Game Day Thread - Preseason: The Commanders @ The Browns - B&G Football is Back - A New Hope!!!

[Voice_of_Reason]

5 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

I can't imagine we are planning to run a 3-4 very often.

 

Maybe they wanted tape of how to handle our limited LBs and that was the easiest way to get it?

They’re going to most likely go 4-1-6 or 5-1-6 

 

they’re not going to make their DEs into LBs.

 

I think it was Jack’s version of Gibbs running an entirely different offense in preseason.

[Conn]

Infuriating that instead of Quan, Stromberg, Daniels we could very likely have Mauch, Dawand Jones, Stromberg if we wanted. 
 

Imagine how optimistic we’d be feeling right now. 

Edited August 12, 2023 by Conn

[KDawg]

1 minute ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

They’re going to most likely go 4-1-6 or 5-1-6 

 

they’re not going to make their DEs into LBs.

 

I think it was Jack’s version of Gibbs running an entirely different offense in preseason.

No. You WANT it to be. 
 

We weren’t exclusively in it, either. My bet is it’s something we see.

 

Going anything x-1-x may work out… but man is that scary. They get past the DL and they are running for large chunks at a time. 

[Koolblue13]

13 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Please, spell it correctly. Whylie.

 

because… why?

 

Why Lie? Because he's terrible.

[mhd24]

4 minutes ago, Conn said:

Infuriating that instead of Quan, Stromberg, Daniels we could very likely have Mauch, Dawand Jones, Stromberg if we wanted. 
 

Imagine how optimistic we’d be feeling right now. 

 

I don't fault him at all for not picking Dawaand.  There's a reason he fell to that far in the draft.  Dude just quit the senior bowl after one day.  Then he had REALLY POOR interviews at the combine.  He was absolutely awful according to every draft insider at the Ohio State pro day.  After that, he up and cancels our pre-draft meeting with us despite our glaring OL needs.  Sometimes, you can't pick a player no matter how talented he may be.

 

You don't know if Stomberg lasts to our 4th round pick.  I'm perfectly fine with the pick as red-shirting him this year even if we picked him with that comp 3rd round pick.  We did the same thing with Chase Rouiller as a mid-round pick and he turned out to be a stud C for us before the unfortunate back-to-back season ending injuries that caused him to retire.

 

You can argue Mauch vs Quan, but if Chris Paul turns out to be a good guard, then it's moot.  There is nothing wrong with continuing to replenish the secondary with athletes.  The NFL is moving more to 1 LB defenses.  You need high quality DBs.  

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

I saw an article that said Mauch struggled last night in his first game. I guess he sucks as well. 😆

Edited August 12, 2023 by AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy

[KDawg]

17 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

 

I don't fault him at all for not picking Dawaand.  There's a reason he fell to that far in the draft.  Dude just quit the senior bowl after one day.  Then he had REALLY POOR interviews at the combine.  He was absolutely awful according to every draft insider at the Ohio State pro day.  After that, he up and cancels our pre-draft meeting with us despite our glaring OL needs.  Sometimes, you can't pick a player no matter how talented he may be.

 

You don't know if Stomberg lasts to our 4th round pick.  I'm perfectly fine with the pick as red-shirting him this year even if we picked him with that comp 3rd round pick.  We did the same thing with Chase Rouiller as a mid-round pick and he turned out to be a stud C for us before the unfortunate back-to-back season ending injuries that caused him to retire.

 

You can argue Mauch vs Quan, but if Chris Paul turns out to be a good guard, then it's moot.  There is nothing wrong with continuing to replenish the secondary with athletes.  The NFL is moving more to 1 LB defenses.  You need high quality DBs.  

Actually, if Paul pans out it’s not moot. 

1. Mauch is legit positional flexible. He can play all 5 line positions.

 

2. If Mauch could play guard then Cosmi could stay at RT. 

[mhd24]

Just now, KDawg said:

Actually, if Paul pans out it’s not moot. 

1. Mauch is legit positional flexible. He can play all 5 line positions.

 

2. If Mauch could play guard then Cosmi could stay at RT. 

 

I don't think Cosmi was ever a good RT.  He struggled too much IMO there.  He's probably a better guard who can play RT in a pinch.  Mauch is certainly a defensible pick.  It would have made sense.  Spend a year as a backup while learning the nuances in a major jump in competition for him.  They may just have loved Quan as a prospect.  I think Keim said they loved Avila, but he got picked by the Rams in the early 2nd.  My guy was Bergeron, but he was gone by the Falcons.  

