Momma There Goes That Man Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 11:32 AM, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said: I think people underestimate how terrible and embarrassing we are off the field. That has more to do with it than you think. Those franchises keep the suck at least on the field This is the reason. The Raiders, Lions and Browns have been terrible at football. We are a bad and poorly managed football team that is also in every conceivable way possible, an embarrassing **** stain to its fans and the general public. PR disaster after PR disaster and incompetent, bonehead decision and play all attest to that. People can stand losing. Getting kicked in the stones and laughed at for 30 years in addition to losing is what drives fans away and creates apathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 58 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: I love the irony in this post, assuming it was intentional I'm clever like that, ****head! 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hail2skins Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 So this NBC Sports Washington story based on the WaPo story linked by SIP above mentions MD Gov Hogan's efforts to get land near MGM National Harbor for the stadium, and indicates that sources say that Snyder might be able to get out of his FedEx lease before 2027 if the new stadium is built in PG County. Is the implication that, if the RFK site is chosen, that we would still be at FedEx through 2027? I've never really minded FedEx. Yes, there have always been issues, such as traffic problems on the Beltway when it first opened, as well as people at RFK who complained that their seats at FedEx were much too high due to the club and suite levels pushing up the upper deck at FedEx. But once you get into the seating bowl, seems like a decent place to watch a game......with the exception of Snyder's inclusion of dream seats which made everyone in the 100s stand. But this year's half-full club and upper levels, as well as the disfigurement of the upper deck during this decade, has really increased my desire to get the heck out of that stadium as soon as we can. The thought of staying there another decade makes my head hurt. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-working-trump-congress-try-and-get-new-stadium-rfk-location-report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 57437 is the number today. I was not there, but on TV sadly it didn't look much different than it has all season, sans Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Shame on anyone who padded Snyder’s wallet today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: Shame on anyone who padded Snyder’s wallet today Would have been a tough game to attend if someone offered a comp ticket. Would have been a tough game to attend if someone paid me to go. I mean maybe for a new house, car, and 50,000 shares of Amazon stock, but... still... I might ask for a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissident2 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I was at the game today. First time in awhile I've gone to one. Why would I choose to go to this game? Got some free tickets, a buddy was in town and decided to do it. Figured we'd probably lose, but was ready to see if we would make a fight of it at least. Well, the game can be addressed in any other number of threads. The stadium was just full of blue. Behind the Giants' sidelines, especially. During the third quarter, it looked like a game at MetLife over there. Meanwhile, everywhere else was full of empty seats and just brow-beaten Redskins fans who literally had NOTHING to cheer about. I saw some guy get up and go nuts when the Giants missed that extra point. He was exaggerating of course, and it was kind of funny (Redskins fan), but it was like, "Finally, something to cheer about." Giants fans were not too bad. They cheered loudly when they got some big plays, but generally didn't sit there rubbing it in all game, which they certainly could've done. But, yeah, what a disgrace this gameday experience has become. My friend told me, "You got free tickets, but you still got ripped off." Man, was he right. We left in the third quarter after Johnson failed to convert on 4th down. Unreal how far this franchise has fallen. Truly, truly sad. This is what having the worst front office and ownership in all of professional sports gets you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Kilmer17 said: Shame on anyone who padded Snyder’s wallet today Couldn't have said it better myself. Doesn't matter if this team wins or loses. Doesn't matter how wretched the gameday experience is at FedEx. Doesn't matter how awful (and dangerous) the playing surface is. Doesn't even matter how many folks are there to support the home team or if the place is half-full of opposing fans. You give Dan Snyder your money, he's gonna keep doing his thing. It's like giving a kid ice cream when they've been a brat from sun up to sun down. Hope it was worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 At this point it’s going to take AT LEAST 2 back to back playoff seasons to get fans into the stadium again. And honestly, i dont blame those that won’t show up until then. It sucks. But i I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleese Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, thebluefood said: Couldn't have said it better myself. Doesn't matter if this team wins or loses. Doesn't matter how wretched the gameday experience is at FedEx. Doesn't matter how awful (and dangerous) the playing surface is. Doesn't even matter how many folks are