Moving Towards our Future Front Office and Coaching Hires. All the Way to the Water Boy - Adam Peters Hired as GM! The Mighty Quinn is HC Kliff Kingsbury as OC. Joe Whitt jr at DC.

[CommanderInTheRye]

Robert Kraft is one sneaky vindictive cat. He secretly campaigned against Belichick to convince the Falcons owner to hire someone else...

 

 

 

 

 

In a roundabout way we may have Robert Kraft to thank for our hiring of Dan Quinn.

 

If Atlanta had hired Belichick we would have chosen between Morris and Quinn. I'm now elated with who we got, but at the time I would have probably preferred Morris.

[FrFan]

6 hours ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

Robert Kraft is one sneaky vindictive cat. He secretly campaigned against Belichick to convince the Falcons owner to hire someone else...

 

Maybe he should go back to Florida for another rub and tug ?

[CommanderInTheRye]

 

 

The plot thickens is such a played out cliche. It was old when I was a kid and I'm old enough to remember when Shakespeare was still writing plays with his buddy Marlowe who was the real genious, but that's another story.

 

Anyways, this nefarious plot now involves our own Josh Harris overruling Magic Johnson on hiring Belichick after being advised by Robert Kraft to forego any interst in his former head honcho.

 

A spicy brew indeed!

 

Something is definitely thickening...

 

 

Report reveals Commanders' power struggle before Bill Belichick snub

 

There was a difference of opinion between two big personalities...

By Dean Jones | Apr 17, 2024

 

 

 

Bill Belichick / David Butler II-USA TODAY Sports

 

The Washington Commanders are moving forward with Dan Quinn and Adam Peters as their head coach/general manager combination - the first under Josh Harris' ownership group. They've made an outstanding start in their quest to get this once-proud franchise back on track, adopting a business-first model and bringing in players who fit the new way of thinking without jeopardizing future financial flexibility.

 

It wasn't always this cut and dry. Speculation was rampant about the Commanders going a little bolder by giving Bill Belichick absolute power. This was a contentious issue among the fanbase, who were burned by Ron Rivera's indifferent four years at the helm when he had the final say on personnel.

 

A fascinating feature from Jeremy Fowler, Seth Wickersham, and Don Van Natta Jr. from ESPN lifted the lid on the process that eventually led the Commanders to snub Belichick. Perhaps the most interesting revelation centered on Magic Johnson wanting to pull the trigger on the perennial Super Bowl winner before being overruled by Harris, who went with Quinn and a more traditional approach instead.

 

 

 

 

"Washington seemed to be another good fit, and multiple sources said Belichick was very interested. Commanders minority owner Magic Johnson lobbied hard for Belichick to be the team's new head coach, sources said. Belichick spoke to new Commanders GM Adam Peters, a former Patriots staffer, and said he respected the job Peters had done in personnel since he had left New England, helping the Broncos and 49ers reach a combined three Super Bowls.

 

"However, principal owner Josh Harris, who had spoken privately with [Robert] Kraft about Belichick, told confidants in early December that he respected Belichick but wasn't going to hire him. He wanted the same leadership structure he has with the Philadelphia 76ers and New Jersey Devils: a strong general manager over a head coach. Harris' hiring of the 44-year-old Peters as GM before he looked for a coach was a big tell that Belichick was not a fit, a decision that Johnson endorsed. A source close to Belichick said the coach had questions about working in a strong-GM system."

 

It's not hard to see why Johnson desired Belichick. He wants to win and win now. He's made no secret of that. Fortunately for the Commanders, Harris is experienced in running sports franchises and knows how big this rebuilding project is in pursuit of prolonged accomplishments down the line.

 

There was a degree of mutual interest and respect, but it didn't go any further. When the time came for the Commanders to put Rivera out of his misery, Belichick's name was nowhere to be found on their shortlist of options. Perhaps more surprisingly, every other team looked the other way despite his glittering credentials.

 

Every dog has his day. Belichick was stubborn and ran things with an iron fist in New England. Once the wheels started falling off after quarterback Tom Brady departed for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, owner Robert Kraft believed there was no option other than to part ways.

