The Sewer That Is The GOP: With All The White Supremacists, Conspiracy Nutters, And Other Malicious Whacko Subgroups, How Does It Get Fixed?

[LD0506]

[Momma There Goes That Man]

20 hours ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said:

I saw some disturbing stats on Meet the Press this morning. Blue collar workers of all ethnicities are joining the Republican Party.

 

Biden’s presidency is starting to feel like a temporary speed bump on the Republican railroad.

 

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Together these data points suggest that GOP has not only made substantial inroads with blue-collar voters, but that the party is increasingly reliant on blue-collar voters as a key, if not the key, component of its coalition.

 

Political strategists often debate about the best way to win voters: Are cultural or economic appeals better? These data suggest that economic appeals might offer the Republican Party the best way to broaden its appeal. That path, however, would likely mean a retooling on policy policy approaches to make them better resonate with blue-collar voters.

 

 

 

[TradeTheBeal!]

“Blue-collar” infers moderate, nuclear-family, homeowner type of stuff.  The more the Dems lean into the Occupy/throw milkshakes at cops/Liz The Snake deal, the more blue-collar voters they will lose...regardless of race or ethnicity.

[ixcuincle]

 

[The Evil Genius]

24 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

“Blue-collar” infers moderate, nuclear-family, homeowner type of stuff.  The more the Dems lean into the Occupy/throw milkshakes at cops/Liz The Snake deal, the more blue-collar voters they will lose...regardless of race or ethnicity.

 

I'd be also curious to the total numbers of each. Losing % of voters of a slowly diminishing blue collar workforce is different than losing the overwhelmingly (I'd assume) college educated white collar workforce. 

[LD0506]

14 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said:

 

I'd be also curious to the total numbers of each. Losing % of voters of a slowly diminishing blue collar workforce is different than losing the overwhelmingly (I'd assume) college educated white collar workforce. 

 

"Lies, damned lies and statistics", y'know?

[skinny21]

The question for me is how to affect the right-wing media apparatus?  Because it seems to me that anything positive the Dems do for the people will be attacked, and the only way the GOP transforms is if they are forced to actually govern, rather than just be anti liberal.  I think there’s a societal problem that is involved here as well - we celebrate negativity, and sensationalism.  Until their messaging is rendered less effective, there’s no benefit for the GOP to change.  Well, there’s the idea of principles, morals, trying to improve the country, etc, but power, greed, and hatred have pushed those to the wayside apparently.

 

Regulation?  Messaging will be that this costs jobs/increases costs.

Higher minimum wage?  Ditto.

Healthcare reform?  They’re taking away your choice/pushing for socialism.

Marijuana legalization?  Higher crime.

Citizenship?  Dems just want more votes (cheat).

Other immigration reform?  You’ll lose your jobs, higher crime, your taxes will go to welfare.

And so on...

 

The idea of the Dems ending the filibuster and pushing through popular/beneficial laws (aggressively governing unlike what they’ve done in the past) is likely to run into the brick wall of this messaging, IMO.  

[The Evil Genius]

That said, the GOP can gladly have this white collar feckless ****. 

 

Someone forgot the "no" part of the Hippocratic Oath.

 

 

Edited February 22, 2021 by The Evil Genius

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, skinny21 said:

The question for me is how to affect the right-wing media apparatus?  

 

I'm all for making the intentional widespread dissemination of proven disinformation a federal crime.

 

Of course, that would being up a whole host of potential issues that would need to be worked out (some sort of governing body with non-partisanship built in, for example). But I think far fewer places and people would be so willing to do this **** if they knew it could end up with them behind bars and/or being obliterated by fines.

 

[Mr. Sinister]

3 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said:

“Blue-collar” infers moderate, nuclear-family, homeowner type of stuff.  The more the Dems lean into the Occupy/throw milkshakes at cops/Liz The Snake deal, the more blue-collar voters they will lose...regardless of race or ethnicity.

 

Not sure what the point of this post is. A lot of those  same people rail against Wall St "Elites" all the time, facts/reality of the Republican platform be damned.

 

And no matter how rightly or wrongly people protest, places like FoxNews will still have their video of a random minority doing bad things, or a random illustration of "Cancel Culture," etc. Propaganda always packs a punch against the working class.

 

Thats where the battle for Dems lies. How to cut thru that constant gaslighting bullhorn.

[China]

3 hours ago, skinny21 said:

The question for me is how to affect the right-wing media apparatus?  

 

 

Fox News Plummets Among Trump Voters as 'Most Trusted Source of News': Poll

 

In the latest USA Today/Suffolk Poll, released Sunday, just 34 percent of Trump voters listed the Fox News as their "most trusted source of news"—a 24 percent drop from the 58 percent that favored the network in October 2016.

