The Sewer That Is The GOP: With All The White Supremacists, Conspiracy Nutters, And Other Malicious Whacko Subgroups, How Does It Get Fixed?

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

Jim Waurishuk seems like a real dip****.

[Larry]

25 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

Here's a fix. Stop elevating people like this.

 

"But he's just like me!"

[tshile]

Re:thread title change

 

there won’t be any to fix if you get rid of them all

[Die Hard]

1 hour ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Jim Waurishuk seems like a real dip****.

When you consider that he’s completely projecting.... 

[youngestson]

The GOP is done. It's the Trump party. It's not getting "fixed" or really changing much.

 

What actually seems to be happening is old-line conservatives are leaving.

 

I never thought I'd see the day, but I suspect we're going to see an actual third party. Formed from Lincoln Project types, George Will fans and maybe what's left of what was once the conservative end of the Democrats. 

[Warhead36]

Yeah I'm thinking we might legit have three parties now.

 

You're gonna see the more extreme left wing. The AOCs and Bernie types.

 

You're gonna see the more extreme right wing. Basically the party of Trump and white supremacy.

 

And the middle ground party led by the Biden types but will also be joined by the more moderate Dems and the more reasonable current Repubs.

[MisterPinstripe]

I think that party layout leaves a lot of people wanting. I am more conservative and right now there is no party that I feel like I can fit into so I have none right now. I would probably say I’m a right leaning moderate. Biden may catch some moderates, but as a right leaning moderate I need something else. The extremes and then a Biden type leaves a lot of people without a party basically.

[88Comrade2000]

26 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah I'm thinking we might legit have three parties now.

 

You're gonna see the more extreme left wing. The AOCs and Bernie types.

 

You're gonna see the more extreme right wing. Basically the party of Trump and white supremacy.

 

And the middle ground party led by the Biden types but will also be joined by the more moderate Dems and the more reasonable current Repubs.

Don't care for either extreme but having 3 parties is a good thing. 

[Jumbo]

14 hours ago, tshile said:

Re:thread title change

 

there won’t be any to fix if you get rid of them all

 

 as worded ("get rid of them all")  that's not an actual possible choice on the table so imo it's silly (other than as a vent/expression of sentiment)

 

in reality, i guess it would be a fix in a sense..but is it the most, or even a, desirable one...as worded, i'd say no, not at all

 

but if a sizable percentage (not thinking anywhere close to a majority at all) change identification and affiliation in some way to where "gop" or "republican" is seriously minimized as a brand, i'd call that a good thing and moving in a better direction for the nation overall

 

this last four years of sledge-hammering home hard ugly facts about that base that have long been called out has been overpowering imo

 

even if they were (expected) to largely return to the same shenanigans/crap-thinking that made them what they are, whether in denial of or support for trumpworld to date, it would be an improvement as the damage (consequences) done to the brand would be on record and i suspect would be broadly considered deserved

 

 

[Mooka]

The system as a whole is not designed for 3 parties. 

 

Even if we had 3, it would dissolve back down to 2 at some point.

 

If you think of a basic election, 3 or more viable candidates eventually comes down to 2; otherwise the winners are winning without a majority.

[Renegade7]

If GOP really does die and we have one party rule, this may be last chance for a really long time to have no parties at all. 

 

Dems in full power could dissolve themselves and require everyone running for office to be Independent.

 

The GOP can be saved, but should it?

[nonniey]

1 hour ago, youngestson said:

The GOP is done. It's the Trump party. It's not getting "fixed" or really changing much.

 

What actually seems to be happening is old-line conservatives are leaving.

 

I never thought I'd see the day, but I suspect we're going to see an actual third party. Formed from Lincoln Project types, George Will fans and maybe what's left of what was once the conservative end of the Democrats. 

It's the conservative end of the Democrats that entered the GOP that are the Trumpers (It was formally blue states where the GOP improved in 2016 while the previous Reds support declined a bit but stayed red). I don't think there will be a third party. The GOP will go into civil war for a few  election cycles before stabilizing.

3 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

If GOP really does die and we have one party rule, this may be last chance for a really long time to have no parties at all. 

 

Dems in full power could dissolve themselves and require everyone running for office to be Independent.

 

The GOP can be saved, but should it?

One party rule doesn't work too well - no matter the party and no the Dems won't dissolve themselves.

Edited June 8, 2020 by nonniey

[Renegade7]

3 minutes ago, nonniey said:

 

One party rule doesn't work too well - no matter the party and no the Dems won't dissolve themselves.

 

This is exactly why I'm not super excited about wiping out GOP without a new conservative party to replace it, there will be no check in the Dems no matter what they want to do.

 

We are lucky the demographic the GOP chained themselves to is shrinking, that didn't be the case with the DNC.  This maybe isn't the thread for it, but that's my thoughts, don't have parties at all because George Washington was right, and next time it gets to this point we might not be so lucky.

[88Comrade2000]

43 minutes ago, Mooka said:

The system as a whole is not designed for 3 parties. 

 

Even if we had 3, it would dissolve back down to 2 at some point.