 

Any team that hired Belichick would instantly shrink their window of opportunity. He's 72 years old, there isn't a lot left in the tank. Harris recognized this too, going with a younger duo and a gradual process rather than Johnson's reported intent for a quick fix and putting all the team's chips into the middle immediately.

 

These latest tidbits are another sign that things are being done differently in Washington. Long may it continue.

 

https://riggosrag.com/posts/report-reveals-commanders-power-struggle-before-bill-belichick-snub

 

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Edited April 18 by CommanderInTheRye

[@DCGoldPants]

It's not a power struggle when the top boss makes the final call. Magic does a lot of great things in and around businesses, this reads as it was just one guy pushing BB and nobody else wanting to go that route.

 

If anything, their system worked here. 

[Conn]

Right. It’s not a “power struggle” when someone who owns like 4% of the team disagrees with the managing owner. It’s simply a guy giving his opinion and the owner going in another direction, which is normal. Magic plays a role but not in decision-making (other than having his voice heard)

[NickyJ]

When I was at Walmart the other day, I heard an exasperated mother having a power struggle with her 4 year old who wanted Cocoa Puffs. The kid said "I want it", mom said "no", kid said "okay".

[Ball Security]

7 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

When I was at Walmart the other day, I heard an exasperated mother having a power struggle with her 4 year old who wanted Cocoa Puffs. The kid said "I want it", mom said "no", kid said "okay".

Which kind of surprised me because for weeks Mike Florio has been talking about the kid acquiring the Cocoa Puffs as if it was a done deal.

[RVAskins]

Hiring BB would have been a previous owner move. I'm glad we now have adults in charge. What strikes me as being odd is the talk the Magic wanted BB for a win now hire. BB hasn't won anything since Brady left the Patriots. How would he bring a win now change to Washington?

[88Comrade2000]

Magic can give his opinion as one of the owners on any potential moves the organization makes but Josh is the only owner who makes the decisions and the people Josh hired to make decisions like Adam.  Just press B.S.  Making a story out of nothing. 

[skinny21]

3 hours ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

The plot thickens is such a played out cliche. It was old when I was a kid and I'm old enough to remember when Shakespeare was still writing plays with his buddy Marlowe who was the real genious, but that's another story.

 

Anyways, this nefarious plot now involves our own Josh Harris overruling Magic Johnson on hiring Belichick after being advised by Robert Kraft to forego any interst in his former head honcho.

 

A spicy brew indeed!

 

Something is definitely thickening...

 

 

Report reveals Commanders' power struggle before Bill Belichick snub

 

There was a difference of opinion between two big personalities...

By Dean Jones | Apr 17, 2024

 

 

 

Bill Belichick / David Butler II-USA TODAY Sports

 

The Washington Commanders are moving forward with Dan Quinn and Adam Peters as their head coach/general manager combination - the first under Josh Harris' ownership group. They've made an outstanding start in their quest to get this once-proud franchise back on track, adopting a business-first model and bringing in players who fit the new way of thinking without jeopardizing future financial flexibility.

 

It wasn't always this cut and dry. Speculation was rampant about the Commanders going a little bolder by giving Bill Belichick absolute power. This was a contentious issue among the fanbase, who were burned by Ron Rivera's indifferent four years at the helm when he had the final say on personnel.

 

A fascinating feature from Jeremy Fowler, Seth Wickersham, and Don Van Natta Jr. from ESPN lifted the lid on the process that eventually led the Commanders to snub Belichick. Perhaps the most interesting revelation centered on Magic Johnson wanting to pull the trigger on the perennial Super Bowl winner before being overruled by Harris, who went with Quinn and a more traditional approach instead.

 

 

 

 

"Washington seemed to be another good fit, and multiple sources said Belichick was very interested. Commanders minority owner Magic Johnson lobbied hard for Belichick to be the team's new head coach, sources said. Belichick spoke to new Commanders GM Adam Peters, a former Patriots staffer, and said he respected the job Peters had done in personnel since he had left New England, helping the Broncos and 49ers reach a combined three Super Bowls.