 

Two news outlets have increased in prominence among conservatives in recent months. Newsmax is now seen as the most trusted source of news among 17 percent of Trump supporters and One American News Network (OAN) among 9 percent.

 

Newsweek reached out to Fox News for comment.

 

David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center said the findings indicated a "seismic shift in the landscape of trusted news sources for conservatives."

 

The GOP has devolved into a virtual civil war between the Trump wing and the establishment wing impatient to quell his influence on the party.

 

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[skinny21]

49 minutes ago, China said:

 

 

Fox News Plummets Among Trump Voters as 'Most Trusted Source of News': Poll

 

In the latest USA Today/Suffolk Poll, released Sunday, just 34 percent of Trump voters listed the Fox News as their "most trusted source of news"—a 24 percent drop from the 58 percent that favored the network in October 2016.

 

Two news outlets have increased in prominence among conservatives in recent months. Newsmax is now seen as the most trusted source of news among 17 percent of Trump supporters and One American News Network (OAN) among 9 percent.

 

Newsweek reached out to Fox News for comment.

 

David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center said the findings indicated a "seismic shift in the landscape of trusted news sources for conservatives."

 

The GOP has devolved into a virtual civil war between the Trump wing and the establishment wing impatient to quell his influence on the party.

 

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In some ways, this highlights the point - “conservatives” will simply move on to other sources that fully support their preconceived viewpoints.  Namely, sources that are 100% on board the Trump train, and 1000% against the libs.  There’s no interest in objectivity, middle ground, honest discourse.  That may not be a totally fair statement of course - there’s some nuance in terms of the current iteration of the GOP (never-trumpers, vs hardcore supporters for example) and in terms of types of media consumed, etc.  

Now, I say this as someone that doesn’t touch right wing media and only sees tangential mentions used as ridicule, so maybe there are (right wing) sources that are firmly in the camp of simply reporting (vs opining)... even if they likely have a built in bias of what they’re reporting?

 

Side note:  I found adfontesmedia.com is an interesting look - they’ve gotten panels (dem, repub, and indy on each panel) to review articles and such from different sources and give them ratings.  Many of you have probably seen the bias chart.  I passed it on to a friend who isn’t a conservative persay (and does hate Trump), but has questionable media intake - she seemed interested at least...

 

@mistertimI’m right there with you.  I’ve wondered about the idea (I may have mentioned this previously, I can’t recall) of a law that looks at what can and can’t be considered ‘press’.  Put rules in place for journalism and if you break them, you can’t put out articles that are considered “news” (or you get fined, etc).  You can add probationary periods/suspensions, and so on...  Randos could still post/write whatever they want (no impinging on the 1st amendment), but can’t write bogus “articles”.  Not a “fix” of course, but it’s something. 

[mistertim]

Yeah it would definitely toe that line when it comes to the 1st amendment. The conundrum is that nowadays even some rando who happens to have a ton of Twitter/Facebook followers can spread disinformation almost as fast as a news outlet. There would have to be some way to prove that the information the person was disseminating was not only knowingly and demonstrably false, but that it also was a public safety threat. 

 

Again, that could be tough to prove, and if the rules were too lax in the wrong hands it could easily lend itself to abuse and stifling of any speech that was against x, y, or z.

 

When it comes to a news outlet, yeah they should be fined into oblivion if it can be proven they were knowingly giving out disinformation...especially if it's potentially dangerous (ala COVID hoax theories or anti-masker bull****). That an have any licenses they have pulled.

[China]

Anti-Trumpers are done with the GOP. Where do they go now?

 

When Jim Hendren, a longtime Arkansas state legislator, announced on Thursday that he was leaving the GOP, it marked the latest in a flurry of recent defections from the party.

Tens of thousands of Republicans across the country have changed their registrations in the weeks since the riot at the Capitol — many of them, like Hendren, becoming independents. Other former party officials are discussing forming a third party.

 

But if the Republicans’ reasons for leaving the GOP are obvious — primarily, disdain for former President Donald Trump and his stranglehold on the party — the sobering reality confronting them on the other side is that there’s really no place to go.

 

The Democratic Party, which continues to move leftward, isn’t a good ideological fit. Those who want to fight to recapture the GOP from within are vastly outnumbered. Building a third party from scratch requires gigantic sums of money and overcoming a thicket of daunting state laws designed in large part by the two major parties.

 

“Right now, everybody’s just trying to figure out how to coalesce what is a small fraction of the Republican Party — what do we do with it,” said former Illinois Rep. Joe Walsh, who unsuccessfully challenged Trump for the Republican presidential nomination. “And starting a third party is extremely difficult.”

 

Walsh said he and others who have left the GOP are “kind of in the wilderness.”

