Welcome to the Redskins Montez Sweat Mississippi St.

[Darrell Green Fan]

9 hours ago, Peregrine said:

I mean not to necessarily defend Sweat, but, the anger at him around assumptions about other people getting infected is absolutely bizarre and irrational. 

 

Sweats personal health and decisions are his own faults, but now apparently many armchair WebMD/lockerroom experts are saying all of the vaccinated players have now gotten infected and its Sweats fault?  So just to clarify, apparently if he was vaccinated he couldn't get it because vaccinated people cant get it and he would be protecting his teammates.  Except all of the other players are vaccinated and all got it.  If it was literally that easy for one person to infect the majority of vaccinated people around them(and as non-vax he has to wear masks etc and live by different protocols in the facility including social distancing and daily tests), then wouldnt they have all gotten it long ago?  Also, apparently Sweat was visiting all of the NFL teams because there was a huge number of positive tests around the entire league.  And Sweat is being tested every day, meaning they caught it very quickly, meanwhile the NFL(Despite what the NFLPA has pushed) is only testing vaccinated players once every 7 days, and we KNOW they have gotten infected so they could have been infecting teammates for up to a week. And. And. And.

 

He is about to miss his second game due to COVID. This would not be the case had he been vaccinated, this is the NFL policy and he knew this when he made the decision.  That's what people are most pissed about, the Allen positive is just one more reason to be upset with but we really do not know that he was the source.  

[Voice_of_Reason]

Just now, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

He is about to miss his second game due to COVID. This would not be the case had he been vaccinated, this is the NFL policy and he knew this when he made the decision.  That's what people are most pissed about, the Allen positive is just one more reason to be upset with but we really do not know that he was the source.  

In fairness, we don't KNOW the bolded part above is true.  The policy for vaccinated players is they have to have 2 negative tests within a 24 hour period to be eligible to play, there is no "10 day waiting period."  

 

So, I think a better way of stating is he COULD have returned, possibly for the Dallas game, and even more possibly for the Philly game if he was vaccinated depending on when he got the negative tests.  

 

Especially with COVID, I think it's important we deal in hard facts. I think one of the biggest problems is there are SO many "versions of the truth" it's somewhat difficult to tell what IS a hard fact, especially when there is a group of people who are desperately trying to spread mis-information in order to create chaos for their own personal gain. 

 

The other thing this whole experience has shown us is how absolutely badly our education system has failed us.  Things like basic odds and probability are a complete mystery to so many people, it's shocking.  Because at the end of the day, all of this stuff is just managing risk, which in a way is just understanding what the probability is of catching/transmitting COVID.  

 

However, I think if you look strictly at the facts which most reasonable people can agree on, we should be able to agree on the following:

 

1. Getting the vaccine reduces the probability you will contract COVID.  It does NOT eliminate it, but it DOES reduce it.  

2. Vaccinated individuals have a lower probability of experiencing significant symptoms (including death) if they do contract the disease.

3. Vaccinated individuals are less likely to spread the disease than an unvaccinated person.  

4. The probability of Vaccinated individuals spreading COVID to another vaccinated individual is approaching zero.  It's NOT zero.  But it's really close. 

5. In a group setting, there is a "compounding" probability effect with high vaccination rates: 1. There are less people who will get the disease, so less people to spread it. 2. If one person does get it, there is protection within the group or mass-spreading to vaccinated individuals.  Again, it's just numbers.  If you have a group of 10 people, and one person contracts it, and they are all vaccinated, the chances are MAYBE one other person can contract it from the first person, but it's highly unlikely.  If you have 100 people, and all are vaccinated, and 1 person catches it, it's likely they could spread it to 1 or 2 more people, but it will burn out pretty quickly.   (This phenomena has been called "herd immunity")  

6. It is much more likely as a vaccinated person to catch COVID from an unvaccinated person than a vaccinated person.  

7. As an unvaccinated person, your probability of contracting the disease from literally anywhere is higher than a vaccinated person.

8. As an unvaccinated person, your probability of spreading the disease to another person is higher than a vaccinated person.

9. As an unvaccinated person, the chances of you experiencing significant symptoms is higher than and unvaccinated person

10. As an unvaccinated person, the chances of you dying are significantly higher than an unvaccinated person.

11. While there have been the odd cases of the vaccine causing some type of medical situation for the person who receives it, the odds of that are significantly lower (almost zero) than the odds are of staying unvaccinated, contracting COVID and either ending up hospitalized or dead. 

