Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

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"A majority of Republican voters — 70 percent — say the election was unfair, according to a Politico/Morning Consult poll"
 

 

Of course it's unfair when your candidate is handicapped by his mental instabilities, racism, incompetence, narcissism, fast food and adderall addictions.

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[Voice_of_Reason]

So I talked to a GOP operative, college friend. And I asked him what rhe hell was going on.  He’s a “never Trump” guy but about as loyal to the party as you can get otherwise.  And what he said is the problem is most GOP senators and other law makers are completely done with Trump but there’s a feeling because of the Georgia run-offs they can’t just abandon him. The GOP wants to hold the senate and they fear if they come out strongly against Trumps antics, that’s going to cost the party in the run-offs.

 

I guess I see their point, I countered a better approach might be to come out and say Trump lost and they desperately need to control the Senate or else the Dems get everything.  
 

We’ll see.  I think at some point in the next week or so it’s going to get to a point there’s no other choice.  But who knows anymore.  
 

My friend was pretty convinced the courts were going to throw out all the legal challenges and Congress was not going to try and play games with the election.  

[88Comrade2000]

What Does Trump Get Out of Contesting Biden’s Win?

 

There Is No Trumpism Without Trump The Republican Party now has two paths forward.

 

 

[DCranon21]

It's going on two weeks now. This is getting maddening. I see the strategy(the GOP leadership), where they are trying to keep his base engaged for the special run off in Georgia. So they rather risk the fate of National Security for keeping control of power in the Senate. This is going to be a fun 4 years. 

[Long n Left]

Earlier I stated that Sidney Powell was nuttier than a fruitcake...I find 🐿 💩 to be far more analogous.

[88Comrade2000]

Joe is supposed to give a speech from Delaware today on the economy.

[LD0506]

But on the bright side, the % of people that know that Delaware is a state has ticked up over 50 in the past two weeks...........

[Destino]

 

Now the hand recount they wanted in Georgia, being run by republicans, is also fake.  

[The Evil Genius]

This this this this this.

 

The argument that Trump captured a higher percentage of minority vote than in 2016 is quite silly when the gap in # of votes increased too.

 

 

[NoCalMike]

I think it's going to be hard to read too much into 2020 as a huge indicator of what's to come considering pretty much across the board it was acknowledged that Biden was a 1 term "just get Trump out and we will worry about the rest later" candidate.  It was pretty huge to win with THAT message.  The excitement for Biden was really the excitement at being able to get rid of Trump.  Should Trump attempt to run again in 2024, you are basically automatically re-igniting that anti-Trump fever all over again regardless of the Democratic nominee. 

 

 

[The Evil Genius]

One would hope the message finally got through in 2020 to my fellow democrats that if you don't vote and vote robustly, the EC system is set up to give you ****ty GOP candidates that the plurality (and often majority) of voters don't want.  

 

Only 1 time in the last 7 elections has the GOP candidate gotten the plurality of the popular vote. And yet they have served 3 of the 7 terms. 

[Corcaigh]

The new support for Trump in some areas and demographics shows also that the Dem message is pushing many away. 
 

It beggars belief that 70 + million people think that Trump deserved a second term. But here we are and the lessons (not) learned from 2016 about acceptance of the pace of change provide a huge opportunity for anyone in the GOP who pushes a socially conservative but less offensive message.

[mammajamma]

1 minute ago, Corcaigh said:

The new support for Trump in some areas and demographics shows also that the Dem message is pushing many away. 
 

It beggars belief that 70 + million people think that Trump deserved a second term. But here we are and the lessons (not) learned from 2016 about acceptance of the pace of change provide a huge opportunity for anyone in the GOP who pushes a socially conservative but less offensive message.

the issue with this is that trump doesnt even push a message. he has ZERO policy message. so i dont attribute his vote turnout to policy per se, but more of people who like his crazy personality, share his fear of people of color/immigrants, and falsely believe that republicans will help them with the economy. if policy had anything to do with it, most people struggling with america's economy (specifically those midwest trump voters that are somehow also in labor unions) would vote democrat

 

republicans have just been better at convincing people of lies

[TheGreatBuzz]

27 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

I think it's going to be hard to read too much into 2020 as a huge indicator of what's to come considering pretty much across the board it was acknowledged that Biden was a 1 term "just get Trump out and we will worry about the rest later" candidate.  It was pretty huge to win with THAT message.  The excitement for Biden was really the excitement at being able to get rid of Trump.  Should Trump attempt to run again in 2024, you are basically automatically re-igniting that anti-Trump fever all over again regardless of the Democratic nominee. 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Corcaigh said:

The new support for Trump in some areas and demographics shows also that the Dem message is pushing many away. 
 

