goskins10 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, hailmary said: goskins10 The bottom line is RF was cleared of all charges today in Tampa and "You" tried to spin that fact earlier and got called out for it. So IT was YOU who's"playing word games" my friend 🤪 Total bull****!!! There is no difference between insufficient and not enough. There is a total difference between insufficient meaning not enough vs. cleared meaning the evidence shows they are innocent. That was my point from the beginning - you made it into something else to try and change the narrative. Again, he was not cleared - np matter how many times you try to make it that way. I am done with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, goskins10 said: Total bull****!!! There is no difference between insufficient and not enough. There is a total difference between insufficient meaning not enough vs. cleared meaning the evidence shows they are innocent. That was my point from the beginning - you made it into something else to try and change the narrative. Again, he was not cleared - np matter how many times you try to make it that way. I am done with this. He was cleared of any legal obligation from the incident. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hailmary Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, goskins10 said: Total bull****!!! There is no difference between insufficient and not enough. There is a total difference between insufficient meaning not enough vs. cleared meaning the evidence shows they are innocent. That was my point from the beginning - you made it into something else to try and change the narrative. Again, he was not cleared - np matter how many times you try to make it that way. I am done with this. goskins you said he wasn't cleared ....REALITY IS HE WAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Rufus T Firefly said: From many of the replies since the Foster claim happened, it seems clear that a lot of posters have been fortunate enough to have not dealt with domestic violence in their lives. Congrats. But if you're crowing about how "she admitting to lying" about the abuse, you should make yourself aware of how sadly and frustratingly typical it is for a woman to say such a thing to protect an abusive partner. It's a syndrome virtually all battered women go through. Again, if you haven't experienced this with women you know, you're lucky. But that doesn't change the fact that a woman claiming to have made up her abuse allegations is extremely common. You want to know what is definitively NOT common? For an innocent man to continually get back together with a woman who "lied to extort money from him" in court, jeopardizing his career and freedom. It's not just a little case of "bad judgement" people want to dismiss it a. It is, at best, highly suspicious if you choose to believe he's an innocent man who's being victimized by a lying ex. If you can manage to convince yourself to take her "I lied to hurt him" claim at face value and not wonder at Foster (with other criminal history, btw) not acting like the victim you suppose him, you may want to ask yourself what side of this issue you have chosen to be on. Or if you just don't care, because you want to see one of the parties play football. But she did the same abuse thing with her previous boyfriend too. Don't tell me she just doesn't know how to pick the right guy. On May 17, 2018, under questioning from Foster’s attorney Joshua Bentley, Elissa Ennis admitted to attempting to get a previous boyfriend arrested for domestic violence in 2011 in an extortion scheme. She testified at the Santa Clara Hall of Justice. https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/elissa-ennis/ I know for a fact when you are 23 years old and in love you tend to do things that you wouldn't do when you are 30 something. Been there done that (minus the domestic abuse stuff though). I have never risen my hand on a woman (even though my ex-wife one time kicked and slammed me into the wall because we got into an argument over some stupid roommates ****). Guys get abused/battered/taken advantage of too. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, hailmary said: NO our country proceeds with INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY Unfortunately this is not the case more often in this country? Domestic violence is a tricky one because if we want women to feel comfortable coming to the police, we cannot ask them to do so in the face of having every single person they interview doubt them and desperately look for holes. It's humiliating, scary and challenging enough. Yes, some women lie. I don't think there is a shred of evidence beyond anecdotes that that exceeds the amount of women who are telling the truth. Am I arguing for everyone accused to face consequences off the bat without proper investigation, absolutely not. Of course not. But I also am not going to assume every accuser is a lying gold digger, which it seems a lot of men still do in 2018 because of the press that relatively isolated cases get where women lie purposefully. And that leaves me in between in a random void where there is no good answer, which is often the case in life. It's basically the only crime where this conundrum exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hailmary Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sticksboi05 said: Domestic violence is a tricky one because if we want women to feel comfortable coming to the police, we cannot ask them to do so in the face of having every single person they interview doubt them and desperately look for holes. It's humiliating, scary and challenging enough. Yes, some women lie. I don't think there is a shred of evidence beyond anecdotes that that exceeds the amount of women who are telling the truth. Am I arguing for everyone accused to face