The (only!) official ES all things Kirk Cousins should we shouldn't we off-season thread.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

21 hours ago, PF Chang said:

If Bruce actually believes that Colt can hit 90% of Kirk's production, he is the dumbest executive in the history of sports. I hope that's just a (very unconvincing) negotiating tactic. The organization is completely screwed if Bruce legitimately believes that. 

I agree with you. 

 

Having said that, if Bruce actually believes it then he's doing the right thing. 

[wit33]

@TD_washingtonredskins

If Bruce believes it, you'd have to think the coach who just accepted a contract extension is spearheading this behind the scenes as well.

 

We have no clue, but just to have fun with hypotheticals.  

[Bang]

I'm reminded of a South park scene in which it is revealed the huge corporate puppetmasters make gigantic decisions by cutting off a chicken's head and letting it run around a board of possible answers, choosing the one it dies on.

 

~Bang

[Est.1974]

22 hours ago, PF Chang said:

If Bruce actually believes that Colt can hit 90% of Kirk's production, he is the dumbest executive in the history of sports. I hope that's just a (very unconvincing) negotiating tactic. The organization is completely screwed if Bruce legitimately believes that. 

 

You will find out the answer to that in the next month. Kirk would be gone by the draft if that were the case.

[desertbeagle85]

This is why players like Kirk piss me off. Brady going down as best QB to play the game and he takes less money a lot less money. Brock I believe made more than him last year.

 

Think about that

Tom Brady gets a nice Friday paycheck
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/01/tom-brady-gets-a-nice-friday-paycheck/

 

 

With that being said we need Kirk signed long term. So pay him his money, but it is sad. Of course maybe he just doesn't want to play here. Which I don't blame Kirk if that's the case.

[Morneblade]

3 minutes ago, desertbeagle85 said:

This is why players like Kirk piss me off. Brady going down as best QB to play the game and he takes less money a lot less money. Brock I believe made more than him last year.

 

Think about that

Tom Brady gets a nice Friday paycheck
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/01/tom-brady-gets-a-nice-friday-paycheck/

 

 

With that being said we need Kirk signed long term. So pay him his money, but it is sad. Of course maybe he just doesn't want to play here. Which I don't blame Kirk if that's the case.

 

Players like Brady, that have been with a organization for many years, that has been treated well by that organization and that organization has been very well run and has produced multiple Superbowl wins, AND have a supermodel wife that out- earns you will make allowances.

 

Players that don't, won't.

[William Barbour]

Kirk Cousins is going to work through the tag as long as the tag is an option. I was one of the ONLY people preaching it in September on twitter and I'm still saying it now. The only funny part is now analysts and radio hosts are starting to come around to the same conclusion. 

 

Sheftner predicted this would happen. He said last year before the season that this will end up being the craziest contract situation in the history of the NFL. That is when I did my research and came to the conclusion that Kirk has the Redskins by the balls. He's not only the best QB they've had in 20+ years. Hes arguably the best QB in the NFCE at the moment. 

 

He will have his agent work through the tag. Not because he DOESN'T want to be here, but because he has the potential to make 72 million GAURANTEED in 3 years. Most QB's that get big contracts will have their deals restructured by year 3-4. So Kirk could become the highest profitable player in NFL history if played right. 

 

Its not crazy that the Redskins wont use the tag next year either. If you remember, most people were saying this years tag would be INSANE to use on Kirk because the money seemed to high. What adds to the uniqueness of this situation is the cap is ever growing. It will continue to grow,  and when 20 million seemed like WAY to much to pay a QB per year. Now in a few short years seems like a bargain. I predict next year will be the same for 28-30mil. SO, it's not outside the range of possibilities that we are looking at another TAG next season. 

 

If I was asked to predict whats goingto happen...I predicted the tag this year, and I predict again that Kirk Cousins will play for the Redskins under the TAG again in 2018. Following that 70 million guaranteed in 3 years, he will settle for a contract for an additional 5 years and 50-60 guaranteed. He could get more, but I think that the end game. If Im Kirks agent....That is what Im shooting for, and why he has been "working through the tag, as long as the tag is an option" -Kirk Cousins words on Sheftner podcast. 

[Dirt]

45 minutes ago, desertbeagle85 said:

This is why players like Kirk piss me off. Brady going down as best QB to play the game and he takes less money a lot less money. Brock I believe made more than him last year.

