NYT - Redskins Cheerleaders Describe Trip to Costa Rica that Crossed the Line

[Gibbit]

Just now, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

The rich dude with the boat has his name on 2 parking spaces at FedEx Field.  I think it’s safe to say he’s viewed as a very prominent fan and donor.  I’d venture a guess those at the top indeed care about pleasing him.

yeah, but if the equipment manager goes and murders Mara tomorrow......Snyder is doing time? Whatever I hate the bad press. Want the season to get started so we can see the fruits of this draft

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Just now, Monk4thaHALL said:

 

Your speculative comment was an attempt to quantify the extent of knowledge Cousins may or may not have had and then implicate him with the rest of the redskins front office. (Albeit your speculative comment was arching off of my speculative comment, starting with "maybe")

 

 

 

Holy. ****ing. ****. lol...

 

I'm gonna say this once, and then drop it. If you don't understand this, there's no hope so no reason to continue.

 

You wondered if Kirk may have known something/anything concerning what's been disclosed about the cheerleaders and the Redskins in this article, and if it maybe in some way played a role in his alleged request for the cheerleaders to dress less sexy.

 

I said if your speculation is right and Cousins response to finding out what the Skins were doing with the cheerleaders was to reques they dress less sexy, that's a severely ****ed up response. It's basically saying that the way to fix this issue is to have cheerleaders dress more conservatively. It's almost blaming the cheerleaders' outfits for what they've experienced lol...

 

How you twisted that around to me blaming Kirk lol ....I have no clue.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

4 minutes ago, Gibbit said:

Whatever I hate the bad press.

Is it safe to say that this colors your perspective on the situation?

 

I get it.  It sucks being a fan of this team and has for a while.  

 

I’d venture a guess had this been a report about the Cowboys, you wouldn’t be looking to hang the blame on their cheerleading director.

[skinfan2k]

I think the redskins should just remove cheerleaders from the payroll. I see 0 need for it in sports 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Just now, skinfan2k said:

I think the redskins should just remove cheerleaders from the payroll. I see 0 need for it in sports 

 

i agree, but the cheerleaders seem to REALLY like doing it. So i'd rather punish the scumbuckets and fix the system than let the scumbuckets get away with it and take away something from the cheerleaders that they enjoy.

[Gibbit]

15 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Is it safe to say that this colors your perspective on the situation?

 

I get it.  It sucks being a fan of this team and has for a while.  

 

I’d venture a guess had this been a report about the Cowboys, you wouldn’t be looking to hang the blame on their cheerleading director.

No, I’m just sick of the guilty media verdict.

im just using common sense looking at the cheerleader director at the moment. (If it’s true to begin with, she denies it and I’m just reading an article)

If more **** comes out I’ll change my view, but none of those cheerleaders are stating any names besides their director

 

you guys are just attaching conspiracy theory to what you’ve read

[spjunkies]

1 minute ago, Califan007 said:

 

i agree, but the cheerleaders seem to REALLY like doing it. So i'd rather punish the scumbuckets and fix the system than let the scumbuckets get away with it and take away something from the cheerleaders that they enjoy.

 

Totally agree, let them do what they enjoy just dont make them part time escorts.

 

 

[HOF44]

Please please please lead to forcing Snyder to sell the team.  I know it’ll never happen though.

[mojo]

I expect this to be the hot topic on all the sports tv and radio shows tomorrow and I fully expect Goodell will have to address it soon.   How this plays out I don’t know but the Redskins will pay retribution in some form.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

3 minutes ago, Gibbit said:

 

im just using common sense looking at the cheerleader director at the moment. (If it’s true to begin with, she denies it and I’m just reading an article)

 

So you’re saying that roughly 90-95% of the people here commenting on this subject don’t have common sense?

 

You’re the one who is kind of on an island with this perspective.

 

I don’t think anyone is saying that the director is entirely innocent by any stretch.  But it seems a bit silly to assume that all of this is of her doing.  As if there is no directive from somewhere in the FO to carry these things out.

[bobandweave]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/?utm_term=.ffb27cea6393

 

Nothing here either. I don’t understand how the Post doesn’t have a story up about this at this time. SMDH

[Califan007 The Constipated]

1 minute ago, bobandweave said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/?utm_term=.ffb27cea6393

 

Nothing here either. I don’t understand how the Post doesn’t have a story up about this at this time. SMDH

 

Um....

 

Redskins’ managing of cheerleaders under fire in wake of report

[RemoveSnyder]

26 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

Holy. ****ing. ****. lol...

I'm gonna say this once, and then drop it. If you don't understand this, there's no hope so no reason to continue.

 

More dismissive smarmy bull****. Congrats, you're the only one here who gets it. 

 

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You wondered if Kirk may have known something/anything

concerning what's been disclosed about the cheerleaders and the Redskins in this article, and if it maybe in some way played a role in his alleged request for the cheerleaders to dress less sexy.