It beggars belief that 70 + million people think that Trump deserved a second term. But here we are and the lessons (not) learned from 2016 about acceptance of the pace of change provide a huge opportunity for anyone in the GOP who pushes a socially conservative but less offensive message.

This is something I see that I don't think the Dems are focusing on enough.  This election had the motivating factor of having just seen 4 years of Trump and it STILL was so close, that it took a few days to see who won.  Dems will need a better message than "not Trump" in 2024.  And so far I have not seen much on the Left admitting this or looking to see what corrections need to be made.  

 

I'm guessing 2024 will see Trump out stumping for whoever the GOP is running.  That will motivate his base.  What is the Left going to do differently to compete with that?  I think we have seen that simply pointing out that they aren't idiots won't be enough. 

[PleaseBlitz]

I think Biden can score major points by simply acting like a President and governing competently from the center-left.  That would allay the fears that some have of the socialist takeover constantly fearmongered by right wing media and, after 4 years of disastrous policy, there are A LOT of things Biden can do that would be broadly popular.  Of course, the Fox News MCU will immediately label anything Biden does as socialist, including if he, for example, did a major infrastructure program exactly like the one Trump said he would do for years, so by broadly popular I mean 60% of the country would support it.  

 

Meanwhile, right wing extremism is not going anywhere and is likely to get worse and there really aren't very many people in the GOP that can take over Trump's base and not be seen as either/both of crazy and/or opportunists.  

[Corcaigh]

1 hour ago, mammajamma said:

republicans have just been better at convincing people of lies

But they have a receptive audience as people who struggle to understand globalization and are unsure about all social change are nostalgic for a different time.  

The GOP did not come up with the slogan ‘Defund the police’ but they were successful at making the Dems defend it, whether it was mainstream or not.

 

Similarly the Dems dropped the ball when BLM and the message of racial justice got mixed and conflated with every edge protest cause. The Seattle ‘Autonomous Zone’ (and some of the Portland protests) blurred the lines between important causes such as BLM and excessive use of force by police with campaigns, for example, to make Amazon pay more tax. Served with a slice of vegan pizza while watching art-house movies.

 

 

[Destino]

27 minutes ago, Corcaigh said:

The new support for Trump in some areas and demographics shows also that the Dem message is pushing many away. 
 

It beggars belief that 70 + million people think that Trump deserved a second term. But here we are and the lessons (not) learned from 2016 about acceptance of the pace of change provide a huge opportunity for anyone in the GOP who pushes a socially conservative but less offensive message.

I agree with this but I think there’s more to Trump than the usual political rules.  There’s a cult of personality with Trump.  Many of his supporters call themselves Trump supporters first and republicans second.  They insist that Republicans declare fealty to him and punish any Republican that steps out of line, even if they do so for traditionally conservative reasons.  
 

This is unusual for republicans that tend to do the opposite.  Normally their radicals police elected officials arguing that they are right wing enough.  The sort of thing the religious right, then the tea party movement, enjoyed ranting about.  Trump turned this on its head, and it created the never Trumpers as a result.  

[88Comrade2000]

It would be great if Trump had a complete mental breakdown and they take him to the mental institution. Pence can finish the term.

 

Donny is slowly losing it.

[mammajamma]

it is so frustrating to see the same thing every cycle that dems win.

 

democrats' policies (for the most part) have majority support (see polls) & represent WAY more people than the GOP, but for some reason every time we win its the same question. "how can we win over the loser's fanbase?". that guy got way less votes. how about we focus on democrat's policies now that we have the presidency and what Biden can do with his pen, since that's what the majority wants. also, lets focus on making sure voters can actually vote and legislatures are actually representative of the people (gerrymandering in state races, voter rights laws). if everyone could vote and state governments were actually representative of their population, we wouldnt even have to worry about GOP obstruction

 

no doubt that the GOP will spend the next four years trying to gerrymander and limit ways people can vote in swing states (take away absentee, etc), and democrats will still try to blame their losses in the house to "policy"

[Momma There Goes That Man]

1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I'm guessing 2024 will see Trump out stumping for whoever the GOP is running.

he has no incentive to do this. He doesn’t care at all about the GoP. The only reason he campaigns for the Republican candidate in 2024 is if he or his children are the nominee. And it’s 35/65 on whether he would campaign for his kids anyway 

[TheGreatBuzz]

9 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

he has no incentive to do this. He doesn’t care at all about the GoP. The only reason he campaigns for the Republican candidate in 2024 is if he or his children are the nominee. And it’s 35/65 on whether he would campaign for his kids anyway 

 

His incentive will be to have people fawning over him again.  We know how much he likes to hold rally’s.  This would give him the opportunity to have the good parts without the negative of potentially having to actually be president and “work”.  And GOP candidates will be begging to suck his **** for him to direct his base to them.