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 The Redskins seem to be building through the draft while making moves for NFL ready guys in FA. No name guys. I'm cool with that because how often has that worked here? I'm good with them picking up FAs that they deem hungry (or at least they are making them hungry by signing them to short term small contracts). I just hope they continue to hit on humble coach-able play makers in the draft while picking up humble, hungry FAs that are just looking to do their job. Culture change is a process and its being implemented here. Some of us need to get on board and just do away with the proverbial off season splash. With that said, it made sense to get Dunny and Trent out. Of course players still talk, but the influence they would have had on a day to day basis was probably not a ideal climate for Ron and staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SemperFi Skins Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 106.7 right now has TW's agent, Vincent Taylor, on the line discussing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, SemperFi Skins said: 106.7 right now has TW's agent, Vincent Taylor, on the line discussing He's being totally unrealistic, they're not going to just cut the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Just now, spjunkies said: He's being totally unrealistic, they're not going to just cut tge guy. I agree... pushing all the blame on the Skins and not accepting any responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1skinsfanever Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Burgold said: Trent Williams is losing this game of chicken. So are the Redskins, but the Redskins can afford to. They either get Trent back at the contract he agreed to or Trent sits out and the Redskins don't pay him. Worse for Trent is the question of burnt bridges. Did he meant to? Did he want to? I suspect his window of opportunity is slamming shut. I don't think Trent meant to burn his bridges with the team and Dan that's why he keeps thanking Dan and letting it be known he has no problem with him. I seen a report or someone mentioned that Trent hopes to return after he retire and be in the ring of fame that alone tells me that he knows this has gone too far. I wish Trent the best and would like to see him in the ring of fame one day but he has to go and go soon so Ron can move on with his message and put culture in this team that has none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I wish Grant or Danny would ask about Jason Peters (same agent).... If we were to sign him, it may spark the Browns or someone else to push for TW. It also takes another LT option off the market for those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar1156 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I'm sorry. His agent sounds like a friggin moron. He can go pound sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 saying there's absolutely no chance TW comes back and the ship has sailed with Ron Rivera... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 What a total cluster-F this whole thing is. It didn't have to be this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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