 

No. 

 

Not whether Cousins knew something specifically about the article or the contents of the article, but something in general to how the cheerleaders were treated from a managerial perspective, from an operational perspective. 

 

Not the article specifically. And even if I did, I'm clarifying the **** out of it right now. So this right here, henceforth, is the clarification.

 

You're only hope here is to pin the article and its material to my speculation. That's the only way your counter argument can sustain itself. 

 

 

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I said if your speculation is right

and Cousins response to finding out what the Skins were doing with the cheerleaders

...

 

Stop it right there professor. 

 

"Finding out what the Skins were doing with the cheerleaders"

 

That has to be defined. Do you not understand that? 

What does Cousins know?

 

You want Cousins complicit even if the only thing that EVER entered his brain concerning the cheerleaders was unsourced, non verifiable, whisper and innuendo. Lol. Ok. 

 

Clearly you want for my argument to be about Cousins knowing about the contents of the article. The article contents are paramount. And I've written multiple times, that I think the chances that Cousins KNEW anything substantive is loony. I assume he's watching game film, practicing, not going woodward and bernstein and trying to get two verified sources on the costa rica snafu. 

 

 

*I didn't read the rest. 

 

 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

24 minutes ago, Gibbit said:

 

you guys are just attaching conspiracy theory to what you’ve read

At this point, the conspiracy theory is this thought that the big, bad media has this deeply ingrained hatred against the Redskins that causes them to make up and exaggerate negative hits on the Redskins regularly for going on two decades.  Two decades with putrid results on the field.  Plenty of actual embarrassments off of it. 

 

The smoke has been billowing out of Ashburn since Dan took over.  At some point, you’ve got to acknowledge there is a damn fire.  

[RemoveSnyder]

20 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

It's basically saying that the way to fix this issue is to have cheerleaders dress more conservatively. It's almost blaming the cheerleaders' outfits for what they've experienced lol...

 

And I wrote that in the very post you quoted, that you were attempting to say just that about Cousins, in speculative comment #1. 

 

Yeah, that's not throwing shade on Cousins at all, guy. 

 

 

I know exactly what you were saying. And his theoretical complicity only applies IF he knew the details. Specifics. The details matter. 

 

If he didn't then your attempt to wrangle Cousins in there, once I brought up the remembrance of him saying something about the cheerleaders and wondering to what extent he understood their issues, is pretty transparent. 

 

Aka, you usually defend the company line. 

[XxSpearheadxX]

So what should the new team name be? This is the beginning of the end of the redskins name. 

 

I'm gonna go watch some guice highlights

[Kilmer17]

 

I think I’d be willing to accept a name change if it meant the end of Snyder

[NickyJ]

To get through all the dancing around, the main point is....

 

2 hours ago, Monk4thaHALL said:

Do you remember, (just prior to free agency), before it became official Kirk leaving, wasn't there a report citing Kirk, or an actual quote from Kirk, or simply an attribution from his camp, that Kirk wanted the redskins' cheerleader's uniforms to change?

 

The story that was put out on Twitter was that one of Kirk's demands was cheerleaders wear more conservative cheerleader uniforms. Nothing more. No changes in policies, just uniforms. Any guesses that it did go beyond uniforms is your own speculation. With that in mind, you said:

 

2 hours ago, Monk4thaHALL said:

Maybe Kirk knew something about the redskins underbelly with regards to the cheerleaders. Or maybe his wife did.

 

An average reader like me understood that your post was saying: 'Maybe Kirk knew something about what the Redskins were doing with their cheerleaders, and made his suggestion that they be dressed more conservatively as a solution.' I can't speak for Califan, but I'd guess that's why he said:

 

2 hours ago, Califan007 said:

 

If he did and the only thing he requested was that they dress more conservatively, that's severely ****ed up lol...

 

I think Cali's point was that either: a. Kirk didn't know about what happened to the cheerleaders and the request was unrelated; b. If Kirk did know and he suggested that the solution to bad treatment of cheerleaders is new clothes, that would kinda weird.

[FordBailey]

1 hour ago, HOF44 said:

Please please please lead to forcing Snyder to sell the team.  I know it’ll never happen though.

 

That was my first thought. Only way to turn things around. Let’s hope this story also has legs.

[Conn]

Yeah this thing with @Califan007 and @Monk4thaHALL is 75% about cascading miscommunication and 25% about neither being as handsome as me. You guys I think are having slightly different discussions and talking past each other a little, since the miscommunication happened right at the beginning of the conversation. 

[Mr. Sinister]

4 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Yeah this thing with @Califan007 and @Monk4thaHALL is 75% about cascading miscommunication and 25% about neither being as handsome as me. You guys I think are having slightly different discussions and talking past each other a little, since the miscommunication happened right at the beginning of the conversation. 