 

I think their plan going into draft day was hoping Darnell Wright fell to them at 16.  If that happened, than the OL becomes:

RT:  Wright

RG:  Cosmi

C.  Gates

LG:  Wylie

LT:  Leno

 

Much better scenario for the OL.  I don't think they ever liked Broderick Jones.  Forbes was obviously their #2 CB (Keim said they liked Witherspoon a ton).  

[redskinss]

57 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

or 5-1-6

I like this one a lot if we can get away with it. 

[KDawg]

43 minutes ago, redskinss said:

I like this one a lot if we can get away with it. 

 

Same. If the Argos can run it, why can't we?

[ExoDus84]

2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Cosmi is a stud at guard. Straight stud. Leno is a solid starter, nothing special. Paul is our LG and I feel really good about it. 

 

Gates was meh, but serviceable. Still not convinced he's better than Larson.

 

Wylie could be replaced with a very heavy trash can and it probably wouldn't have cost us 2 points.

 

Meh.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by ExoDus84

[zCommander]

5 hours ago, BleedBNG said:

 

https://nfl-video.com/

 

Here is another direct link with the Browns home team announcers. 

https://fishkernfl.com/72-2/

[NoVaSkins21]

Both the OL and DL were dominated yesterday.  I'm more confident in the OL getting it together.  The DL should've been better given that they've been together longer.  That said, it provide both sides with film they can use to improve upon

[TheShredder]

Funny how everybody just wants 'starters to stay healthy' in the preseason...then after the game it's 'Mob Rules' hysterics on how bad this guy sucked.

If any of those top 6 OL'men go down in that game, then get hysterical. Valid...but they didn't.

Leno, any LG, Gates, Cosmi, or Witch Wiliey aren't getting cut. Just have to imagine coaches would continue to preach the safety first mantra as vets and starters work to get into football shape.

Remember Jamar Chase in his rookie preseason? Guy is pulling up, dropping balls, etc. Media and fans roast him preseason, then he torches the league lighting up the stat sheet. They aren't playing that hard.

I think the OL sucks again, but I'll wait to try and validate it after an unfair small sample in the real games.

 

[NYSkins21]

1 hour ago, mhd24 said:

 

I don't fault him at all for not picking Dawaand.  There's a reason he fell to that far in the draft.  Dude just quit the senior bowl after one day.  Then he had REALLY POOR interviews at the combine.  He was absolutely awful according to every draft insider at the Ohio State pro day.  After that, he up and cancels our pre-draft meeting with us despite our glaring OL needs.  Sometimes, you can't pick a player no matter how talented he may be.

 

You don't know if Stomberg lasts to our 4th round pick.  I'm perfectly fine with the pick as red-shirting him this year even if we picked him with that comp 3rd round pick.  We did the same thing with Chase Rouiller as a mid-round pick and he turned out to be a stud C for us before the unfortunate back-to-back season ending injuries that caused him to retire.

 

You can argue Mauch vs Quan, but if Chris Paul turns out to be a good guard, then it's moot.  There is nothing wrong with continuing to replenish the secondary with athletes.  The NFL is moving more to 1 LB defenses.  You need high quality DBs.  

Well said! Not to mention… Why is anyone anointing Mauch or Dawand for that matter, pro bowlers? Give it time.

[KDawg]

12 minutes ago, TheShredder said:

Funny how everybody just wants 'starters to stay healthy' in the preseason...then after the game it's 'Mob Rules' hysterics on how bad this guy sucked.

If any of those top 6 OL'men go down in that game, then get hysterical. Valid...but they didn't.

Leno, any LG, Gates, Cosmi, or Witch Wiliey aren't getting cut. Just have to imagine coaches would continue to preach the safety first mantra as vets and starters work to get into football shape.

Remember Jamar Chase in his rookie preseason? Guy is pulling up, dropping balls, etc. Media and fans roast him preseason, then he torches the league lighting up the stat sheet. They aren't playing that hard.

I think the OL sucks again, but I'll wait to try and validate it after an unfair small sample in the real games.

 

I think most people are just commenting on what we saw. I don’t think it’s some hard lock on what we are and aren’t. There is always ebb and flow and that should be expected in this conversation. 
 

Aside from the fact that I never want anyone to get injured, though, that’s not all I want out of this team during preseason. I want them to work to cohesion and improvement within a new offensive system. I want them to get meaningful, but strategic and measured reps together to form chemistry.

 

I am not convinced that losing “any of the top 6 OL” would be that big of an issue. 
 

