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zCommander

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12 hours ago, KDawg said:

Watching Dallas’ defensive line makes me feel afraid and concerned for the safety of our quarterback and running backs. 

 

The first time we play them is at the end of November. Plenty of time for EB to clear things up and Howell to not hold on to the football longer than it needs to be. Quick throws on a aggressive D will keep them in check along with a better run game than what we saw yesterday. 

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justice98

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48 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

40-0 was clearly a great showing from Dallas.  The Giants >> Cardinals.  So Dallas getting love makes sense to me.    I think Dallas showed plenty of muscle.  Heck watching Parson wreak havoc on that O line among others.  Can you imagine this O line who can't handle the Cards D line who have no name guys on their unit -- deal with Lawrence and Parsons and company?

 

But overall I hear you.  The team came into the game with no love from the national pundits.  Actually the Cards got no love either.  This game was ignored by the national pregames I watched.

 

I'd say though the game played out sort of like what some national talking heads-draft geeks expected.  Two bad teams played each other, the lesser of the bad teams won.  I can see it looking that way to them.

 

I am personally not on the national train that this team sucks.  I think its a so so team.  Yesterday's version of the team IMO looked closer to the idea that this team sucks than it being so so.  But its just one game.

 

I personally don't buy that the Cardinals are better than what most people think.  I think it was just one of those any given Sundays where a team played over their skis.  And I don't discount the idea that they thought they can beat this team and were inspired.  I'd be surprised at the end of the season people will be saying, hey those Cards aren't that bad.  But who knows, wiill see.

 

 

 

I think people are trying to make themselves feel better and put a positive spin on it by saying they Cards are better than we think.  No they're not.  Undisciplined team that commits a ton of penalties, their offense was putrid, and our offense suffered from what we all suspected they would suffer from.  Inexperienced QB and a bad OL.  So their defense really probably isn't any good either.

 

They're out here trying to tank for Caleb Williams and folks are acting like they're supposed to scare people.  

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Koolblue13

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Why the **** do they still have two sticks and a chain with a couple old guys trying to figure out where the ball goes?

 

Grow the hell up. 

 

That dumb antique bull**** cost us a drive. 

 

The only reason that I can think of in favor of having all the refs, is controlling the outcome of the games. 

 

I don't buy into the conspiracy stuff, but some teams definitely get favorable calls over other teams and that's trash.

9 minutes ago, zCommander said:

 

The first time we play them is at the end of November. Plenty of time for EB to clear things up and Howell to not hold on to the football longer than it needs to be. Quick throws on a aggressive D will keep them in check along with a better run game than what we saw yesterday. 

Well we play the Eagles twice before then and they have a better defense.

 

This "EB will scheme it up" nonsense sounds like spray painting over the rust spots on your truck and calling it fixed.

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KDawg

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14 minutes ago, zCommander said:

 

The first time we play them is at the end of November. Plenty of time for EB to clear things up and Howell to not hold on to the football longer than it needs to be. Quick throws on a aggressive D will keep them in check along with a better run game than what we saw yesterday. 


The OL better get a talent infusion.

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12 hours ago, method man said:

 

With no outside additions, the best OL combo is Leno/Wylie/Gates/Cosmi/Lucas. You will at least have much better pass pro to work with and there aren't questions with Wylie when it comes to playing LG. The no brainer ultimate selljob thing they should be doing is trying to lure Jason Peters here. He does want to play this year. They could restructure Leno, Thomas and a couple other guys to make it happen.

 

For those who think we have no shot, Juan Castillo has a relationship with him from their days together in Philly and helped to lure him to Chicago while he was OL coach there.

Agreed with the line suggestion, Wylie isn't bad and definitely better than what Charles showed.

Peters is one of the only suggestions that's holds water. I would hope they have been souring the rosters and PS's for a T they can sign or trade for but my gut is they still think what we have is fine...ugh. 

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BatteredFanSyndrome

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27 minutes ago, justice98 said:

 

I think people are trying to make themsrlves ferl better and put a positive spin on it by saying they Cards are better than we think.  No they're not.  Undisciplined team that commits a ton of penaltiesand their offense was putrid, and our offense suffered from what we all suspected they would suffer from.  Inexperienced QB and a bad OL.  

