jpage520 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Nancy Grace is pissed off folks. Hope you're happy It would be so much more of an accomplishment for her to not be pissed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balki1867 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Nancy Grace is pissed off folks. Hope you're happy I can see why. They're basically giving away all her secret tricks. Now she's going to have to be twice as unethical to stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Who Does Steven Avery Of ‘Making A Murderer’ Think Killed Teresa Halbach? According to documents filed two years after his 2007 conviction, Avery believes that one or both of his brothers, Earl and Charles, may have killed Halbach and pinned the blame on him. Both have a history of sexual assault complaints and charges that, as TMZ notes, are quite “problematic.” Earl once pled no contest to sexually assaulting his 2 daughters. […] Charles’ criminal conduct and actions are even more problematic. He was charged with sexually assaulting his wife by holding her down and trying to strangle her with a phone cord before having intercourse with her. The docs say Charles also had a history of aggression toward women who visited the family’s junkyard. One woman, who was there to retrieve her car that had been towed, complained to cops she was afraid of Charles because he was aggressively pursuing her… sending flowers and money to her home, calling her incessantly and showing up at her doorstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFanRob Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 So just finished episode nine. There was a part near they end when brendan dassey is sentenced and it looks like sgt colburn is working as one of the court officers over seeing the procedings. Then a few minutes later it shows steven avery being escorted out of the courthouse by the same guy. Just seems like a conflict of interest and a final slap in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFanRob Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Looks like colburn to me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Finishing up the series now. He may or may not have did the act, but Steven Avery seems like a less than savory fellow to me. Lots of suspicion. Didn't see this article posted. http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php Among other things: There's no denying that it was unethical as hell for the investigator of Dassey's own attorney to elicit a confession out of Brendan, but the documentary suggests that the investigator peppered Brendan with leading questions and basically fed him the answers. From the full transcript, that is not the case at all. Brendan not only confessed, he gave a very detailed account of what happened. They had sex with Teresa on the bed, then they carried her out to the garage, where they cut her throat, and that's where Steven shot her five times with the .22 Brendan said he pulled from above his bed. Then they threw her in the fire. She begged for her life through the entire ordeal. Brendan even cut off some of her hair. Then they cleaned up with bleach and burned all the clothes in the bonfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Finishing up the series now. He may or may not have did the act, but Steven Avery seems like a less than savory fellow to me. Lots of suspicion. Didn't see this article posted. http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php Among other things: Also in that article is this: I certainly believe that there was a tremendous amount of police misconduct in this case. I believe the police helped the case against Avery along by planting evidence (and there's no doubt in my mind that they planted the RAV4 key in Avery's trailer). I also don't believe the prosecution's theory of events: There's no way Halbach was raped and had her throat slashed in the trailer without a speck of DNA evidence, and there's no way she was shot in the garage without any blood splatter evidence. After all, if Avery had somehow used bleach to erase all trace of Halbach's DNA, he would've also cleaned the garage of his own DNA (and the garage still contained lots of Avery's DNA). I've said it before, I think Avery may have known more than he is saying, but if involved, evidence was planted on his property. They never found enough evidence to prove that he was involved to convict him. Guy has very low intelligence, so did Dassey. With Dassey, they did get a confession, coerced or not. But as for Avery, if it happened where they are claiming it happened. There is no way possible that he could wipe all DNA evidence of the victim and not include wiping his own. It was all over the place (his DNA). Honestly, I'm thinking Dassey was involved in it somehow and Avery got pulled into it because of past history and making the local law enforcement look like idiots for locking up the wrong man for 18 years on the previous conviction. And the lawsuit that was filed by Avery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Finished it tonight. Not sure how I feel about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Articles on this story are springing up everywhere. But here's a couple more interesting ones, that give reason to believe In stephen. One, which contains the most compelling new evidence that he's innocent, if what his lawyer says is indeed factual. And another contains 8 plausible theories on who else may have done it and why. Steven Avery’s new lawyer says the ‘Making a Murderer’ subject has an ‘airtight alibi’ http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/steven-avery-new-lawyer-airtight-alibi-article-1.2557139 Zellner publicly shared via Twitter that her client’s cell phone records and those of Teresa Halbach, the woman Avery is serving a life sentence without parole for murdering, prove that the two were not near each other when she was killed. “Cellphone tower records of SA (Steven Avery) & TH (Teresa Halbach) provide airtight alibi for him. She left property he didn't,” Zellner tweeted. ‘Making a Murderer': 8 Alternate Theories on Who Killed Teresa Halbach https://www.yahoo.com/tv/making-murderer-8-alternate-theories-killed-teresa-halbach-191528058.html