 

Monk is definitely the more handsome one. Only someone incredibly dreamy could break down draft prospects in the way he does.

[CousinsCowgirl84]

1 hour ago, skinfan2k said:

I think the redskins should just remove cheerleaders from the payroll. I see 0 need for it in sports 

 

 

Thats rediculous. They are performers who want to perform. They are confortable with using their body to perform. The problem (from what i can see in the report) wasn’t that they were put in sexually suggestive situations (which they seem fine with) but that they were forced to go toppless in front of sponsors, escort fat greesy men around, and treated like objects. The answer is respect what they do not just shrug your shoulders and go “boys will be boys” which is what your are suggesting. Why don’t we get rid of the sleezebags that thought steealing their passports and turning them into escorts was a good idea. 

[RemoveSnyder]

54 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

b. If Kirk did and he suggested that the solution to bad treatment of cheerleaders is new clothes, that would kinda weird.

 

Of course. I don't require being told that. 

 

Isn't it convenient though that the discussion shifted at the mere mention of Cousins away from Dan and Bruce and what those two, in power, knew, and what they authorized? 

 

 

But once again, that whole Cousins thing rests on something intangible. It's opaque at best, the extent of Cousins knowledge of the cheerleaders situation, it is unknown.

 

Also too the extent of his motivation behind the "demand" for uniform change being based on anything specific or tangible from the NTY article. That would have to be, you know, verified.

 

In addition, no knowledge of any ancillary aspects involved. You dismissed it out of hand, just uniforms, "nothing more," you wrote. 

What if the "demand" for cheerleader uniform change came to him only as a request from a representative, speaking on behalf of the cheerleaders themselves, with no specifics behind it other than, "we'd rather be less objectified?" 

 

Perhaps Cousins was trying to use his platform to affect something positive for change, because he was asked by others for help and he stood up. But, to be sure, it came out of leftfield, and now we have this revelation from the NYT, and the underlying reasoning is now being distorted, sooooo  ... why don't we smear Cousins one more time? Right? 

 

 

The issue I'm taking umbrage with is simply that the people in charge, the people in power, Dan and Bruce are the ones who need to answer questions. Some dude springboarded from my post and spun Cousins actions, words, into "he was saying: 'they were asking for it.'" 

 

I recognized that character assassination right from the get-go. And it perturbs me that Cousins was being used in the same tones that were used with Paterno. Because Bruce tried to character assassinate Cousins prior to the 2017 season. 

 

 

So then logically, the same poster who wrote that about Cousins then went about decimating the rumors of "what happend in costa rica." It actually wasn't all that bad, according to him, and that the redskins FO doesn't need to answer for anything other than the confiscating of passports thing.

 

Then we're left with the real culprit, Cousins. amirite? 

 

19 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Yeah this thing with @Califan007 and @Monk4thaHALL is 75% about cascading miscommunication and 25% about neither being as handsome as me. You guys I think are having slightly different discussions and talking past each other a little, since the miscommunication happened right at the beginning of the conversation. 

 

It wasn't my intention to implicate Cousins directly to the specifics of the NYT article. It just wasn't. 

 

I have reading comprehension but to then be dismissed a couple times I guess just pissed me off. But it was clear to me that someone was taking the next step after I mentioned Cousins, and they turned it back onto Cousins to make him complicit. And I didn't care for that or subscribe to it. 

 

Whatever, maybe I'm holding on too tight. 

 

I apologize. 

[NickyJ]

27 minutes ago, Monk4thaHALL said:

Isn't it convenient though that the discussion shifted at the mere mention of Cousins away from Dan and Bruce and what those two, in power, knew, and what they authorized?

 

........

 

But it was clear to me that the next step in mentioning Cousins was turn it back onto him and make him complicit.

Ummm.... No. It's quite the opposite. I'm going to put it bluntly: The idea that Kirk's cheerleader uniform demand was in any way related to this scandal.... is a stupid idea. The whole cheerleader uniform thing was tweeted by Burgundy Blog talking about an unnamed team scout. Chances are, the demand wasn't even real. https://mobile.twitter.com/burgundyblog/status/972214896309030912

 

Seriously, this whole Kirk Cousins link (who's alleged demand you brought up in the middle of  flood of anti-Snyder and Allen posts) is absurd, and I'm done giving it any more airtime. Nobody but you has suggested Kirk had even the slightest idea of what was going on, or that his demands were related to this at all.

[CutPryorNow]

Next time I am asked or expected to expose my chest to the public I will do so, but then years later come out publicly and cry wolf - wolf. Good grief, cry me a bloody river. Next time you are asked to cross your moral borderline do me a favor and stand up for yourself or don't, but save the drama for way later please. Liberal society. Should women fight for better rights, absolutely, but come on put some clothes on, stop being a sex object and do something else before you start complaining! Witch hunt