 

I literally have no idea why this is a political issue at this point.  This is something we all should be able to agree on, there really should be absolutely no controversy.  This should be the thing which pulls everybody together.  There honestly shouldn't have to be campaigns to convince people, there shouldn't have to be debates, there shouldn't have to be mandates, there shouldn't have to be anything except the distribution of facts, the benefit to yourself and your community, and literally everybody should just get on board. It shows complete lack of leadership and trust that this is not the case. 

 

I'm not down for shaming people for their choices, but I am absolutely fine pointing out that the choice you choose to make doesn't just effect you, it effect all the people around you.  And in this case, if you are on a football team and you chose to either be selfish or uneducated, and that negatively effects the team due to availability, that's on you.  

 

[Capsman]

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

We had a top medical expert come into the locker room and explain it in the simplest of terms for the football players and Sweats reply was "I don't need the vaccine, because I don't have covid. If I get covid, I'll get the vaccine". That is why we are all pointing and laughing at him.

 

By choosing to not get the vaccine, you run a higher risk of getting covid. Covid thrives longer in you. You have a higher percentage of testing positive and missing games, as well as a higher percentage of spreading it to others. He chose to do this to the team and that is why we are angry.

 

As far as being blamed for the outbreak, well, when you publicly come out and tell everyone that you're a selfish idiot and plan to push your luck, then you are hanging the bullseye on your own back. If it comes out that he was taking precautions and someone else gave him covid, I'll still be pissed and blame him for all the rest of it, because he earned that.

He also said "I haven't caught COVID yet so I don't see me treating COVID until I actually get COVID".  He's clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed. 

[zCommander]

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

However, I think if you look strictly at the facts which most reasonable people can agree on, we should be able to agree on the following:

 

1. Getting the vaccine reduces the probability you will contract COVID.  It does NOT eliminate it, but it DOES reduce it.  

2. Vaccinated individuals have a lower probability of experiencing significant symptoms (including death) if they do contract the disease.

3. Vaccinated individuals are less likely to spread the disease than an unvaccinated person.  

4. The probability of Vaccinated individuals spreading COVID to another vaccinated individual is approaching zero.  It's NOT zero.  But it's really close. 

5. In a group setting, there is a "compounding" probability effect with high vaccination rates: 1. There are less people who will get the disease, so less people to spread it. 2. If one person does get it, there is protection within the group or mass-spreading to vaccinated individuals.  Again, it's just numbers.  If you have a group of 10 people, and one person contracts it, and they are all vaccinated, the chances are MAYBE one other person can contract it from the first person, but it's highly unlikely.  If you have 100 people, and all are vaccinated, and 1 person catches it, it's likely they could spread it to 1 or 2 more people, but it will burn out pretty quickly.   (This phenomena has been called "herd immunity")  

6. It is much more likely as a vaccinated person to catch COVID from an unvaccinated person than a vaccinated person.  

7. As an unvaccinated person, your probability of contracting the disease from literally anywhere is higher than a vaccinated person.

8. As an unvaccinated person, your probability of spreading the disease to another person is higher than a vaccinated person.

9. As an unvaccinated person, the chances of you experiencing significant symptoms is higher than and unvaccinated person

10. As an unvaccinated person, the chances of you dying are significantly higher than an unvaccinated person.

11. While there have been the odd cases of the vaccine causing some type of medical situation for the person who receives it, the odds of that are significantly lower (almost zero) than the odds are of staying unvaccinated, contracting COVID and either ending up hospitalized or dead.

 

 

Just wanted to clear up something. You can still get the virus that causes covid symptoms/illness even if you have the vaccine. 

[NickyJ]

7 minutes ago, zskins said:

 

Just wanted to clear up something. You can still get the virus that causes covid symptoms/illness even if you have the vaccine. 

That's kind of exactly what VoR said for his first two points.

Edited December 14, 2021 by NickyJ

[Koolblue13]

11 minutes ago, zskins said:

 

Just wanted to clear up something. You can still get the virus that causes covid symptoms/illness even if you have the vaccine. 

Everyone knows this. Everyone. Yet for some reason, unvaccinated freedumb fighters ( not pointing at you) bring it up like some kind of "gotcha, take that science" catch phrase. 

[NewCliche21]

24 minutes ago, zskins said:

 

Just wanted to clear up something. You can still get the virus that causes covid symptoms/illness even if you have the vaccine. 

 

17 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

That's kind of exactly what VoR said for his first two points.

 

Duh that's why he quoted him, he was citing his source.

Or at least that's what I'm telling myself.

[Captain Wiggles]

2 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I literally have no idea why this is a political issue at this point. 

 

Oh that's an easy one. Tis a conversation to be had in the radical tailgate full of "Notzies" tho. 🤭

 

[Captain James]

Well this thread has certainly gotten out of hand. 

[ILikeBilly]

Not Montez related, but relevant to the current discussion...