 

They're out here trying to tank for Caleb Williams and folks are acting like they're supposed to scare people.  

There’s a little bit of this, absolutely.  The Cards top brass clearly wants to tank but the coaches and team don’t want to get their ass kicked.

 

It’s week 1, and they were getting beat up for weeks with the “they’re tanking” stuff and came into FedEx more than a touchdown dog to a typically bottom dwelling team, starting a 5th rounder for the 2nd time.

 

There’s certainly motivation in that for the Cards.  Clearly their defense wanted to set the tone, that they weren’t going to roll over.  Our offense just gave them life with the turnovers.  Gibsons fumble in the RZ was the lifeline they needed.
 

 

 

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skinsfan4128

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What is baffling to me is how the coaching staff is so stubborn about trotting out the same OL and somehow thinking it's going to work. Charles was getting his ass handed to him repeatedly and Wylie looked as if he was moving in slow motion compared to his counterparts. 

 

How long can they expect Howell to survive back there with those two constantly being polite and escorting the defense back to him is beyond me. I'd look at some different combinations and hope to find the best serviceable line I could (and I'm not a coach).

 

Like some other posters suggested, Wylie at LG makes sense as he wouldn't be in space and put Lucas at RT. That would at least shore things up somewhat better than what they're sending out there now.

 

HTTR!

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27 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

This "EB will scheme it up" nonsense sounds like spray painting over the rust spots on your truck and calling it fixed.

 

Going to be a lot of confused Pikcahu looks by week 6 or 7 from the people who swore we were getting a championship level offense.

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BatteredFanSyndrome

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Just now, DJHJR86 said:

 

Going to be a lot of confused Pikcahu looks by week 6 or 7 from the people who swore we were getting a championship level offense.

Who thought we were getting a championship level offense?

 

We have easily a bottom 10 OL from a talent perspective.  There’s no scheming around that against top defensive lines, at least not with any regularity.

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Just now, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

There’s a little bit of this, absolutely.  The Cards top brass clearly wants to tank but the coaches and team don’t want to get their ass kicked.

 

It’s week 1, and they were getting beat up for weeks with the “they’re tanking” stuff and came into FedEx more than a touchdown dog to a typically bottom dwelling team, starting a 5th rounder for the 2nd time.

 

There’s certainly motivation in that for the Cards.  Clearly their defense wanted to set the tone, that they weren’t going to roll over.  
 

 

I think we also need to differentiate between a FO wanting to "tank" and players + coaches wanting to tank. A FO may have a bit of that desire, but no players or coaches (well, almost no coaches) would actually do that. Too much competitive fire and pride.

 

The Cards are not a good team, but they do have some talent on their roster. They just have a **** QB situation and are missing some other pieces. But their skill players are pretty good and they have some good talent on their D.

 

Not trying to sugar coat anything. Us not being able to do more against them is very concerning. But I think just how terrible they are and how they're all-in on tanking  is probably a smidge overblown.

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zCommander

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2 hours ago, KDawg said:

I’m guessing because we were expected to be an average-ish team and they were expected to be the worst team in football.

 

We performed to our expectation, they played much better than theirs. 

 

Exactly what they said as well.

 

Washington 20-16 over Arizona

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Do the Cardinals deserve a B? Maybe not, but when everyone expects you to be the worst team in the NFL and you open the season by nearly pulling off an upset, you get a B. The Cardinals offense was just as bad as everyone thought it would be, but their defense was actually impressive. Not only did the unit sack Sam Howell five times, but the Cards also got their only TD of the game from their defense after Cameron Thomas returned a Howell fumble two yards for a score. If Arizona's defense plays like this all season, the Cardinals might be able to eventually pull off an upset. 
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There are no style points in the NFL, which is good news for the Commanders, because they might have pulled off the ugliest win of Week 1. One of Washington's biggest concerns going into the season was the offensive line and that definitely appears to be a valid concern. The Commanders struggled to get into rhythm on offense and a big reason for that was because Sam Howell was sacked FIVE times. The error-prone Commanders also lost two fumbles to go along with a Howell interception, which is a big reason Arizona was able to stay in the game. The good news for the Commanders is that they were playing the Cardinals, so the fact that the

 

 

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Califan007 The Constipated

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My take (without having read anyone else's except for a few on this 2nd to last page lol):

 

- Stop confusing conventional wisdom for fact...Conventional wisdom said the Cardinals were an absolute dumpster fire of a team that 11 guys pulled out of the stands could beat in a route. "We all agreed they sucked!" is a piss-poor foundation to build any conclusion on.