 

If you think of a basic election, 3 or more viable candidates eventually comes down to 2; otherwise the winners are winning without a majority.

Clinton, Nixon didn't win with a majority.  We have had 2 presidents not win the majority of votes but winning the EC this century.

 

We will be fine.

[sjinhan]

18 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

This is exactly why I'm not super excited about wiping out GOP without a new conservative party to replace it, there will be no check in the Dems no matter what they want to do.

 

We are lucky the demographic the GOP chained themselves to is shrinking, that didn't be the case with the DNC.  This maybe isn't the thread for it, but that's my thoughts, don't have parties at all because George Washington was right, and next time it gets to this point we might not be so lucky.

 

I really hope that GOP as we know it now disappears in the near future.  I wish that the same will happen to the current DNC as they are as worse as GOP is so let's not fool ourselves.

 

I hope that new party or new GOP regime that rises to the top are the financially conservative and socially liberal group ala pragmatic libertarians...  and I am not talking about Rand Paul sucks...   

 

As former Yang Gang member who really HATE the current DNC party, where is the Republican version of Andrew Yang when we need one?

[Larry]

1 hour ago, Jumbo said:

as worded ("get rid of them all")  that's not an actual possible choice on the table so imo it's silly (other than as a vent/expression of sentiment)

 

Can we get rid of 10% of them?  I'm trying to be flexible, here.  

 

Maybe 10% of the ones in Texas?  Or Florida?  Florida would be OK.  

 

56 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

This is exactly why I'm not super excited about wiping out GOP without a new conservative party to replace it, there will be no check in the Dems no matter what they want to do.

 

You don't think the traditional Dem disorganization would be a limit?  

 

First 2 years of Obama, the Dems didn't exactly socialize the whole country.  (Despite what Fox claimed they did.)  

Edited June 8, 2020 by Larry

[Renegade7]

11 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

You don't think the traditional Dem disorganization would be a limit?  

 

First 2 years of Obama, the Dems didn't exactly socialize the whole country.  (Despite what Fox claimed they did.)  

 

Well, Obama wasn't a socialist, for one.

 

The number #2 candidate behind Biden in their primary this year was.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

The GOP isn't going anywhere. Too many people are far too entrenched in their beliefs to ever stop being a threat electorally. And as long as those voters exist, their leaders will always have money to make and power to seek to keep the game going. 

 

Trump won't destroy the GOP. They will simply double down on their beliefs while being a little more careful about who they hitch their ride to in the future.

[youngestson]

2 hours ago, nonniey said:

It's the conservative end of the Democrats that entered the GOP that are the Trumpers (It was formally blue states where the GOP improved in 2016 while the previous Reds support declined a bit but stayed red). I don't think there will be a third party. The GOP will go into civil war for a few  election cycles before stabilizing.

One party rule doesn't work too well - no matter the party and no the Dems won't dissolve themselves.

Hal Hefflin, Sam Nunn, and Paul Simon Trumpers? I don't agree at all. 

 

EDIT: Do you mean Dixicrats who started voting Republican with Goldwater and Nixon? 

Edited June 8, 2020 by youngestson

[Mooka]

1 hour ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Clinton, Nixon didn't win with a majority.  We have had 2 presidents not win the majority of votes but winning the EC this century.

 

We will be fine.

 

Those are examples of the system failing because there were 3 viable candidates. 

 

Nixon winning without the majority created all sorts of redistricting issues that were eventually fixed/changed/gerrymandered to form the 2 main parties we have today. 

 

So fine or not, it still dissolved down into 2 parties. Otherwise every election wouldn't have a majority winner which at its core is an unrepresentative government.

[nonniey]

17 minutes ago, youngestson said:

Hal Hefflin, Sam Nunn, and Paul Simon Trumpers? I don't agree at all. 

 

EDIT: Do you mean Dixicrats who started voting Republican with Goldwater and Nixon? 

Not talking about the politicians I'm talking about the base union types and yes many of the old base dixiecrats still exist it's just they didn't have the pull to get their type of guy nominated (at the national level)  until joined by the disaffected white (Northern) dems of 2016 (The conservatives and moderates didn't help themselves by getting in each others way as well in 2016).   Trump needs to be crushed this November if the non-populists Republicans/Conservatives want to regain their party.

[Jumbo]

if i owned the site i'd be tempted to have "white supremacist party" show every time someone types gop or republican

 

[CousinsCowgirl84]

ProFootballTalk: 2,000-yard rusher done with Oklahoma State over Mike Gundy wearing OAN T-shirt

 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/06/15/2000-yard-rusher-done-with-oklahoma-state-over-mike-gundy-wearing-oan-t-shirt/

 

 

 

Holding media accountable for failing to hold politicians accountable isn’t a bad place to start.... and one way to do that is by holding your friends, family coworkers, ect, accountable for supporting these networks.

 

 

 

 

[China]

Gundy is the same guy who said he was willing to sacrifice his players to coronavirus so the University could generate some revenue with the football program.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

He's also the "I'M A MAN! I'M FORTY!!" guy.