twa Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 The left just wants freedom and the right wants to discriminate is just the usual BS line that ignores the left imposing.(as does the right) you can certainly jump back and forth between camps on different issues, but it never puts you in the middle.....more like lukewarm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 hour ago, twa said: The left just wants freedom and the right wants to discriminate is just the usual BS line that ignores the left imposing.(as does the right) you can certainly jump back and forth between camps on different issues, but it never puts you in the middle.....more like lukewarm. As asked for prior in this thread, please cite the social issues that the Left is seeking to impose on the lives of the Right. When you cite specific expamples of social issues that the Left wants to force the Right to do then I'll cite the ones the Right wants to ensure that the Left comply with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 hour ago, twa said: The left just wants freedom and the right wants to discriminate is just the usual BS line that ignores the left imposing.. I wouldn't say the Right JUST wants to discriminate. Its just one part of numerous planks in their platform. But it absolutely is a PART. And has been, non stop, since the invention of the Southern Strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 They went Northern strategy this time....baffle them with BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rskins06 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Can we please stop with the whole "the left are a platform of tolerance and freedom" BS. In the past, I could proudly display a cross, a flag or any symbol in my front yard without fear. Now, I have to worry about offending 1 person (not 1 group but 1 person) and being sued, or called intolerant or told not to push my religion on others. We have the freedom of religion, as long as I am not Christian and/or as long as I don't publicly display my faith to avoid offending anyone who doesn't believe as I. How is this intolerance? The right is labeled homophobic because the belief of marriage is between a man and women (as defined by the bible). I am not a supporter of gay marriage, HOWEVER, I fully accept gay unions to afford the same incentives as traditional marriages. Another example of a social issue forced. The Supreme Court clarified it, I don't support it based on my Christian values, however, I do accept it as the law. Isn't that being tolerant? Just because I don't support it, doesn't mean I can't accept it. The left's platform of tolerance is only based on having the same beliefs and thoughts, it does not apply to everyone. Some have selective hearing and only hear what they want, the left have selective tolerance and are only tolerant as long as you believe the same. The left is very intolerant to those who think differently than them. If you believe differently than the left you are labeled a racist (this is their favorite go to), intolerant, homophobic, blah, blah, blah. The party (progressives mostly) that preaches tolerance is the actual definition of intolerance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Cuts both ways Ed, I think you'd find yourself out of step with many on the "right" just by being willing to be tolerant. <sigh> Not exactly sure when we got to be such a bunch of whiners, on both sides, all sides, up n down and back n forth, the new national game seems to be "victimhood". For myself? Sei gesund, line n let live, I am not the least offended by a cheerful "Happy Hanukkah" or "Happy Kwanzaa" or anything else, but it seems like I am as out of step with current trends as anyone, so whatchagunnado? I'm unsure where this will all lead but maybe, just maybe we'll all end up so goddam sick n tired of this constant, whiny sniping that we'll actually agree to be Americans again and get along, the whole point of being American was supposed to be that getting along even when you disagree thing, wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Not a huge fan of memes but this one says just what you're getting at, LD, in a way that made me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 @Rskins06 brings up a good point and really has my questioning my recent actions. I thought I was promoting tolerance whenever I sued my neighbors for displaying Christian symbols in their yard but really my actions weren't very tolerant at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rskins06 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 LOL skinsfan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 20 minutes ago, Rskins06 said: Can we please stop with the whole "the left are a platform of tolerance and freedom" BS. In the past, I could proudly display a cross, a flag or any symbol in my front yard without fear. Now, I have to worry about offending 1 person (not 1 group but 1 person) and being sued, or called intolerant or told not to push my religion on others. We have the freedom of religion, as long as I am not Christian and/or as long as I don't publicly display my faith to avoid offending anyone who doesn't believe as I. How is this intolerance? Who has been sued for putting up religious symbols on their private property? (I am guessing somewhere somebody has tried because anybody can sue for anything, but enough to actually induce fear in you?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 26 minutes ago, Rskins06 said: Can we please stop with the whole "the left are a platform of tolerance and freedom" BS. In the past, I could proudly display a cross, a flag or any symbol in my front yard without fear. Now, I have to worry about offending 1 person (not 1 group but 1 person) and being sued, or called intolerant or told not to push my religion on others. We have the freedom of religion, as long as I am not Christian and/or as long as I don't publicly display my faith to avoid offending anyone who doesn't believe as I. How is this intolerance? This is a figment of your imagination and wholly dishonest as well. You are not now, nor ever have been, "worried" about being sued for displaying religious imagery on your private property. Absolutely nothing about this has any connection to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 The definition of tolerance is embracing the idea that others might find and call your views intolerant. That Christians who were promised that this would happen in the bible complain about it mystified me. Much less falsely represent how much it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rskins06 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 It's not a literal fear. Today, you have to be extra careful not to upset or offend anyone. And yes, people have been threatened when displaying things on their OWN personal property. We do not live in a nation of tolerance of ALL people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Rskins06 said: It's not a literal fear. Today, you have to be extra careful not to upset or offend anyone. And yes, people have been threatened when displaying things on