 

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[China]

Growing number of Republican donors aim to prise party from Trump influence

 

Some four dozen Republican donors were on a fundraising conference call on 5 February with Liz Cheney, the congresswoman and only Republican House leader to vote for Donald Trump’s impeachment for his role in the mob attack on the Capitol on 6 January.

 

Many of the donors on the Cheney call are expected to donate the maximum amount of $5,800 to her 2022 re-election campaign before the end of the first quarter of this year, to ward off a primary challenge to her which Trump loyalists like congressman Matt Gaetz are encouraging, said Michael Epstein, a leading Maryland Republican donor.

 

“We want to show a really big cycle for her to scare off competition,” Epstein said in an interview. “We want people who make judgments based on what’s right.”

 

The number of donors on the call reflects in part a growing movement among Republican fundraisers to try to fight off threats from the Trump-supporting majority, which has maintained its hold on the Republican base, despite Trump’s loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

 

Though still a minority in Republican political circles, Trump’s critics – and the moneyed donors who are backing them – are scrambling fast on multiple fronts to try to prise control of the party away from those loyally toeing the Trump line.

 

Nikki Haley, the ex-Trump UN ambassador who is eyeing a presidential run in 2024, is hosting Zoom fundraisers on 3 and 4 March for her Political Action Committee (Pac), and is expected to draw dozens of big Republican donors attracted to her criticism of Trump during the Senate trial, when Haley told Politico she was “disgusted” and “angry” at Trump’s role in the 6 January riot.

 

Haley’s fundraising Pac, dubbed Stand for America, is expected to support Cheney and others who voted to impeach Trump – plus other candidates who voted against impeachment – say fundraisers with ties to her.

 

A more aggressive effort to try to take on Trump and his allies and move the Republican party away from their influence, is also being mounted by a new Pac called Country First, which was unveiled in late January by the Illinois congressman Adam Kinzinger, one of just 10 Republican House members who voted to impeach Trump.

 

Kinzinger, who has been censured by his local party for backing Trump’s impeachment, was outspoken after the Senate failed to convict Trump.

 

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[NoCalMike]

Didn't know where to put this and didn't want to bog down the Star Wars thread with more Gina Carano talk.

 

Her interview with Shapiro was laughable.  She claims a double standard because she didn't "follow the narrative" but of course was never asked the follow up to explain the "narrative she was supposed to follow"  There was also a lot of double speak from her that went against previous comments.   When she first spoke out she claims she was never a political person and still isn't but then in the interview with Shapiro she spoke of her friendship with Pascal and how they remained friends despite their strong ideological differences on politics.  So wait, she is or isn't a political person?   She comes off very familiar to Candace Owens in the early days of the grift where she only had about 40% of the talking points down and anytime she had to come up with thoughts outside of the script.......hoo boy.

 

She doesn't seem to realize that she has basically been used as a prop by Ben Shapiro to try and get exposure and subs from people who would never otherwise know who he was or care to follow a wretched outlet like Daily Wire let alone subscribe to it.

Edited February 22, 2021 by NoCalMike

[goskins10]

This could go in the riot thread but I put it here becasue I think it applies to the larger picture of where the sewer rats of the GOP dwell. Below in quotes is an actual response to me asking on what planet can Nancy Pelosi be blamed for the Jan insurrection. 

 

Starts off with the normal snark trying to appear superior with the earth comment then proceeds to strong together one long line of lies and BS. How do people get there and how do we get them out? I am at a loss. This person has literally lost their mind. 

 

"First of all just to clear it up this planet is earth. And Nancy has responsibly because she was in on the planning. BLM and Antifa have been paid and sent by bus all across the county to raise hell for 5 years. Trump's exact words to " March down to the Capital to peacefully and patriotically have your voices heard. He never invited any violence. Video evidence of patriots stopping antifa thugs dressed in Trump gear from breaking windows. All you have is your gas lighting projection. But your gas is old. Try as you may It Doesn't work."

[China]

The GOP’s Cowardice Means They Will Live in Fear Forever

 

Republicans had a choice to make over the last few months, a period during which their presidential candidate refused to concede after losing and whose behavior inspired an attack on the Capitol that will now put an asterisk on America’s tradition of the peaceful transition of power.

 

They could have shown a modicum of backbone, realizing that there are worse things to fear than the president’s defunct Twitter account. They could have voted to impeach Trump, convict him, and disqualify him from future office. They could have drawn a clear line that they won’t submit to politics by mob agitation.

 

Or they could continue to cower in fear, terrified that his base would punish them at the ballot box for doing the right thing. The GOP took the path of cowardice.

 

As Shakespeare told us, a coward dies a thousand deaths, while the brave man dies but one. The GOP has chosen to die a thousand deaths. Rather than standing up to the Trumpist mob and risking political destruction once, they will die bit by bit, over and over, acquiescing to one indignity after another and destroying the party slowly.