If they didn’t, who did? ...Here are eight alternate theories: Click links for the rest of stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 An unexpected but justified outcome. He had no business being convicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 CNN says prosecutors have 90 days to bring Dassey to trial again or he will be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 Also, the original "Making a Murderer" documentary filmmakers have been in the process of making a followup to the series. Maybe we'll get to see more details about this latest development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I'm happy for Dassey. Physical evidence wasn't there to pin him to the murder and the confession was useless considering the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Evidence wasn't there for either conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Im not sure i like living in a society where people have such strong beliefs after watching a TV show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 17 hours ago, zoony said: Im not sure i like living in a society where people have such strong beliefs after watching a TV show. I take it you've seen evidence that counters what the "tv show" provided? IMO, it doesn't matter how biased the filmmakers are, the recorded interrogation of Dassey speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 23 hours ago, zoony said: Im not sure i like living in a society where people have such strong beliefs after watching a TV show. I know what you mean. Next thing you know we'll be nominating some know-nothing reality TV star for President....just kidding - that could never happen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 7 hours ago, Gamebreaker said: I take it you've seen evidence that counters what the "tv show" provided? IMO, it doesn't matter how biased the filmmakers are, the recorded interrogation of Dassey speaks for itself. It seems a federal judge agreed. Still think the evidence against Avery is too strong and the conspiracy angle too far fetched for me to buy into it. But my takeaway from the series when I watched was primarily that Dassey had no business being convicted, so I'm glad that part has been rectified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said: It seems a federal judge agreed. Still think the evidence against Avery is too strong and the conspiracy angle too far fetched for me to buy into it. But my takeaway from the series when I watched was primarily that Dassey had no business being convicted, so I'm glad that part has been rectified. I don't think Avery did it, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he did, if that makes sense. However, I never thought for a second that Branden was involved. It was so clear he was just saying what the detectives wanted him to say and he had no idea of the consequences. He was more worried about getting back to class and then getting out of jail to watch WrestleMania. He had no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 8 hours ago, Gamebreaker said: I take it you've seen evidence that counters what the "tv show" provided? IMO, it doesn't matter how biased the filmmakers are, the recorded interrogation of Dassey speaks for itself. Im waiting for the other documentary from the prosecutors POV. I will then compare the ratings and determine guilt at that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I don't want to get into it again, but if I recall correctly, there were several things conveniently omitted from the documentary that would lead the viewer to believe that Avery did actually commit the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 39 minutes ago, Springfield said: I don't want to get into it again, but if I recall correctly, there were several things conveniently omitted from the documentary that would lead the viewer to believe that Avery did actually commit the crime. And that's fine, I'd like to see those facts and compare. My point was solely about Dassey, his conviction was ridiculous and makes me concerned about children with low IQs being taken advantage of by our justice system. I have a 5 yr old who is Down Syndrome, I can imagine a scenario where if he was Dassey's age, simply in the vicinity of a crime and was put under that kind of interrogation he would just say whatever the detective wanted him to say. With little understanding of how the nice man with the badge isn't trying to be your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
757SeanTaylor21 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Here's the thing...if Dassey got released because he had nothing to do with it...and the confession he gave was used in court against Avery as those were the "details" then there should be a retrial. I watched the series and I came away with the notion that Avery is innocent. Yeah he may hAve had a couple incidents with the law with the biggest one being he ran his cousin off the road and had her at gun point cause she lied on him...but come on man after his first lock up in which he was innocent...just simply why would he go do something like that to throw him back in jail? He wasn't that bright as an individual (less so dasseey to possibly think he could get away with it and attempt it. It doesn't add up WHAT so ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 8 hours ago, Springfield said: I don't want to get into it again, but if I recall correctly, there were several things conveniently omitted from the documentary that would lead the viewer to believe that Avery did actually commit the crime. Admittedly I haven't seen this show. I did see a documentary on the Teresa Halbach murder I think on A & E. They interviewed a guy (I want to say he was the prosecutor) and he talked about the documentary. He stated that Making of a Murderer actually omitted key evidence that actually convicted Avery and that most of the people who watched it, actually think he didn't do it. That is my take on it too. I actually think MORE people think he's innocent then guilty, based on the Making of a Murderer. I think that's what you are saying, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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