 

The NFL is is set to mandate all NFL Tier 1 and Tier 2 staff, including head coaches, assistants and others, must receive a Covid-19 booster by Dec. 27 or face considerable restrictions.

“On November 29, the CDC issued a study showing that the effectiveness of the approved Covid-19 vaccines may decrease over time and has recommended that all eligible vaccinated individuals over the age of 18 should receive a booster shot,” an email sent out by the NFL office Monday night reads.

 

...and this from a different article.....

 

On Monday, the league recorded their highest number of Covid-19 positive tests ever with 37. Of those, only Chicago Bears’ defensive end Mario Edwards was “unvaccinated.” The other 36 should have been protected by being fully-vaccinated in a league with such high vaccination rates, but instead they found themselves grasping for answers about why there are so many of the so-called “rare” breakthrough cases popping up across the league.

 

 

[Koolblue13]

2 minutes ago, ILikeBilly said:

Not Montez related, but relevant to the current discussion...

 

The NFL is is set to mandate all NFL Tier 1 and Tier 2 staff, including head coaches, assistants and others, must receive a Covid-19 booster by Dec. 27 or face considerable restrictions.

“On November 29, the CDC issued a study showing that the effectiveness of the approved Covid-19 vaccines may decrease over time and has recommended that all eligible vaccinated individuals over the age of 18 should receive a booster shot,” an email sent out by the NFL office Monday night reads.

 

...and this from a different article.....

 

On Monday, the league recorded their highest number of Covid-19 positive tests ever with 37. Of those, only Chicago Bears’ defensive end Mario Edwards was “unvaccinated.” The other 36 should have been protected by being fully-vaccinated in a league with such high vaccination rates, but instead they found themselves grasping for answers about why there are so many of the so-called “rare” breakthrough cases popping up across the league.

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

The reason why Sweat has been speculated as the spreader has nothing to do with him not being vaccinated but because he was the first ripple of the wave.

 

They were talking about it on 106.7 yesterday and speculating on it.  And there was someone who claimed to be a COVID-19 specialist who does work for the NFL, called into 980 this morning, and talked about the issue.  And yeah they started with stating that COVID outbreaks work like a cascade that typically starts with a player and since Sweat was the first dude testing positive before the cascade happened -- there is a good chance he's the main culprit for the outbreak.

 

Obviously, there is no way to know for sure.  But considering Sweat already missed weeks for his injury to follow that up with getting COVID-19 right before he was supposed to come back.  Right before the biggest game of the season which he missed and he likely misses the 2nd biggest game of the season, too which is next Sunday.  And there is at least a decent chance that he was a main culprit of the spread considering he got the first positive test.  And the cascade of cases that followed just happend to be on the D line.  And the same dude listened to a lecture from a specialist this summer about the vaccine -- yet he didn't even come out of with a basic understanding of how vaccines even work. 

 

The combination of all of that doesn't feel hot for Sweat as for dealing with things in a smart way.   And yeah even if the specialists and the media members who speculate that Sweat likely was the main culprit for the spread end up being wrong -- just him alone contracting COVID-19 at the time he did likely has consequences for this season.  And heck if the speculation is correct that he not only contracted COVID-19 and misses key games but also contributed to the domino effect with all the D line cases -- his actions could actually derail the playoff efforts.

 

The COVID specialist who was on the radio also said sometimes it takes awhile for the COVID-19 symptoms to manifest enough for the test to expose it so she thought we still might have more cases coming out this week.  In short, she speculated there could be some other players who have COVID-19 but just don't know yet. 

 

lol, there are ton of posts like this on twitter.  Personally, i think Sweat looks bad even if he isn't the spreader.  But I've heard enough to think there is at least a fighting chance he was a spreader unless I hear that when he returned he never entered the building or interacted with anyone. 

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[zCommander]

2 hours ago, NickyJ said:

That's kind of exactly what VoR said for his first two points.

 

"1. Getting the vaccine reduces the probability you will contract COVID.  It does NOT eliminate it, but it DOES reduce it."

 

I went back and re-read. The first point is what I was talking about. You still get covid. Period. There is no less of. 

 

Should have said: 1. You can still get covid even if you have the vaccine but it reduces your chance of being ill from the virus as there are antibodies already in your system ready to fight it quickly. 

 

Points 1 and 2 should have been combined and worded accordingly. 

[PartyPosse]

4 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

You should have just stopped here because you really do have no idea what you are talking about.  

Ohhh personal attacks to feel superior because I asked if there was proof that Montez was the catalyst for the outbreak instead of offering something productive. Classic DGF (and yes, you do it quite often to everyone).

