mcsluggo Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Hersh said: On the 60 minutes piece it was mentioned that she wanted Dems that accepted corporate money to be primaried. The Dems need to be the big tent party. Advocating against Dems that do what the must on occasion to win is fine. That doesn’t mean going hard right but I’d rather have Joe Manchin than a GOP Senator from WV as an example. If she thinks otherwise, she’s an idiot. I’ll take a Dem that I agree with 80 percent of the time over someone I disagree with 80 percent of the time. BTW, it’s very easy for her to say to primary people when she lives in a district that is totally blue. 1 hour ago, Llevron said: True. But not going after fellow dems "because majority" is exactly how we ended up with a GOP who puts the party over literally everything. There is a balance for sure tho this is actually COMPLETELY ass-backwards. we ended up with the GOP becoming current swamp of Tea Party nutbag idiots because the lunatic base primaried out many of the most sane centrist Republicans. Those that were not primaried out are either leaving the system or are (have) rushed to the lunatic base to protect themselves. I think she has a quick wit, and zings out 1-liners with aplomb. but overall i am not a fan. she is (at this point) not at all seasoned enough in her tactics, nor well-though-out in her proposals. She is primarily a knee-jerk populist, and from a policy point is basically the left version of Trump---one you take away the booger-eating-moron and evil parts. She has the presence, and her heart is in the right place , and she MIGHT develop into something better... but she is not there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, mcsluggo said: She has the presence, and her heart is in the right place , and she MIGHT develop into something better... but she is not there yet. And there's nothing wrong with all this for now. She's a rookie! I'm perfectly happy to watch what she does in her current role. The more experienced dems SHOULD be on the front line against the GOP. Let her develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Llevron said: True. But not going after fellow dems "because majority" is exactly how we ended up with a GOP who puts the party over literally everything. There is a balance for sure tho Absolutely, but I think we don't always acknowledge what the Dems have done in some areas. Obamacare is flawed but it was a step in the right direction. The Dems are right on immigration, they've done good on the environment when they had power. Dems are on the right side of equal rights and voting rights, on minimum wage, net neutrality, etc. There is a lot more balance than we sometimes give credit for on the Dem side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Her status is also being elevated by the right for their own purposes. They know Pelosi's days are numbered one way or another, they need a new "face of the Democratic party" that they can splash on every random local county election to replace her with. The difference going forward is that the term "Socialism" isn't the great boogeyman it used to be, not because people suddenly want socialism, but because people are numb to that accusation since it has been hurled at just about every single democrat since I have been alive (and I am sure way before as well) and that over the past 30 years "Socialism" has become the defacto buzzword for any economic policy that doesn't benefit the wealthy first and foremost. It is a tired attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: Her status is also being elevated by the right for their own purposes. They know Pelosi's days are numbered one way or another, they need a new "face of the Democratic party" that they can splash on every random local county election to replace her with. The difference going forward is that the term "Socialism" isn't the great boogeyman it used to be, not because people suddenly want socialism, but because people are numb to that accusation since it has been hurled at just about every single democrat since I have been alive (and I am sure way before as well) and that over the past 30 years "Socialism" has become the defacto buzzword for any economic policy that doesn't benefit the wealthy first and foremost. It is a tired attack. And, aside from her ideology, lest we forget, she is the thing the right hates the most. An 'uppity' woman of color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, mcsluggo said: this is actually COMPLETELY ass-backwards. we ended up with the GOP becoming current swamp of Tea Party nutbag idiots because the lunatic base primaried out many of the most sane centrist Republicans. Those that were not primaried out are either leaving the system or are (have) rushed to the lunatic base to protect themselves. My knowledge is limited here, I guess. I didnt start paying alot of attention to this stuff until they were already the GOP they are now so I'm not surprised I put the chicken before the egg in this case. Appreciate the correction though. I'm trying to avoid the Dems becoming the GOP when they have all that power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said: And, aside from her ideology, lest we forget, she is the thing the right hates the most. An 'uppity' woman of color. EXACTLY. And (heaven forbid), one who is single, unburdened by children, --sorry for that phrase, but it gives her a whole lot more time to do her thing...which, at this moment, is fighting for the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Chachie said: And there's nothing wrong with all this for now. She's a rookie! I'm perfectly happy to watch what she does in her current role. The more experienced dems SHOULD be on the front line against the GOP. Let her develop. She's a developmental prospect. Her arm strength is great and she's got amazing escapability and mobility in the pocket. She's raw though, as she's only used to relatively simple high-low income reads and comes from a high tempo spread college political ideology so she'll need some time to adjust to pro conservative defenses as in the pros they're much faster, and way more racist, than the college defenses she faced. She's definitely a keeper though and could mature into a top tier QB once she gets some experience under her belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngestson Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, NoCalMike said: Her status is also being elevated by the right for their own purposes. They know Pelosi's days are numbered one way or another, they need a new "face of the Democratic party" that they can splash on every random local county election to replace her with. The difference going forward is that the term "Socialism" isn't the great boogeyman it used to be, not because people suddenly want socialism, but because people are numb to that accusation since it has been hurled at just about every single democrat since I have been alive (and I am sure way before as well) and that over the past 30 years "Socialism" has become the defacto buzzword for any economic policy that doesn't benefit the wealthy first and foremost. It is a tired attack. It's an old tactic, and maybe "tired" but it's proven effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, skinsmarydu said: EXACTLY. And (heaven forbid), one who is single, unburdened by children, --sorry for that phrase, but it gives her a whole lot more time to do her thing...which, at this moment, is fighting for the people. She best be spending that unburden time studying. Generally if you have to apologize for a phrase, you shouldn’t say it. