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Dan T.

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Wildbunny

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26 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

People need to STOP citing Hopkins FG% and other useless stats…he’s not being asked to even attempt FG’s that other kickers make with regularity, so of course it doesn’t show up in his stats that he can’t even be trusted to attempt those kicks. We don’t give him a chance to miss them! And it effects our decision-making and playcalling every week. It’s something that can’t show up in the statistics. He’s much worse than his FG% over the years would indicate. Those only represent the shorter kicks that we trust him to try.  

I know a coach that irritated the opposing coach for running a play with 3 seconds left just because he wanted to chase history.

 

Everything gets into playcalling. Except for Jay Gruden that only looks at probabilities.

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skins island connection

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 Look, kickers go through phases where they can't tie their shoes at times correctly.

Has he missed some easy kicks? Of course.

Will he miss any in the future? Probably.

 

But, you just don't know what you're getting if you cut the guy; the next guy could look like the second coming of Blanda, and end up stinking up the joint even worse. I'm sure he's heard a few words about the misses and I seriously doubt he's just sitting back saying 'screw them', but these other guys that are available are available for a reason.

Be careful what you wish for...

 

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1 hour ago, skins island connection said:

 

 Look, kickers go through phases where they can't tie their shoes at times correctly.

Has he missed some easy kicks? Of course.

Will he miss any in the future? Probably.

 

But, you just don't know what you're getting if you cut the guy; the next guy could look like the second coming of Blanda, and end up stinking up the joint even worse. I'm sure he's heard a few words about the misses and I seriously doubt he's just sitting back saying 'screw them', but these other guys that are available are available for a reason.

Be careful what you wish for...

 

If that happens, the odds of picking up another average kicker are pretty good.  Hop isn't a rook with room to grow. If we're gonna suffer from missed kicks, it should at least be someone with an upside

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18 hours ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Cause people that point out that other kickers missed more extra points last season must clearly be Dustin Hopkins......you found out my secret. 
 

What did i say that was wrong? Would you rather have a kicker that missed FIVE extra points last year? (This is not a difficult answer)

Its just a joke about your constant, steadfast support of Hopkins no matter what. 

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20 hours ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

As long as he keeps making field goals this season, he’ll have my support. Once he starts missing field goals this season, that’ll change. 

Like almost any fans around the NFL.

Kickers will get you roller coaster on any given sunday.

 

Hopefully, we still haven't signed Scott Norwood.

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I've been hard on him for a while, but my main gripe is not being much of a threat past 50.  I would like the 52-57 yard FG to be in the arsenal.  Having said that, an 84% career kicker you should generally take that.  Compared to the rest of the league's kickers, that's pretty good.  He needs to not miss those XPs though. 

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On 8/17/2021 at 7:12 AM, Dan T. said:

The Post's Sam Fortier wrote an article published today about the WTF's kicking game, and the problems it experienced in the first preseason game in New England.  It provides some interesting insight into the nuances that make for a successful field goal or extra point.  It's always easy to blame the kicker but, as Tress Way put it, the field goal process is a "three-headed monster."

 

Read up, and get a bit more understanding of everything that goes into that few seconds of game play.

 

Inside Washington’s kicking game struggles, and what can be done to fix them

Sam Fortier, Washington Post

The Washington Football Team’s field goal operation is, in the words of Tress Way, “a three-headed monster.” The affable punter, who serves as the holder in the kicking game, sees himself as the middle head, a grinning hinge between “Hop” (kicker Dustin Hopkins) and “Cheese” (rookie long snapper Camaron Cheeseman).

At a news conference Monday, Way echoed what Coach Ron Rivera has emphasized since Hopkins went 0 for 2 in the preseason opener Thursday: The misses were more about the unit’s timing than Hopkins.

In great detail, Way explained the mechanics of the operation and what went wrong when Hopkins missed wide left from 40 and 50 yards. It seemed like a rebuttal to any worries Hopkins was slipping — as he was through Week 11 last season, when he had made a career-worst 70 percent of field goals before nailing 14 of 15 to end the year (including the postseason) and earning a one-year, $2.5 million deal to remain with the team.

But the real problem, Way said, is unfamiliarity. This offseason, Washington drafted Cheeseman in the sixth round to replace Nick Sundberg, who had been together with Way and Hopkins for seven seasons, the second-longest streak for a special teams trio behind only Baltimore’s (nine). Way insisted the three of them simply needed more time together.

The main difference between the long snappers is velocity. Cheeseman’s fastball can sometimes speed up the process Hopkins is accustomed to, Way said, though he is also quick to point out the adjustments start with him.

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...the kicker and the snapper watch the holder, who first communicates with a teammate lined up in the backfield to set the protection.

For Washington, Way usually talks to safety Deshazor Everett. They coordinate as the play clock winds down, and Way makes a “cadence call,” which changes from week to week and helps the specialists get in sync. Then Everett yells, “Set!” and Way turns to look at the line — Cheeseman’s key to snap — before raising his left hand to catch the ball, which is a common green light from holder to kicker. The goal is to go from snap to kick in less than 1.3 seconds.

Things can go awry when Everett makes a “pause call,” Way said. The specialists are cadenced and full of adrenaline, so they can get “caught leaning” when the system is out of rhythm.

More:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/08/16/washington-football-field-goal-unit/ 

 

that was TLDR.

 

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On 10/6/2021 at 2:59 AM, -JB- said:

They have to be ****ing with us signing a kicker to the practice squad names Chris Blewitt 

 

 

[Yoda voice] "No.  There is another..."

 

Ryan Succop on Signing with Bucs & Kicking Competition | Press Conference - YouTube

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I still think the Gano and Akers comparisons are off base. Both of those kickers were really young and inexperienced. Hopkins after seven years in the NFL is a finished product. He’s the kicker he is. 
 

Statistically, that’s an average kicker with a propensity to miss easy kicks.  He also, for whatever reason rarely finds true center. His kicks so often sail towards the upright which shrinks his margin for error. 
 

I also don’t really buy the narrative that the problem is synchronization. I mean it might be, but if absolute perfect coordination was needed on every kick and so difficult to achieve then the expectations for kickers wouldn’t be to hit 80+%. More, kicks under forty wouldn’t be considered automatic for NFL kickers. 

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2 hours ago, bowhunter said:

This chart shows in a bar graph how much each sprays their kicks. The graph for Slye looks pretty good.

https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/stats-articles/comparing-kickers-across-the-league-on-accuracy-between-the-uprights/

 

Slye was a good kicker last season.

 

Or was it the season before? 🤔

 

I had him on my fantasy team then and he got me a good deal of points.

 

Wonder what happened to him that he seems to be bouncing around the league now?

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