 

"However, principal owner Josh Harris, who had spoken privately with [Robert] Kraft about Belichick, told confidants in early December that he respected Belichick but wasn't going to hire him. He wanted the same leadership structure he has with the Philadelphia 76ers and New Jersey Devils: a strong general manager over a head coach. Harris' hiring of the 44-year-old Peters as GM before he looked for a coach was a big tell that Belichick was not a fit, a decision that Johnson endorsed. A source close to Belichick said the coach had questions about working in a strong-GM system."

 

It's not hard to see why Johnson desired Belichick. He wants to win and win now. He's made no secret of that. Fortunately for the Commanders, Harris is experienced in running sports franchises and knows how big this rebuilding project is in pursuit of prolonged accomplishments down the line.

 

There was a degree of mutual interest and respect, but it didn't go any further. When the time came for the Commanders to put Rivera out of his misery, Belichick's name was nowhere to be found on their shortlist of options. Perhaps more surprisingly, every other team looked the other way despite his glittering credentials.

 

Every dog has his day. Belichick was stubborn and ran things with an iron fist in New England. Once the wheels started falling off after quarterback Tom Brady departed for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, owner Robert Kraft believed there was no option other than to part ways.

 

Any team that hired Belichick would instantly shrink their window of opportunity. He's 72 years old, there isn't a lot left in the tank. Harris recognized this too, going with a younger duo and a gradual process rather than Johnson's reported intent for a quick fix and putting all the team's chips into the middle immediately.

 

These latest tidbits are another sign that things are being done differently in Washington. Long may it continue.

 

https://riggosrag.com/posts/report-reveals-commanders-power-struggle-before-bill-belichick-snub

 

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I’m sure you know all about this having lived through it, but I just learned the other day that Shakespeare’s The Tempest was about a resupply ship to Jamestown.

 

Also… I too had a power struggle recently.  One of my kids asked for a second helping of dessert.  I said “No, you had plenty”, and they said “ok”.  It was wild.

[sinews]

Maybe it's a small thing but I love how GMAP makes sure to single out and thank so many of the people behind the scenes, the staff and everyone else. It's important to make sure everyone feels seen and is appreciated if you want to cultivate a strong organization and have workers who *want* to be the best they can for this franchise. 

 

It shows foresight and emotional and organizational intelligence. The new FO continues to show how diligent and attuned to detail they are. 

 

And good to hear from Lance Newmark! 

[CRobi21]

 

All we ever wanted...

[@DCGoldPants]

What stood out to me is the tempo and pace both GMAP and AGMLN speak. Their words are deliberate. They are thinking while they speak and not just saying things. It's a 180 from Ron who was talking probably too fast for his brain, so he would stick his foot in his mouth or have to put in a lot of fillers like "I really believe that". 

 

These pressers are about talking without giving anything away. I don't think anyone came away thinking they know more than they did this morning. 

 

 

[NoVaSkins21]

Harris already showing that he's leaps and bounds better than previous ownership by staying away from BB.  What a disaster that would've been

[NickyJ]

1 hour ago, CRobi21 said:

 

All we ever wanted...

For everyone of those interviews, I'm still waiting for someone to give an interview like this:

 

"He's the worst. He isn't supportive, he goes against everything I want, and that's only when he picks up the phone. Most of the time he doesn't even do that. I'm going to draft the biggest bust in NFL history to stick it this dude, I regret even talking to him when he made the job offer."

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

6 hours ago, NickyJ said:

When I was at Walmart the other day, I heard an exasperated mother having a power struggle with her 4 year old who wanted Cocoa Puffs. The kid said "I want it", mom said "no", kid said "okay".

I don’t know who that kid is, but they’re definitely not a student at the school where I teach.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

29 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

"He's the worst. He isn't supportive, he goes against everything I want, and that's only when he picks up the phone. Most of the time he doesn't even do that. I'm going to draft the biggest bust in NFL history to stick it this dude, I regret even talking to him when he made the job offer."

Plenty of coaches gave that interview about Snyder, but only after they were off the payroll.

[Birdlives]

All this Belichik stuff aside, this is now the second time this organization has been under scrutiny for their methods. Kinda weird.