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Using his oval office address to attack Democrats and the media and brag about himself no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, mistertim said: She's a developmental prospect. Her arm strength is great and she's got amazing escapability and mobility in the pocket. She's raw though, as she's only used to relatively simple high-low income reads and comes from a high tempo spread college political ideology so she'll need some time to adjust to pro conservative defenses as in the pros they're much faster, and way more racist, than the college defenses she faced. She's definitely a keeper though and could mature into a top tier QB once she gets some experience under her belt. She’s got great stuff. I’m not sure anybody can hit her best cheese. That tax increase proproal? Just a bucket of filth she threw across the plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, youngestson said: It's an old tactic, and maybe "tired" but it's proven effective. I wonder how long it will take before some right wing conspiracy site floats the idea that AOC had someone murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Dems really should leave the purity test to the GOP. Let them eat their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mcsluggo Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Llevron said: My knowledge is limited here, I guess. I didnt start paying alot of attention to this stuff until they were already the GOP they are now so I'm not surprised I put the chicken before the egg in this case. Appreciate the correction though. I'm trying to avoid the Dems becoming the GOP when they have all that power. Republicans USED to present a real economic and social policy alternative to Democrats. Traditionally there was, at the core, a rational choice to be made between marginally more services provided by government, with the cost of a commensurate increase in the level of taxes required to pay for those services. You could have a real debate on identifying how to best address the needs of the poor, and whether the direct provision of services zz service by the government was more effective/efficient for whatever long run policy objective... )or any other important issue at hand)... Now, instead, there is a choice between supporting spoiled lying whining little booger-eating-moron ****head populists --- and people that are not those turd-nuggets. its not the choice we deserve. we NEED a viable and intellectually based conservative alternative voice on how to address this country's needs. the GOP has abandoned this role, and no matter where you lie on the liberal-conservative spectrum, we are ALL much worse off for the lack of a real conservative opinion or option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Wow we've never seen this playbook before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Hersh said: Absolutely, but I think we don't always acknowledge what the Dems have done in some areas. Obamacare is flawed but it was a step in the right direction. The Dems are right on immigration, they've done good on the environment when they had power. Dems are on the right side of equal rights and voting rights, on minimum wage, net neutrality, etc. There is a lot more balance than we sometimes give credit for on the Dem side. This isn't directly at your statement. I'm just using it to illustrate a thought I have. I don't agree with phrases like "the Dems are right on _______" because the people who make up the party have pretty widely ranging stances. And that is a good thing in a party. Nothing good comes from an echo chamber. But you really can't say the party itself is right. You can only agree with certain peoples proposals. *Note this does not apply to the GOP. They pretty much all stay lock step with exactly what the party leader says. Refer to what I said about echo chambers. 5 hours ago, mcsluggo said: this is actually COMPLETELY ass-backwards. we ended up with the GOP becoming current swamp of Tea Party nutbag idiots because the lunatic base primaried out many of the most sane centrist Republicans. Those that were not primaried out are either leaving the system or are (have) rushed to the lunatic base to protect themselves. We ended up with the current mess because only the lunatic bases are the only ones that vote in primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Hersh said: She best be spending that unburden time studying. Generally if you have to apologize for a phrase, you shouldn’t say it. 😉 I wasn't necessarily apologizing, but sorry if it would offend. I don't consider myself childless, I consider myself childfree. That's me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 50 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said: I wasn't necessarily apologizing, but sorry if it would offend. I don't consider myself childless, I consider myself childfree. That's me. I was just messing with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, Hersh said: I was just messing with you Thanks, I got so much serious **** goin on here. I was cool single till 44. I had my own house. I bought drama I didn't ****in need. I get testy. GO CLEMSON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PleaseBlitz Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 ^^^^^Trump doesnt read. ^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long n Left Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: ^^^^^Trump doesnt read. ^^^^^^ Yeah, would have been much funnier if the owners manual was upside down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Sobel Quote Clifford Michael Sobel Clifford M Sobel embassy.jpg Clifford M. Sobel, Managing Partner of Valor Capital Born 1949 (age 69–70) Residence New Jersey Florida New York Nationality American Other names Cliff Sobel[1] Alma mater New York University, bachelor's degree Occupation Business Executive Managing Partner, Valor Capital Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, SJJ Investment Corp. Top Republican fundraiser[2] Board member of Diamond Offshore Drilling Empower America Republican Leadership Council Business Executives for National Security[3] Clifford Michael Sobel (born 1949, Brooklyn, New York) is an American business executive, financier, Republican fundraiser, U.S. diplomat and former ambassador. Most recently, he served as the United States Ambassador to Brazil.[4][5][6] He was nominated for the post by President George W. Bush on May 23, 2006, confirmed by the United States Senate on June 29, 2006, and sworn in by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on July 20, 2006. He presented his credentials to the Brazilian Foreign Ministry on August 2, 2006. Ambassador Sobel is the 53rd Chief of Mission to Brazil. He resigned as ambassador in August 2009[citation needed]. From 2001-05, Sobel was the 62nd United States Ambassador to the Netherlands. President George W. Bush nominated him on July 3, 2001 and he was sworn in by Secretary of State Colin Powell on November 8, 2001. On December 5, 2001, he presented his credentials to Her Majesty Queen Beatrix.[citation needed] Since 1994, Sobel has been Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of SJJ Investment Corp.[7] He is Managing Partner and founder of the investment firm Valor Capital Group in New York and Brazil.[8][9][10] Sobel is the Independent Director of Diamond Offshore Drilling, Inc.[11][12] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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