Losing any of the top two sure would, though. And it’s good they came out healthy.

[Yng Lady88]

18 hours ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

 

My man REALLY trying to keep his job. Good move, Ron. Good move.

[Riggo-toni]

2 hours ago, Conn said:

Infuriating that instead of Quan, Stromberg, Daniels we could very likely have Mauch, Dawand Jones, Stromberg if we wanted. 
 

Imagine how optimistic we’d be feeling right now. 

Imagine if we had drafted Darrisaw and JOK instead of J Davis and Cosmi...or Herbert instead of Young.

If we had been a competent organization we would have picked Tristan Wirfs instead of Dwayne "he went to my son's high school" Haskins.

Imagine Wirfs and Darrisaw as OTs protecting Justin Herbert. Just imagine...

[Going Commando]

3 hours ago, MartinC said:

 

Allen needs to make this team as the return specialist. 

Yeah I am rooting for him over Milne and Kemp personally.  I really like that special gear he can get up to when he reverses field and starts running away from the coverage.

 

I wish we had roster room for a seventh receiver, but I just don't see how to swing that.  We need to carry four tight ends for this offense, especially since we have bad injury luck at the position.

[MartinC]

Breakdown of some of Sam’s snaps - positive stuff overall.

 
 

[@DCGoldPants]

Practice/Scrimmage with Baltimore this upcoming week might be more useful than the preseason game against them. Situational repetition vs. A game that isn't really a game with who knows who's playing. 

[RVAskins]

3 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

 

Why Lie? Because he's terrible.

I haven't seen a dumpster fire like that since our previous owner.

 

[Going Commando]

3 hours ago, Conn said:

Infuriating that instead of Quan, Stromberg, Daniels we could very likely have Mauch, Dawand Jones, Stromberg if we wanted. 
 

Imagine how optimistic we’d be feeling right now. 

 

I think we should have drafted Dawand Jones, and I'm staking my claim as his biggest and most consistent fan on this forum.  I was one of the guys who defended him after almost everyone else started backing off him after Bob McGinn published all of that borderline slander about him.  But I'm not sweating the decision to pass over him.  He canceled his top 30 visit with us, which is just not a good way to start his potential career off here.  Best case scenario, he'd have been getting the side-eye here from day one.  Staying in Ohio, being brought along slowly as a back up behind a bunch of really good, really veteran players is probably going to end up being a much better situation for him.  Regardless, I'm not convinced he would have helped our OL this year.  I am also not giving up on Stromberg or Daniels just because they need a redshirt season. 

 

I know you wish the line had better pedigree, but I don't think pedigree is nearly as important as getting good draft value, regardless of position.  That garbage ass Vikings OL has an awesome pedigree.  So does the Saints line and they were bad last year too.  More important to get the right guys regardless of draft round.  IMO this OL draft class sucked and I think the best IOL from the class is going to end up being fifth rounder Olu Oluwatimi.  That's who we should have picked, but it wouldn't have helped our pedigree.  No matter what, we're going to have a great opportunity to soup up the OL next offseason.  83 million in cap room, we can pay Chase and Montez their 20 million deals, and we can go out and get a dude for the line.  And if Sam Howell turns out like we're all hoping he will, then we can spend an early round draft pick on a big time OL athlete.

[mhd24]

1 hour ago, Riggo-toni said:

Imagine if we had drafted Darrisaw and JOK instead of J Davis and Cosmi...or Herbert instead of Young.

If we had been a competent organization we would have picked Tristan Wirfs instead of Dwayne "he went to my son's high school" Haskins.

Imagine Wirfs and Darrisaw as OTs protecting Justin Herbert. Just imagine...

 

How could they have drafted Wirfs instead of Dwayne went Wirfs came out the year after Haskins was drafted?  If you wanted an OL instead of Haskins, the best bet was Tytus Howard who went 8 picks later or Jawaan Taylor who went top of the 2nd round.  Those guys aren't world beaters though.  

[SkinsFTW]

2 hours ago, mhd24 said:

 

How could they have drafted Wirfs instead of Dwayne went Wirfs came out the year after Haskins was drafted?  If you wanted an OL instead of Haskins, the best bet was Tytus Howard who went 8 picks later or Jawaan Taylor who went top of the 2nd round.  Those guys aren't world beaters though.  

 

Imagine if they'd have punted in 19 and instead of Haskins traded that pick for somebody's first and more for the following year. They'd have been able to possibly get both Wirfs and Herbert! 

Genius!!!