[@DCGoldPants]

21 minutes ago, Birdlives said:

All this Belichik stuff aside, this is now the second time this organization has been under scrutiny for their methods. Kinda weird.

 

Meh. These are outlets that are used to having real things to dig into. Florio and these daytime "Volume vs. Facts" sports shows need something to talk about with thr nfl and a week before the draft. Between these shows and the presser with GMAP today, felt like they were talking about two different leagues. 

 

 

[CapsSkins]

2 hours ago, NickyJ said:

For everyone of those interviews, I'm still waiting for someone to give an interview like this:

 

"He's the worst. He isn't supportive, he goes against everything I want, and that's only when he picks up the phone. Most of the time he doesn't even do that. I'm going to draft the biggest bust in NFL history to stick it this dude, I regret even talking to him when he made the job offer."

 

I did chuckle at Lance Newmark every time he talked about his boss Peters.

 

"He works so hard! He's so prepared! He's so collaborative! I never did that Top Golf thing before but it worked so great, so visionary!"

 

Uh huh.... lol

 

Edited April 18 by CapsSkins

[Warhead36]

Kraft confirms a theory I've had in my head for quite some time: the majority of owners are not much worse than Snyder. In other words, they're mostly aholes with varying degrees of competence.

 

If Kraft doesn't luck into Bellicheck/Brady, he's probably not much better than Snyder. 

[SkinsFTW]

45 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

If Kraft doesn't luck into Bellicheck/Brady, he's probably not much better than Snyder. 

 

Same goes for Jerry Jones. Snyder was basically a JJ mini-me without Jimmy Johnson.

 

I used say that the HOF was a joke because Monk wasn't in but inferiors got in first. Jerry getting in at all while Jimmy Johnson had to wait was even worse.

 

7 hours ago, NoVaSkins21 said:

Harris already showing that he's leaps and bounds better than previous ownership by staying away from BB.  What a disaster that would've been

 

It seemed pretty obvious that Belichick would have a hard time getting hired. Dude is 72. Who other than Jerry Jones would blow up their plans for 2-3 years of this guy who couldn't win without Brady?

 

 

[Going Commando]

18 hours ago, @DCGoldPants said:

What stood out to me is the tempo and pace both GMAP and AGMLN speak.

GMAP is bad enough.  Just say Newmark.

[Skinsinparadise]

11 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Kraft confirms a theory I've had in my head for quite some time: the majority of owners are not much worse than Snyder. In other words, they're mostly aholes with varying degrees of competence.

 

If Kraft doesn't luck into Bellicheck/Brady, he's probably not much better than Snyder. 

 

Almost impossible to be bad as Dan Snyder.

 

Snyder was bad in EVERY possible way.    Some of the other owners have one or two of Dan's bad traits.  But Dan was a walking greatest hits of bad traits.   Bad person.  Bad evaulator.  Bad for culture.  He was a total douche and a total mororn -- not many match his depravity and incompetence.

Edited April 19 by Skinsinparadise

[Warhead36]

11 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Almost impossible to be bad as Dan Snyder.

 

Snyder was bad in EVERY possible way.    Some of the other owners have one or two of Dan's bad traits.  But Dan was a walking greatest hits of bad traits.   Bad person.  Bad evaulator.  Bad for culture.  He was a total douche and a total mororn -- not many match his depravity and incompetence.

Oh yeah. Snyder was on a tier of his own, no doubt about that.

 

But it was crazy to me looking at the report cards. So many teams gave their ownership awful grades. The Chiefs got an F-. THE CHIEFS. The difference is, Clark Hunt was smart enough to hire smart people in Andy Reid and Brett Veach and stayed out of the way. He at the very least doesn't appear to have an ego. But he's also a cheap arse and the Chiefs weren't exactly a bastion of success before hitting on those two guys.

 

Giants ownership sucks. Jerruh ain't great. Kraft it turns out is an egomaniac(who also likes getting his junk tugged). We know about Tepper in Carolina.

 

Truth is, most owners suck. You just hope they're lucky enough to hire smart people and smart enough/don't have ego and stay out of their way.

 

In a couple years time with the HOG we will end up having the best in the league.