consequences off the bat without proper investigation, absolutely not. Of course not. But I also am not going to assume every accuser is a lying gold digger, which it seems a lot of men still do in 2018 because of the press that relatively isolated cases get where women lie purposefully. And that leaves me in between in a random void where there is no good answer, which is often the case in life. It's basically the only crime where this conundrum exists. I agree but we can't forget our rights and we must stand by them. Unfortunately we as a Nation are losing touch on our Constitutional rights with which our Nation was built upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Darc Requiem said: Even if they suspend him, he's already served his time this season. It doesn’t work that way. Foster’s still getting paid being on the exempt list. Greg Hardy missed 15 games while being on the exempt list before the league hit him with a 10 game suspension the following season for his DV issue. It was dropped to 4 games after an appeal with an arbitrator. The NFL will still investigate Foster regardless of the Tampa prosecutor dropping the charge. If they think there’s evidence he did it they can suspend him, without pay, for games next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 33 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Also, cops has no reason to sweep this under the rug It's possible...if there is an exchange of mutually desired assets. Not at all saying that happened. But you can never rule it out in this society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I love how this thread has turned into a huge semantic argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonez3 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I wonder what kind of grades Foster had at Alabama. I know this a little off topic, but it has been written here he's probably not the brightest bulb. The reason I segway is more around the paid player debate. I'd be shocked if Rueben Foster could pass the college level courses at Alabama based on everything reported about his character. His behaviors just doesn't lend to that of an educated individual. So, if we were to assume Alabama was simply floating him along till he got his million dollar payday NFL contract, than in fact that is like getting paid to play. Rueben Foster likely would have trouble holding an entry level position anywhere in America based on his past behaviors. The fact that Alabama, in all likelihood, simply gave him exemption from any educational requirements to reach his professional position and earned income is indeed a payment of sorts. If they held him to educational standards that he couldn't meet and he was forced to play at a JuCo, his draft status certainly would suffer as obviously would his financial worth. A bit off topic but I wanted to use him as an example that college athletes receive benefits that certainly translate into future financial gains by playing in college. Further, I'm sure many of them don't even belong in the colleges they attend. Not hard to imagine even now. But we know this kind of privilege existed, as our own Dexter Manley couldn't read yet still attended Ok St. and was academically eligible to play. Surely somebody knew he had some 'deficiencies'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-9- Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 ironic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I'd love to Sandwich Reuben in between Kerrigan and Dion Hamilton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, mistertim said: I love how this thread has turned into a huge semantic argument. It’s ingrained in ES members to go down this path, particularly come January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeken24 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 hours ago, Morneblade said: I'm not even sure how I feel about this. I suppose it really won't matter though. He's likely to get arrested for the same thing before the season starts. And no, I don't think he'll wise up and figure this out. Now he's even more entitled and will expect that he can get away with just about anything. The me too movement is fierce. 44 minutes ago, Bonez3 said: I wonder what kind of grades Foster had at Alabama. I know this a little off topic, but it has been written here he's probably not the brightest bulb. The reason I segway is more around the paid player debate. I'd be shocked if Rueben Foster could pass the college level courses at Alabama based on everything reported about his character. His behaviors just doesn't lend to that of an educated individual. So, if we were to assume Alabama was simply floating him along till he got his million dollar payday NFL contract, than in fact that is like getting paid to play. Rueben Foster likely would have trouble holding an entry level position anywhere in America based on his past behaviors. The fact that Alabama, in all likelihood, simply gave him exemption from any educational requirements to reach his professional position and earned income is indeed a payment of sorts. If they held him to educational standards that he couldn't meet and he was forced to play at a JuCo, his draft status certainly would suffer as obviously would his financial worth. A bit off topic but I wanted to use him as an example that college athletes receive benefits that certainly translate into future financial gains by playing in college. Further, I'm sure many of them don't even belong in the colleges they attend. Not hard to imagine even now. But we know this kind of privilege existed, as our own Dexter Manley couldn't read yet still attended Ok St. and was academically eligible to play. Surely somebody knew he had some 'deficiencies'. So I suppose you're highly educated. Posting to a thread about a dumb rich dude. Ironic ain't