The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[mojo]

42 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

I doubt the general playbook for Heinicke would change much, regardless of where he goes or who is coaching him. Due to his limitations you have to be able to run the ball well and play good defense. A new coach isn't going to suddenly magic away those build-in limitations. Coaches have all watched his film and they'll all know this by now. That's why there's almost zero chance he'll be brought in by another team as a starter. He's a backup, wherever he goes.

 

And Jones is still a completely mediocre QB. He's not some crazy different player now. He runs more and they give him easier passes to make.

 

 

Heinicke is not Yoda, he's Kit Fisto.

Sure he has limitations, but he can be serviceable. Utilize his running ability and stop calling 7 step drops behind our piss poor offensive line would be a start

[mistertim]

2 minutes ago, mojo said:

Sure he has limitations, but he can be serviceable. Utilize his running ability and stop calling 7 step drops behind our piss poor offensive line would be a start

 

He's shown that he can be serviceable when all other aspects of a team are top notch and he has guys who can make plenty of circus catches. That's not going to be the case most of the time.

 

As far as running, Heinicke doesn't utilize his own running ability. The coaches lamented publicly last season that he wasn't using his legs much, and there have been tons of RPOs we've seen this season where the easy and clear correct option was to run and he handed it off anyway.

 

For whatever reason he currently seems super hesitant to use his legs, which was basically his biggest asset and which he now self-negates.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

[mistertim]

24 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

He just wins.

[mojo]

2 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

He's shown that he can be serviceable when all other aspects of a team are top notch and he has guys who can make plenty of circus catches. That's not going to be the case most of the time.

 

As far as running, Heinicke doesn't utilize his own running ability. The coaches lamented publicly last season that he wasn't using his legs much, and there have been tons of RPOs we've seen this season where the easy and clear correct option was to run and he handed it off anyway.

 

For whatever reason he currently seems super hesitant to use his legs, which was basically his biggest asset and which he now self-negates.

I was questioning your logic about Heinicke  not running but after watching Howell, I agree

[FootballZombie]

Lookit how happy Darnold is.

Its all about the team success.

[cougs]

Wrong place. 

Edited January 8, 2023 by cougs

[ANONYMOUS SOURCE.]

Wrong thread my bad.

Edited January 8, 2023 by ANONYMOUS SOURCE.

[Captain Wiggles]

1 hour ago, FootballZombie said:

Lookit how happy Darnold is.

 

Probably taken while he still has all that top pick played in NYC swag. 🤭

Edited January 9, 2023 by Captain Wiggles

[Llevron]

We really upgraded in the hair department too 

[Daniel.redskins]

I've seen all I need, we have a QB!  Strong arm, quick release, quick decisions, mobility, accurate, it's all there.  And this was against a top 10 defense.  This was not a fluke.  Arm strength is not a fluke, mobility is not fluke.  It feels good!

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

So I think it’s now clearly safe to say that Howell was more than capable of running the Heinicke offense all along. 

[tshile]

Little disappointing we didn’t see him earlier…

 

but I guess it is what it is. 
 

im comfortable going into next season with Howell and some 3rd/4th/5th round pick. 
 

 

[Riggo#44]

The most important thing I saw from Howell was poise and confidence. He never seemed rattled, never got happy feet. I was very impressed.

 

I'd love to hear more from those with a more attuned eye to the fundamentals.

[zCommander]

In the offseason I  wanted a rookie QB in 23. I am happy that it might be Howell.

 

 

Edited January 9, 2023 by zCommander

[Califan007 The Constipated]

5 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

So I think it’s now clearly safe to say that Howell was more than capable of running the Heinicke offense all along. 

 

I'm gonna wait lol...I remember how we all felt after seeing Wentz against the Jags. But it's a nice feeling to have right now going into the offseason.

 

 

[EmirOfShmo]

1 minute ago, Riggo#44 said:

The most important thing I saw from Howell was poise and confidence. He never seemed rattled, never got happy feet. I was very impressed.

 

I'd love to hear more from those with a more attuned eye to the fundamentals.

Agreed. He kept his poise after the poor pass INT. I liked seeing the different arm angles when he needed to get the ball down the field. 

[zCommander]

1 minute ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

 

I'm gonna wait lol...I remember how we all felt after seeing Wentz against the Jags. But it's a nice feeling to have right now going into the offseason.

 

 

 

I will tell you right now. Howell is better than Wentz.

 

[LadySkinsFan]

I enjoyed watching the game. Since the opponent was Dallas, it was on my local channel. Yay! 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

 

I'm gonna wait lol...I remember how we all felt after seeing Wentz against the Jags. But it's a nice feeling to have right now going into the offseason.

 

 

I’m not anointing the guy or anything.  I just meant that it’s obvious he can clearly operate a run heavy offense behind a stout D, ie: the Heinicke offense.

[dunfer]

Game wasnt too fast for him was my biggest fist pump. Hes got the arm.legs and awareness. Now just get into that playbook with the starters

[Califan007 The Constipated]

3 minutes ago, zCommander said:

 

I will tell you right now. Howell is better than Wentz.

 

 

That's not the point lol...and I'm still gonna wait.

[willyt]

Pretty pumped! Sam did well. Happy for him and us. D was real good today..Down a lot of starters today and everyone stepped up.  Good way to end.  

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

I’d be ok with us starting Howell next year and treating him like a first round rookie. Throw it 35+ times a game and know that there’s going to be some bad weeks.

[Voice_of_Reason]

Just now, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I’m not anointing the guy or anything.  I just meant that it’s obvious he can clearly operate a run heavy offense behind a stout D, ie: the Heinicke offense.

This game should absolutely be the end of TH in DC.  Howell showed enough that he’s at least backup material. I have no idea if he starter material yet or not.

 

But he can operate the TH offense.  So TH can go.  
 

As another aside, the Bears have the #1 pick.  Do they pick a QB and trade Fields or trade the pick and keep Fields?

 

Maybe @Zim489 can get his dream of getting fields, just 2 years later and not on the Griffin deal he refuses to admit it would have taken to get him in 2021.  Btw Keim said in his podcast he was so sure they were trading up for fields he had his story written before the draft.  He heard they liked fields and we’re going to try and get him.  The fact they didn’t is further proof moving from 19 to 8 was going to take multiple first round picks and more.