 

Think about that

Tom Brady gets a nice Friday paycheck
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/01/tom-brady-gets-a-nice-friday-paycheck/

 

 

With that being said we need Kirk signed long term. So pay him his money, but it is sad. Of course maybe he just doesn't want to play here. Which I don't blame Kirk if that's the case.

I think Kirk seems to be the opposite of that kind of player.  He seems like a genuinely good guy, like too good for his own good, the kind of guy to loan you his last 20 bucks.

 

But this is the NFL and he has an agent.  It's barely up to him what the numbers are.  And there is a market to "abide by". 

 

Brady isn't a good comparison.  I think DHall did something similar?  But still not comparable to a QB, especially not one that's been double franchised.

[TSO]

@William Barbour Are you plagiarizing or are you this guy on twitter? Because that's verbatim: 

 

 

 

I remember seeing you do this before, copying a tweet word for word here... but I can't remember if it was the same account. 

[Dirt]

Lol dagger 

 

The worst kind of plagiarism is when you change a few words here and there. Why not just copy and paste brother lol

[carex]

56 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

Players like Brady, that have been with a organization for many years, that has been treated well by that organization and that organization has been very well run and has produced multiple Superbowl wins, AND have a supermodel wife that out- earns you will make allowances.

 

Players that don't, won't.

 

but Brady taking less isn't new

[TSO]

33 minutes ago, carex said:

 

but Brady taking less isn't new

 

Really? 

 

Quote

Quarterback Tom Brady signed a four-year extension with the New England Patriots that will make him the NFL's highest-paid player, a source close to the negotiations confirmed Thursday night.t

 

Brady's contract is worth $72 million and guarantees him $48.5 million, a source familiar with the deal told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The extension, which will be filed with the league Friday, will be added onto the final year of Brady's contract and runs through 2014, when he will be 37. Brady, 33, has said he wants to play until he's 40.

 

Brady, who was picked by the Patriots in the sixth round of the 2000 draft, is making $6.5 million this season in the final year of an earlier four-year, $48 million extension. The new deal will make him the league's top-paid player in terms of average annual salary.

http://www.espn.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5552561

 

 

And people should really stop using Brady's recent contract as an example. He's the clear exception to the rule. 

[Tsailand]

56 minutes ago, Dirt said:

He seems like a genuinely good guy, like too good for his own good, the kind of guy to loan you his last 20 bucks.

 

Agreed.  Look at that three year, 19.5M/year deal he offered before the 2016 season.  Hard to say who was dumber, him for offering it, or the Redskins for turning it down.

[carex]

33 minutes ago, thesubmittedone said:

 

Really? 

 

http://www.espn.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5552561

 

 

And people should really stop using Brady's recent contract as an example. He's the clear exception to the rule. 

 

up till now then

[William Barbour]

3 hours ago, thesubmittedone said:

@William Barbour Are you plagiarizing or are you this guy on twitter? Because that's verbatim: 

 

 

 

I remember seeing you do this before, copying a tweet word for word here... but I can't remember if it was the same account. 

Thats me duh lol

3 hours ago, Dirt said:

Lol dagger 

 

The worst kind of plagiarism is when you change a few words here and there. Why not just copy and paste brother lol

It's me dork. Lol.

 

I changed a few words because I couldn't change the font on my phone and needed to sceen shot it to save on a notepad. 

[TSO]

2 hours ago, carex said:

 

up till now then

 

Well, yeah, that's pretty much why it's useless to mention him. He's only done that recently after making a **** load of money for well over a decade. With a wife who has a ridiculous net value and some shady under-dealings with Kraft's mall. 

 

It's hardly some example to set for other players. Don't know why what is arguably the biggest anomaly in contract-history keeps getting presented like it's something to emulate. 

 

12 minutes ago, William Barbour said:

Thats me duh lol

It's me dork. Lol.

 

I changed a few words because I couldn't change the font on my phone and needed to sceen shot it to save on a notepad. 

 

 

 

 

Lol, I was worried and was just trying to protect this twitter account, so I asked. I'm glad that's cleared up, though.  

[TSO]

 

 

Posted by @HTTRDynasty in the twitter thread. That says a lot in terms of what Kirk and the offense still accomplished to me. A LOT. 

[NewCliche21]

2 hours ago, William Barbour said:

Thats me duh lol

It's me dork. Lol.