there to support the home team or if the place is half-full of opposing fans. You give Dan Snyder your money, he's gonna keep doing his thing. It's like giving a kid ice cream when they've been a brat from sun up to sun down. Hope it was worth it. We’ve gone over this a lot, but the percentage of revenue the gameday generates for the team is SO much smaller than people think. The NFL is run on socialist principles. Every time someone buys and Aaron Rodgers jersey or a Dallas Cowboys hat it lines SNYDER’S pockets as well. Revenue sharing and the massive TV contracts are the revenue drivers for the league as a whole. Snyder wasn’t happy today. We’ve heard from all sorts of sources that he is embarrassed when the stadium is empty and fans get angry. I don’t think he’s smiling tonight because the few in attendance bought hot dogs. It’s such a ridiculously small percentage anyway that it doesn’t really matter. The “enabling” stuff is just silly. I don’t think Snyder sat there today and said “Ah, ha, we still had 50,000 show up so that means they approve of what we are doing.” I think he knows it’s messed up and has been before. He just doesn’t know how to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, kleese said: The “enabling” stuff is just silly. I don’t think Snyder sat there today and said “Ah, ha, we still had 50,000 show up so that means they approve of what we are doing.” I think he knows it’s messed up and has been before. He just doesn’t know how to fix it. 1 You could put a comittee of ES posters in charge and get this thing respectable. Fire Bruce Allen is step 1. Ask the NFL HQ to reccomend the Brian LaFamia version of the football operation and let that person get to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 46 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said: At this point it’s going to take AT LEAST 2 back to back playoff seasons to get fans into the stadium again. And honestly, i dont blame those that won’t show up until then. I don't disagree, but these new guys that Snyder brought in have to think of ways to try to get the fans in NEXT YEAR. As Ed said, attendance revenue by now is a relative drop in the bucket in the overall pie, but the empty stands in the club and upper levels have been a bad look all year. Lafemina indicated in an interview a few weeks ago that he was surprised by just how bad the fan apathy is toward this organization. I think you do a combo of lowering seat prices and maybe taking out/tarping off more seats in the upper and club levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 First game since the MNF Massacre when Philthy beat our asses that me and Mrs Skinsfan left early. We bolted at halftime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Skinsfan1311 said: First game since the MNF Massacre when Philthy beat our asses that me and Mrs Skinsfan left early. We bolted at halftime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveWarrior Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Skinsfan1311 said: First game since the MNF Massacre when Philthy beat our asses that me and Mrs Skinsfan left early. We bolted at halftime... You mean the "body bag game?" I live closer to Philly than DC, and that's what they call it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, BraveWarrior said: You mean the "body bag game?" I live closer to Philly than DC, and that's what they call it. Wait...was there more than one Monday night massacre at home Vs The eagles?? I thought @Skinsfan1311 was talking about the 59-28 loss in 2010. That wasn’t the body bag game though. Was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleese Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Body Bag Game was at Philly in 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I can see where people mix up the BBG in 1990 at the Vet and the MNM in 2010 at FedEx. After the BBG, the Skins would go 19-4 over the next 23 regular season games, culminating in a Super Bowl championship the next season. After the MNM, Mike Shanahan rallied the Skins to a 6-17 mark over the next two seasons......but it led to the drafting of the greatest QB in Skins history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 This team’s ownership and management counted on Redskins fans to keep showing up and shelling out money no matter how bad things got...they are finding out even the most dedicated fans have their limits. They may have finally killed the golden goose. The Super Bowl wins were a lifetime ago. An entire generation of fans have grown up since then, and for the most part have only known misery with this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, kleese said: We’ve gone over this a lot, but the percentage of revenue the gameday generates for the team is SO much smaller than people think. The NFL is run on socialist principles. Every time someone buys and Aaron Rodgers jersey or a Dallas Cowboys hat it lines SNYDER’S pockets as well. Revenue sharing and the massive TV contracts are the revenue drivers for the league as a whole. Snyder wasn’t happy today. We’ve heard from all sorts of sources that he is embarrassed when the stadium is empty and fans get angry. I don’t think he’s smiling tonight because the few in attendance bought hot dogs. It’s such a ridiculously small percentage anyway that it doesn’t really matter. The “enabling” stuff is just silly. I don’t think Snyder sat there today and said “Ah, ha, we still had 50,000 show up so that means they approve of what we are doing.” I think he knows it’s messed up and has been before. He just doesn’t know how to fix it. Actually, I think they may generate more than people think. Sure, broadcast