it. Oops, I mean isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderhill Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, hailmary said: goskins you said he wasn't cleared ....REALITY IS HE WAS Actually... acquit. To acquit someone is to clear them of charges. Acquitting also has to do with how you carry or present yourself. If you're accused of a crime, then the best thing that can happen to you is being acquitted — that means you were cleared or exonerated of the charges. VS If it was dismissed "WITH PREJUDICE", this means that you cannot be faced with charges based on the same incident. If it was dismissed "WITHOUT PREJUDICE", that means that the charges may be brought back up again at a later time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempre_victrix Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, hailmary said: I agree but we can't forget our rights and we must stand by them. Unfortunately we as a Nation are losing touch on our Constitutional rights with which our Nation was built upon. Absolutely. But criminal convictions versus employment are different. From a fan perspective, we should not have grabbed him, especially without doing far more investigation . It shows lack of judgement and stinks of desperation. But again, he also shows zero judgement in being anywhere near this woman. Unless he has a major epiphany and straightens our hard and fast, he’s going to be far more trouble than he’s worth on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeken24 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 hours ago, Peregrine said: Cleared of charges, or charges dropped by the accusser? Because there is a massive difference between the two. So far, we dont know if A. She was paid off, B. She made it up, C. Theres some truth to it, and the NFL will still suspend him like it did with Elliot. The biggest issue though, really, is that if anyone seriously believes this is the last trouble this guy gets into, based on this past history, I've got a globulinium mine to sell you. I don't necessarily want the globulinium mine, but judgemental people are rarely ever reasonable. They rarely have the facts, they often jump to conclusions and seem to have this uncanny ability to predict the future about people they hardly even know. TMZ and Wendy Williams loves these types of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeken24 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Cleared sounds like it didn't happen. Which means the police wasted a trip to the house, TMZ made some money, SF lost a player for nothing and the Redskins picked up a player off waivers. Suspending would simply be another move by the NFL to protect the shield. Use the KISS method. It'll set you difficult folks free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 hours ago, RVAskins said: I thought there was video of the incident. Not from the incident in FLA, but the one in October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeken24 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, BleedBNG said: Not from the incident in FLA, but the one in October Here's my thing....I wonder if she's lying about lying and then she stopped lying about the first incident. It just seems if she tells the truth about the truth, all this would be cleared up. I was telling this to my therapist and he said..... I know but still.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Sticksboi05 said: Domestic violence is a tricky one because if we want women to feel comfortable coming to the police, we cannot ask them to do so in the face of having every single person they interview doubt them and desperately look for holes. It's humiliating, scary and challenging enough. Yes, some women lie. I don't think there is a shred of evidence beyond anecdotes that that exceeds the amount of women who are telling the truth. Am I arguing for everyone accused to face consequences off the bat without proper investigation, absolutely not. Of course not. But I also am not going to assume every accuser is a lying gold digger, which it seems a lot of men still do in 2018 because of the press that relatively isolated cases get where women lie purposefully. And that leaves me in between in a random void where there is no good answer, which is often the case in life. It's basically the only crime where this conundrum exists. Not a shred? Hmm. Generally it is reported between 2 and 10 percent of reported sexual assaults are proven false. Let us say it is just 4 percent on average. Four of 100 said to have done it are proven to not have. Conversely, every 230 rape reports lead to 5 total convictions. So, what, a hair over two percent are proven true. These are real numbers. Are you sure not a shred of evidence exists to show false reports happen more frequently than true ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Malapropismic Depository said: I'd love to Sandwich Reuben in between Kerrigan and Dion Hamilton. That's a weird fantasy but hey, it's 2019 and you do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikeRedskin7 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 14 hours ago, dyst said: Still not sure why the NFL would suspend him if charges were dropped. I suppose it happened, but police just couldn't bring charges due to her prior lies. Well Zeke was suspended even after he proved that the accusing ex-girlfriend was lying about everything. After the law enforcement seen all the evidence that she was lying, they dropped the case. Zeke still got suspended 6 games for something he didn't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertbeagle85 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Even when he's played what has this bum done? I'm not convinced he's even a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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