LD0506 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Gee, I'm sure it's just my innate cynicism that makes me believe that a totally "impartial random process" is almost guaranteed to award the seat to the Rs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Isn't jousting the state sport of Maryland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, LD0506 said: Gee, I'm sure it's just my innate cynicism that makes me believe that a totally "impartial random process" is almost guaranteed to award the seat to the Rs. To make it completely above board the Republicans will demand a neutral party supervise and draw the lots. I hear they are flying over Kislyak himself. Who could be more trustworthy and impartial than a former Russian Ambassador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 14 hours ago, Predicto said: yes I misspoke Although in much of the South, the two are pretty much the same thing Isn't all gerrymandering partisan at some level in a party system? Racial gerrymandering is just the chosen method to achieve a partisan result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 20 hours ago, visionary said: Not sure about details, but I think they found one vote that was thrown out yesterday and took it to the judges who accepted it, getting the tie. Anyone else have any details on why just this one vote was brought back? this is apparently how the ballot looked This ballot should have been discarded but it is what it is at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 It's always a matter of which side the chad dangles on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 47 minutes ago, LD0506 said: It's always a matter of which side the chad dangles on I've been to the doctor for that a few times already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, dfitzo53 said: I've been to the doctor for that a few times already. Turn your head and chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 The Virginia paper ballot tells you that if you make a mistake on the ballot, you are supposed to ask for another one. So I'm of two minds on the ballot in question. -The person did otherwise vote a straight R ticket, so the chances are they meant to vote for the Republican candidate. but - If your ballot marking is ambiguous, and you can't follow the simple instructions that would have allowed you to complete an unambiguous ballot, your vote should not be counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 4 hours ago, DogofWar1 said: Isn't all gerrymandering partisan at some level in a party system? Racial gerrymandering is just the chosen method to achieve a partisan result. Agree. Racial gerrymandering is just the easiest way to do it because there is not another indicator in the census data that more clearly aligns by party (that I can think of). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Dan T. said: The Virginia paper ballot tells you that if you make a mistake on the ballot, you are supposed to ask for another one. So I'm of two minds on the ballot in question. -The person did otherwise vote a straight R ticket, so the chances are they meant to vote for the Republican candidate. but - If your ballot marking is ambiguous, and you can't follow the simple instructions that would have allowed you to complete an unambiguous ballot, your vote should not be counted. I seem to remember a great many Republucans, a few years back, very loudly announcing that, if a ballot contains votes for two candidates, (specifically, Pat Buchanan and a Democrat), then said voter is too stupid to vote, and it absolutely must not be counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 It would be pretty dangerous for today's Republican party to start saying that anyone is too stupid to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 They voted twice. It should have been thrown out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 My concern is why just that one ballot? ‘Ironically’ the number needed to tie it. Were there really no others that were in question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Here is the disputed ballot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 If one can't follow directions to get a new ballot if one makes an error, then the ballot should be excluded. The poll workers told me that if I made a mistake to ask for another ballot. This voter obviously disregarded this advice since there are couple of mistakes. The voter crossed out Gillespie, and didn't vote for anyone for governor. We don't know that any of the single candidate in some categories or affiliated with any party, so can't surmise that this is a ballot for Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Quote James Alcorn, chair of the state board of elections, said the tie will be broken Dec. 27 by inserting names on slips of paper into film canisters and then drawing a canister from a glass bowl. Virginia state law calls this random selection “determination by lot.” That will not be the end; the loser can seek a second recount. I, for one, think the "let's randomly select the winner by drawing lots" is dumb. I think there should be a test that is somehow connected to the qualifications for the job. Not like a serious, sit-down test, but like the two candidate's families should play a game of Family Feud where all of the surveys are done of just Virginians. Something, anything, merit-based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Gut check time.............How many of you here would be arguing the same thing if the ballot in question was marked straight D except for the 94th district and those marks were flipped? And what if that error were what gave the vote to the R? No need to actually answer here. You know in your heart the answer. Just think about it. If your answer isn't the same, you are part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, visionary said: My concern is why just that one ballot? ‘Ironically’ the number needed to tie it. Were there really no others that were in question? That's my thought too. I bet the Dem could find a contested ballot or five too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 53 minutes ago, Burgold said: That's my thought too. I bet the Dem could find a contested ballot or five too. I assume that they are arguing about every single thing they can find, to argue about. Both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 They filled in a vote for both Simonds and Yancey. They voted twice, it shouldn't have counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 9 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said: Isn't jousting the state sport of Maryland? Since nobody answered your question, the answer is yes. Which is how all disputes should be solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 paper ballots?....what did we time warp to the 50's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, twa said: paper ballots?....what did we time warp to the 50's? Our election machines were decertified for being garbage so we've had a shortage for a while now. Used to have 3 or more at the polling place. Lately it's 1, sometimes 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 8 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Gut check time.............How many of you here would be arguing the same thing if the ballot in question was marked straight D except for the 94th district and those marks were flipped? And what if that error were what gave the vote to the R? No need to actually answer here. You know in your heart the answer. Just think about it. If your answer isn't the same, you are part of the problem. I think in general it's fair to count the ballot for Yancy going by the way it was filled out...but I'm not crazy about the way this went down or the fact that they just happened to have the exact number of ballots to bring back to keep it from being a win for Simonds. There were probably other ballots on both sides that could have been looked at again the same way. I'd definitely feel the same way no matter which side benefited. Now would I be as annoyed at the outcome...probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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