[zCommander]

3 hours ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

 

Duh that's why he quoted him, he was citing his source.

Or at least that's what I'm telling myself.

 

What source was he citing? 

 

However, since vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing infection, some people who are fully vaccinated will still get COVID-19.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html#:~:text=Most people who get COVID,“breakthrough infection.”

Edited December 14, 2021 by zskins

[Ball Security]

2 minutes ago, zskins said:

 

Here is my source:

 

However, since vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing infection, some people who are fully vaccinated will still get COVID-19.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html#:~:text=Most people who get COVID,“breakthrough infection.”

Has anyone in this thread said that that wasn’t the case?

[petey hodge]

6 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

Ohhh personal attacks to feel superior because I asked if there was proof that Montez was the catalyst for the outbreak instead of offering something productive. Classic DGF (and yes, you do it quite often to everyone).

Ya know, you got me thinking…. regarding Darrell Green Fan…. Something you never see around here is. Tom Carter Fan.

[NickyJ]

15 minutes ago, zskins said:

 

"1. Getting the vaccine reduces the probability you will contract COVID.  It does NOT eliminate it, but it DOES reduce it."

 

I went back and re-read. The first point is what I was talking about. You still get covid. Period. There is no less of. 

 

Should have said: 1. You can still get covid even if you have the vaccine but it reduces your chance of being ill from the virus as there are antibodies already in your system ready to fight it quickly. 

 

Points 1 and 2 should have been combined and worded accordingly. 

Let's replace the pronouns in VoR's 1st point with the nouns he is referring to:

 

1. Getting the vaccine reduces the probability you will contract COVID.  It The vaccine does NOT eliminate it COVID, but it DOES reduce it the probability of contracting COVID.

 

You are restating exactly what VoR said.

Edited December 14, 2021 by NickyJ

[NoCalMike]

So......he's playing versus Philly or nah?

[zCommander]

18 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

Let's replace the pronouns in VoR's 1st point with the nouns he is referring to:

 

1. Getting the vaccine reduces the probability you will contract COVID.  It The vaccine does NOT eliminate it COVID, but it DOES reduce it the probability of catching it.

 

You are restating exactly what VoR said.

 

Yeah that sounds better. The word catching it is not the right word to use. Sorry for being too literal. 

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by zskins

[The Hangman- C_Hanburger]

8 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

Let's replace the pronouns in VoR's 1st point with the nouns he is referring to:

 

1. Getting the vaccine reduces the probability you will contract COVID.  It The vaccine does NOT eliminate it COVID, but it DOES reduce it the probability of contracting COVID.

 

You are restating exactly what VoR said.

No..the vaccine reduces the IMPACT of COVID. It does nothing to prevent you from exposure/catching the virus. You can be vaccinated and be a carrier same as un-vaccinated. It is not a cure..just like the flu shot. Johnson and Johnson vaccine works WITH your existing immune system by using dead covid cells to generate antibodies, the others change your body's genome (to inhibit the virus artificially- New Technology-unproven).

[Ball Security]

7 minutes ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said:

No..the vaccine reduces the IMPACT of COVID. It does nothing to prevent you from exposure/catching the virus. You can be vaccinated and be a carrier same as un-vaccinated. It is not a cure..just like the flu shot. Johnson and Johnson vaccine works WITH your existing immune system by using dead covid cells to generate antibodies, the others change your body's genome (to inhibit the virus artificially- New Technology-unproven).

• COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html

Edit:  I’m fine with continuing this in the tailgate if that’s more appropriate.  But I’m looking at this as from a player availability standpoint.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Ball Security

[The Hangman- C_Hanburger]

6 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

• COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html

Edit:  I’m fine with continuing this in the tailgate if that’s more appropriate.  But I’m looking at this as from a player availability standpoint.

From the CDC. Don't believe the hype that you can't get it or pass it on if you get a vaccine. That's all my input. People can research themselves as I have

 

COVID-19 vaccines are effective at helping protect against severe disease and death from the virus that causes COVID-19, including known variants currently circulating (e.g., Delta variant).

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html

[zCommander]

 

15 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

• COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html

 

See that wording is also incorrect. Vaccines don't prevent the virus from entering your body though. What they should have written is that it can prevent the spread of the virus and should have left getting the virus out of that sentence. 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by zskins

[Ball Security]

5 minutes ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said:

From the CDC. Don't believe the hype that you can't get it or pass it on if you get a vaccine. That's all my input. People can research themselves as I have

 

COVID-19 vaccines are effective at helping protect against severe disease and death from the virus that causes COVID-19, including known variants currently circulating (e.g., Delta variant).

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html

Again, who is saying that vaccinated people can’t get it?