revenue make up the majority, but based on what we know from the Packers, its only about 55-60% of the revenue. While significant, expenses are so high for the NFL, that you HAVE to generate substantial other revenue to make a profit. The Redskins revenue is $490 million, with $100 operating income. If the Redskins filled the stadium, and got a league average 11 games(an average of 1 playoff team), home tickets would generate $115 million a year. If each person visiting the stadium spent only $20 on parking, concessions etc, that would be an additional $30 million. So thats $145 million for just tickets, parking and food, nothing to sneeze at. We know that 10% of league revenue is sponsorships, so the Redskins probably bring in about $49 million from that. Now again, assuming a low percentage, if 2 million skins fans buy, or get given as gifts $20 in Redskins gear throughout the year, thats another $40 million. That leaves some revenue unaccounted for, but I think thats close enough. The total then of gameday, merchandise, and sponsorships that are sure to become less lucrative as fan interest is diminished is a total of $244 million. If the Redskins suffer a 20% hit on that income from fans no longer attending or spending, thats a $48 million hit to the bottom line. That still leave Synder with some profit, but hes got to take out taxes and interest. Dan Snyder is a greedy SOB and will definitely take wide eyed notice of a $48 million hit to his pocketbook every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleese Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 @Peregrine... you also have to view it through a realistic lens. There will always be people who want to go to games that don’t really give a rip about the Redskins one way or another. First of all, you have tons of opposing fans willing to go as we see week in and week out. Secondly, you also have a lot of non-extreme people who may not root for the other team, but are also very casual about the home team. Maybe they go to 1 game per year just because it’s an outing they enjoy. They don’t really care who wins so the experince isn’t lessened for them when the team craps on the field. All this to say that no matter what, as long as an NFL game is being played, there will be some sort of attendance base line and revenue stream. You could say “man those 57,000 at the game today really are part of the problem.” But what if the 57,000 at the game don’t care in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 51 minutes ago, kleese said: @Peregrine... you also have to view it through a realistic lens. There will always be people who want to go to games that don’t really give a rip about the Redskins one way or another. First of all, you have tons of opposing fans willing to go as we see week in and week out. Secondly, you also have a lot of non-extreme people who may not root for the other team, but are also very casual about the home team. Maybe they go to 1 game per year just because it’s an outing they enjoy. They don’t really care who wins so the experince isn’t lessened for them when the team craps on the field. All this to say that no matter what, as long as an NFL game is being played, there will be some sort of attendance base line and revenue stream. You could say “man those 57,000 at the game today really are part of the problem.” But what if the 57,000 at the game don’t care in the first place? While I understand that, I think you underestimate the actual impact that is occurring. 20% is very reasonable, considering what we have already seen over the past couple of years. Sure, theres a baseline, but finding the baseline is the costliest thing to Snyder. The Redskins have had the worst attendance they have ever had under Snyder. Attendance is down 5-10%, if you assume that happens revenue wide for non-broadcast, thats a big hit. Throw in even more apathy and loathing next year, and another 10% drop will really hurt. If the baseline for the Redskins was 57k attendance, Snyder would be sunk. Because that would mean in JUST ticket revenue alone he would be taking him 40 million less per year than just a few years ago. Total revenue would be down about $85 million, without a change in broadcast revenue. Synder would beyond notice both that, and the drop in his franchises value of $500 million+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I don't believe that it's anywhere close to 10%. If you go back to the Gibbs 2 years it's more like 30% or more. In 2005 the attendance was 90k per game average totaling almost 720k for the season. That was almost 100k more than any other team in 2005 and only 3 teams were barely within that 100k. Most of the NFL was sub 600k. Look now, the Redskins are trending down toward where the Chargers and Raiders we're in 2016 for total attendance and both of those teams have or are leaving their cities. Dan Snyder knows these numbers and knows that only he is to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75004 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 It's a shame, I had a chance to attend, my son almost convinced me but I chose to rather save my $39 per ticket (great seats) than to go and be surrounded by the opposing team fans (mostly drunk) humiliating you as the team fails to play hard, I don't care if they loose as long as they leave it on the field. I have been there many times, and it is a horrible feeling specially walking back to that long mile to the metro. It seem positive at the beginning of the season but now it is back to the same losing mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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