 

- OLine sucks. We knew that. Or should have known that.

 

- Howell isn't anywhere close to a finished product so mistakes gonna happen, some of them cringeworthy. We knew that. Or should have known that. The thing to look for is does he improve or remain stagnant.

 

- We don't know **** about how this team will end up performing this season after one game. We knew that, too. Or should have known that. I've lost count of how many times fans have proclaimed the Cowboys/Giants/Eagles to be the real deal after week 1, or conversely proclaimed that every single coach needed to be fired and every single player cut after week 1. And we all know this, too lol...but we're fans so it's kinda part of the job requirements.

 

- I like winning.

 

-I noticed nobody is moaning yet about how we should be pissed we beat the lowly Cardinals instead of tanking for Williams or Weeping for Williams or Calling It Quits for Caleb or whatever the slogan is lol...might be nice if that type of talk doesn't rear it's irritating head until at least Thanksgiving.

 

- I have no idea what to make of EB's offense, I just know that having a new OC and a young, highly inexperienced QB running it for the first time behind a laughable OLinie will probably mean we don't see that offense's full potential right out of the gate. That's a safe bet.

 

- As you can tell, I'm not reaching any conclusions about anything lol (except the OLine sucks as much as we feared). Oh, well I will reach the conclusion that Howell proved he belongs in the NFL, preferably as a QB 😂...He played the way I expected. Hell, half of us were taking the stance that the defense would be good enough to help him get acclimated to the NFL and would help rectify his mistakes caused by inexperience while he continues to develop. That's what happened. But the dude looked composed and made several "Holy ****!!" plays. He'll make more as time goes on.

 

- Daniel Jones sucks eggs (I'm saying that for another week, anyway lol)

 

- Love when the Cowboys get full of themselves...that's one franchise that cannot handle good fortune hardly at all without it causing them to fall back down to earth in enjoyably humorous fashion lol...and I hate sounding like Stephen A. but you know it's gonna happen.

 

- I have no idea what to think of the Eagles (or the Giants, for that matter). Oh well.

 

- I think this might be the year we can finally stop laughing at the Browns lol 😎

 

 

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BatteredFanSyndrome

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8 minutes ago, mistertim said:

That hit on Howell should have been an immediate ejection, a fine, and a possible suspension. That wasn't incidental in any way. He knew Howell was out of bounds already, he launched himself, and he specifically launched himself head first at Howell's helmet. 

I lost my mind when this happened, going directly to “clear the benches and brawl”.

 

Jon Allen though said today he didn’t necessarily think it was dirty, they were disrespected all week and determined to set the tone, thus walking that line close to dirty play.  Basically that he didn’t think he meant harm with it but it was close.

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Week 1 is always a wacky week. Bad teams look good, good teams look bad. It is what it is. I'll take a win.

 

1. New offensive scheme that they don't use much of in pre-season games, so this was our first real live action under EB's offense. The o-line will get better... but not a lot better.

 

2. Sam Howell is a work in progress but he did have the best stats of all the NFCE QBs. (Thus the week 1 wackiness.)

 

3. Antonio Gibson. Good guy, good athlete, GOOD BYE. 

 

 

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Thinking Skins

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12 hours ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

What was with all the "Saahdiq Charles has turned a corner and figured things out" in the past month? Sure looked like same old same old.

 

Chris Paul can't be that bad...right?

No deep shots, but seems fairly spread out with depth of target between 0-20 yards.

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From what I heard on Twitter, Arizona was in a cover 3 shell that made it hard to go deep. 

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