their OWN personal property. We do not live in a nation of tolerance of ALL people. Using fake victimhood just justify your own biases isn't gonna fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, Rskins06 said: It's not a literal fear. Today, you have to be extra careful not to upset or offend anyone. And yes, people have been threatened when displaying things on their OWN personal property. We do not live in a nation of tolerance of ALL people. People have been threatened for just being who they are, sometimes with burning crosses put into their yards. What you are talking about is freedom of speech. Yes, you have a right to make a statement with a display in your yard. Yes, people have a right to criticize it. Add: And yes, if you have a neighborhood association, they can complain about your display just like a car up on blocks, or an unmown lawn, which is why I avoided buying a home subject to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I tend to use a religious analogy, I have no issue whatsoever with anyones beliefs or creed, go, do, enjoy, let it make you a better person, everyone benefits from that. Don't be shy, share it around, let me catch Diwali. might be fun, might learn a thing or two along the way because I ain't a'scairt of none of it. One kid has a Xmas star, another has a dreidel, go for it, I am not going to waste one single breath on telling you not to. No one elses beliefs threaten ME, their celebrations (or lack thereof do not constitute an affront to me and mine. Its when that line is crossed into "proselytizing", when you're bangin on my door to save me whether I want it or not, when you're making kids cry at Christmas because "God doesn't do Santa!", when you somehow convince yourself that it is your mission to enlighten the savages or save the sinners or tear down that tree because you aren't "feelin it", or talk **** about someone else that is, THEN we have a problem. Then it's not about beliefs but behaviors, then you absolutely deserve to be called out as an asshole. IMO the exact same mindset and rules apply to politics or social issues or race relations or a hundred reasons people use to rationalize their ****ty treatment of their neighbors. To me that's a pretty easily understood and basic way to deal, but again, that's me outta step with raucous times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 11 minutes ago, Rskins06 said: It's not a literal fear. Today, you have to be extra careful not to upset or offend anyone. And yes, people have been threatened when displaying things on their OWN personal property. We do not live in a nation of tolerance of ALL people. Here's what a lack of fear of offending or upsetting someone looks like. http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2016/12/21/racist-tirade-jefferson-mall-goes-viral/95692094/ Please cite your examples of the threats people received for putting things on their own property. I'm not going to shadowbox against your stories without the facts behind them....because we ALL know that for every sensational headline there are pages more behind the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 How many casualties did we all experience in the "War on Christmas" this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 minute ago, TryTheBeal! said: How many casualties did we all experience in the "War on Christmas" this year? Well they did have a black Santa at the Mall of America...from what I heard Jesus was not amused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: Well they did have a black Santa at the Mall of America...from what I heard Jesus was not amused. He prefers to self identify as white challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: Well they did have a black Santa at the Mall of America...from what I heard Jesus was not amused. Surprised that Snowflake Nation was able to make it through that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weganator Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, twa said: He prefers to self identify as white challenged. You assumed xhe's gender, you bigot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 14 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: Surprised that Snowflake Nation was able to make it through that. I love how each side is now complaining about what total pansies the other side is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 How about the realization that Jesus was really a Middle Eastern Jewish socialist who preached loving and treating others as ourselves, throwing the money changers out of the temple, didn't speak about homosexuality at all, forgave sinners, fed the poor, tended to the sick, said the meek shall inherit the earth? Seems all of his teachings fall by the wayside in the pursuit of ever more riches. And if people think that Trump is a Christian, well it's to laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I thought this was supposed to be a thread critiquing/evaluating Trump's cabinet picks. Instead it has devolved into the usual asinine "I'm a victim/ypur side is intolerant" b.s. Trump appears to be prepping for a W-sized spending spree (including an even more bloated infrastructure plan than what the GOP blocked Obama from passing), a renewed crackdown on legalized marijuana, abandonment of the Paris agreement, and a deliberate dismemberment of our global trading system. Forgive me if I just don't give a **** about some imaginary war on Christmas/Christianity, or any other overhyped social issue that the courts have already decided. The last 20 years have seen America vault back to the top of economic and technological supremacy, but it is an economy based on supply chain management and IT that appears to be woefully incomprehensible to a septagenarian whose only experience in business is marketing his own name in real estate; at least that seems to be the logical conclusion based on whatever few policy statements can be extracted from a landfill of mind numbing sloganeering. His cabinet picks thus far seem to be a disturbing mix of borderline racists (Bannion, Sessions), a plethora of ex-military, and droves of old money billionaires and millionaires. Conspicuously absent are those who might continue nurturing our hi-tech economy. The digital revolution we are in the midst of has been and continues to be exponentially transformative. It is the insecurity resultant from such a metamorphosis that produced a Trump victory, but if our nation's economic policies wind up pandering to such myopic paranoia, America won't continue to be great. Instead, we will find ourselves falling far behind in technologies to which we gave birth while our country is left depleted of funds because we mortgaged away our future for tanks the army didn't even want, or roads to nowhere. But hey, let's go back to arguing whether fundamentalists should be forced to sell wedding cakes or whether some redneck whore on her 4th marriage is a hero for refusing to issue gays marriage licenses because it dilutes the sanctity of marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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