 

This coward’s dilemma is summed up in the one new thing we learned during the impeachment, though not in the hearings themselves: a more detailed report about Donald Trump’s refusal to help congressmen under immediate threat from the Capitol rioters.

 

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In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did. “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy. …

 

A furious McCarthy told the then-President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, “Who the f— do you think you are talking to?” according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call. …

 

The Republican members of Congress said the exchange showed Trump had no intention of calling off the rioters even as lawmakers were pleading with him to intervene.

 

Keep these details in mind when you consider the meaning of the House and Senate votes on Trump’s impeachment.

 

The Republicans in the House who voted not to impeach, and the senators who voted not to convict, voted to accept that kind of mob attack as a normal part of their political lives. They voted for tyranny—not over the country as a whole, but over themselves, personally. They voted to live in fear of Trump and Trump’s mobs.

 

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[PleaseBlitz]

Blue collar infers moderate?  I thought it inferred someone that works with their back, not their mind. 

[TradeTheBeal!]

17 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

Blue collar infers moderate?  I thought it inferred someone that works with their back, not their mind. 

Next time I do a meeting with my service department, I’ll hit em with some Cornel West and Jimmy Dore.

 

I’ll report back with my findings.

[Larry]

1 hour ago, China said:

Growing number of Republican donors aim to prise party from Trump influence

 

"The plan was for the money to be in change of the morons". 

[China]

Featured CPAC speaker said Judaism is a “complete lie” and referred to Jewish people as “thieving fake Jews”

 

Update (2/22/21): CPAC has cancelled Young Pharaoh’s scheduled appearance following the publication of this article. Young Pharaoh’s information has also been removed from CPAC’s website. The theme of this year’s gathering is “American Uncanceled.” 

 

Leading Republican officials are set to speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) this week along with a virulently anti-Semitic speaker named Young Pharaoh. 

 

Young Pharaoh is an online commentator who has told followers that Judaism is a “complete lie” and “made up for political gain,” said that Jewish people are “thieving fake Jews,” tweeted that “all the censorship & pedophilia on social media is being done by Israeli Jews,” and claimed that “all of these big tech [companies], media, & social media platforms are controlled by CCP & Israel through Jewish CEO & corrupt Democrats.” Young Pharaoh has also attacked conservative commentator Ben Shapiro for being Jewish. He’s additionally promoted the QAnon and Pizzagate conspiracy theories and falsely claimed that coronavirus vaccines will “alter your DNA.” 

 

The American Conservative Union and ACU Chair Matt Schlapp run CPAC, which is scheduled for February 25-28 in Orlando, Florida. On its website, CPAC describes itself as “the largest and most influential gathering of conservatives in the world. Launched in 1974, CPAC brings together hundreds of conservative organizations, thousands of activists, millions of viewers and the best and brightest leaders in the world.” This year’s speakers include former President Donald Trump, Govs. Ron DeSantis (FL) and Kristi Noem (SD), and numerous other leading Republicans. 

 

According to its schedule, CPAC is hosting Young Pharaoh during a Sunday session called “Please Check the Number and Dial Again: Doubt, Dysfunction, and the Price of Missed Opportunities.”

 

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[LD0506]

1 hour ago, goskins10 said:

This could go in the riot thread but I put it here becasue I think it applies to the larger picture of where the sewer rats of the GOP dwell. Below in quotes is an actual response to me asking on what planet can Nancy Pelosi be blamed for the Jan insurrection. 

 

Starts off with the normal snark trying to appear superior with the earth comment then proceeds to strong together one long line of lies and BS. How do people get there and how do we get them out? I am at a loss. This person has literally lost their mind. 

 

"First of all just to clear it up this planet is earth. And Nancy has responsibly because she was in on the planning. BLM and Antifa have been paid and sent by bus all across the county to raise hell for 5 years. Trump's exact words to " March down to the Capital to peacefully and patriotically have your voices heard. He never invited any violence. Video evidence of patriots stopping antifa thugs dressed in Trump gear from breaking windows. All you have is your gas lighting projection. But your gas is old. Try as you may It Doesn't work."

 

Ok, wow........

 

Has anyone considered that x-raying their heads 'til they smoke might give some relief?

 

 

 

 

To us that is

[Larry]

18 minutes ago, China said:

 

Update (2/22/21): CPAC has cancelled Young Pharaoh’s scheduled appearance following the publication of this article. Young Pharaoh’s information has also been removed from CPAC’s website. The theme of this year’s gathering is “American Uncanceled.” 

 

 

[PleaseBlitz]

37 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Next time I do a meeting with my service department, I’ll hit em with some Cornel West and Jimmy Dore.

 

I’ll report back with my findings.

Maybe hit em with some Websters. 
 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blue-collar