 

I changed a few words because I couldn't change the font on my phone and needed to sceen shot it to save on a notepad. 

 

There's a poster on here who would literally take people's posts, copy and paste them to his twitter, and then try to take credit for it.  Jerry Brewer loved a post of mine, apparently.  Had no idea, though, because some other guy lifted it.

[William Barbour]

2 hours ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

There's a poster on here who would literally take people's posts, copy and paste them to his twitter, and then try to take credit for it.  Jerry Brewer loved a post of mine, apparently.  Had no idea, though, because some other guy lifted it.

I prefer to have my own opinions 

[FrFan]

I prefer to have my own flawed irrelevant opinions so no one will copy them

[TheGreat8s]

I really don't understand anyone that would advocate cutting ties with Cousins. After all these years of the endless QB carousel, we have finally found a guy that can produce elite numbers under this offense, who is a good locker room presence and gets along well with the coach. Despite what any analysts may say, QB is easily the cornerstone and foundation to a solid contender, and we have finally found our guy. The oniy thing we should be discussing is how to fix this god awful defense

[Stefanskins]

18 hours ago, thesubmittedone said:

 

Well, yeah, that's pretty much why it's useless to mention him. He's only done that recently after making a **** load of money for well over a decade. With a wife who has a ridiculous net value and some shady under-dealings with Kraft's mall. 

 

It's hardly some example to set for other players. Don't know why what is arguably the biggest anomaly in contract-history keeps getting presented like it's something to emulate. 

 

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By Bob Hohler GLOBE STAFF  DECEMBER 20, 2015
The Patriots, in an unusual departure from National Football League practice, have created a revenue stream for a private business owned by their franchise quarterback, Tom Brady, and a partner who faced federal sanctions after falsely presenting himself as a medical doctor and deceptively promoting nutritional supplements.

 

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Tom Brady and his friend, body coach, guru, and business partner Alex Guerrero co-own (along with a friend of Patriots owner Robert Kraft's, as well as a lawyer with ties to Patriots and Kraft) a limited liability corporation called TB12, which operates the TB12 Sports Therapy Center at 240 Patriot Place, just down the road from Gilette Stadium.

Now, the Boston Globe is reporting that one of the TB12 Sports Therapy Center's clients is the New England Patriots.
Since the center opened in 2013, the team has paid the company for Guerrero and his staff to provide treatment services and nutritional advice to multiple Patriots players.
The Globe did not determine how many players Guerrero and his staff have treated or how much money the Patriots have paid Brady and Guerrero’s company. The team and the two principals all declined to comment.

 

The NFL says it is aware of the arrangement and has taken no action, despite questions from some specialists in sports law and economics about whether teams should pay for services by for-profit companies owned by their active players and whether the relationship provides value to Brady that should be counted against the club’s salary cap.
That last point there is potentially sticky. The Globe report states that the Patriots pay the center's market rate of $200 per hour to treat players while other physical therapy companies pay large sums of money to sponsor teams like the Eagles and Bears. The Patriots' payment for services could potentially be viewed as providing Brady with "additional value" outside his contract, which is not allowed under the collective bargaining agreement. 

[carex]

9 hours ago, TheGreat8s said:

I really don't understand anyone that would advocate cutting ties with Cousins. After all these years of the endless QB carousel, we have finally found a guy that can produce elite numbers under this offense, who is a good locker room presence and gets along well with the coach. Despite what any analysts may say, QB is easily the cornerstone and foundation to a solid contender, and we have finally found our guy. The oniy thing we should be discussing is how to fix this god awful defense

 

if feelings are hurt as easily as it seems I'm not sure he'd remain a good locker room presence for long.

 

It seems strange to me to open with a seeming take it or leave it offer but  I wonder if maybe the Skins are waiting for post draft to make a new one.  See if the Browns and 9ers draft QBs

[markmills67]

This whole Cousin's saga is beginning to ---- me off, the very least I want to hear asap is Allen saying that we will do everything in our power to sign Cousin's to a LTD. This needs sorting and NOW.

[tomwvr]

Question on a QB contract what kind of incentives are allowed - WINS? YARDS? TDS? INTS? PROBOWL? PLAYOFFS? SUPERBOWL?

 

Could the team offer him a 5 yr 20 mil a year base with say 50 guaranteed  - and add millions on incentives such as what I listed?