Biden/Harris Legislative/Policy Discussions - Now with a Republican House starting 2023

[goskins10]

15 hours ago, mammajamma said:

i agree, but one big problem is a lot of democrats are actually republicans, or at least center-right, and are more worried about re-election and/or keeping donors happy. doesn't seem that way since the GOP has gone off the deep end to the right. one way to fix the democratic party is for states to start picking and voting for better candidates

 

 

The reason dems can't get better candidates is too many people will not vote for them. The right wing propaganda machine is too strong and has convinced way too many people that regardless of how false it is that the democrats are extreme left, when in fact Biden would have been a great republican nominee against Reagan. Their policies are not that far apart. Yet somehow people are convinced he is a left wing extremist. 

 

I am afraid we are doomed to our own failure. Too many gullible people who have stopped thinking for themselves and then accuse anyone who disagrees of the same. I was considering retiring in the next 2 yrs but will wait now until 2024. If another republican gets elected I am out of here. Have you seen the polls lately showing 30% of republicans think violence is the only way to "get thier country back?" I arbore violence and refuse to become a gun toting redneck just to feel safe.

 

Portugal and the Panama/Costa Rica areas have great patriation policies. Nominal fee to become a citizen, cost of living about 60% with free health care, or Cadillac health care for less than $200/mo. Yes I have seriously looked into it. Thanks to the Internet I can stay in touch with loved ones. I will be able to fly them down to see me if they want to. 

[Fergasun]

What I find scary is that the average family iof 4 s getting something like $300 deposited in their bank account every month as a result of Dems, and they still did poorly in the midterms. 

 

If direct payments are not turning the needle on voting what else will overcome the emotional reaction to vote for GOP?

[mammajamma]

5 hours ago, goskins10 said:

Portugal and the Panama/Costa Rica areas have great patriation policies. Nominal fee to become a citizen, cost of living about 60% with free health care, or Cadillac health care for less than $200/mo. Yes I have seriously looked into it. Thanks to the Internet I can stay in touch with loved ones. I will be able to fly them down to see me if they want to. 

ya i hear you. there's not many benefits of staying in the US anymore, other than a false sense of superiority we've built for ourselves. i was just wondering the other day what it would be like to live in a country where childish politcal warfare doesnt completely bring human advancement to a halt. many countries have way more benefits and are ranked higher in health care, education, energy, technology, etc etc, and oh yeah, are still ranked higher for "freedom" ha.

 

ive been reading a lot about Portugal lately too. seems like that place is growing like crazy (and is gorgeous)

[skinsmarydu]

3 minutes ago, mammajamma said:

 

ive been reading a lot about Portugal lately too. seems like that place is growing like crazy (and is gorgeous)

Bom dia! 

[NoCalMike]

Labels regarding political affiliation are becoming a relic of the past because the media can't even be honest about what it means to be right of center versus a centrist versus left of center versus progressive etc etc......right now the way the media covers this is that pretty much anything to the left of Biden  is too progressive, when in reality if you look at where the people are on a lot of these same issues, they vote for progressive policy, just not the progressive candidates.   HCR shot up in popularity whenever Obama's name was not associated with it. Most of the individual items in the Infrastructure bill poll at 60% or more across the aisle.  A lot of the stuff that get ripped out of the bill was polling high as well.

 

We have to come to grips with the fact that most services being offered through government spending is due to the private sector failing to live up to it's end of the bargain and suffering no consequences for it.  The wealth continues to be consolidated in an upward shift.  The population continues to grow, but the accumulated wealth for 99% of the people continues to shrink.  Americans who are left, centrist, moderate, right, etc etc.....all recognize this and they are all angry about, but they are consuming media sources that are being dishonest to them about it all in the name of keeping taxes lower on the super wealthy and allowing them to hide more of their obligations to society.   It's not as if this is all on accident, it is the design of how the system works without checks &  balances and/or tweaks here and there to it. As long as half the working class poor/middle class are being told the wrong people/reasons to blame this on, they will continue voting for passe' slogans  like "economic freedom"   

 

I bring this up in the infrastructure/agenda thread because all we keep hearing is that Biden is bending to the progressive's will, but I fail to see what in the bill is super-progressive, historically speaking.   Somewhere in the last 40 years it feels like there was a huge effort to change the perspective of many Americans and get them to turn on things that were commonly accepted & supported before.   Yes, there will always be debates about how much and how to fund, but the ideas themselves were always seen as fundamentally solid.  The monied interests have spent a lot of time & resources to changing the fundamental agreed upon ideas. 

Edited November 6, 2021 by NoCalMike

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[Llevron]

On 11/6/2021 at 1:02 PM, Fergasun said:

What I find scary is that the average family iof 4 s getting something like $300 deposited in their bank account every month as a result of Dems, and they still did poorly in the midterms. 

 

If direct payments are not turning the needle on voting what else will overcome the emotional reaction to vote for GOP?

I know what you are saying but we haven’t had midterms yet. 
 

The problem as always is Dem messaging. Most of those people getting I bet don’t know it’s the Dems who gave it to them. 

[88Comrade2000]

Even worse, many of the provision in the 2nd bill; don't go into effect until 2023-2025.

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[tshile]

On 11/6/2021 at 1:02 PM, Fergasun said:

 

 

If direct payments are not turning the needle on voting what else will overcome the emotional reaction to vote for GOP?

ive seen this said a lot and it’s all over the place. News. Podcasts. Here. So im not trying to pick on you. 
 

but I will say that if your target audience is moderate middle class people, I do not think that plan sells as well as you all seem to think so.  
 

I realize there’s polls about who knows about it.  But i have a gut feeling some key demos know about it and just don’t like the idea. 
 

I know about it. I get it. I don’t want it. And I’m not sure it’s the right thing to do

 

doesnt change my vote. But I bet it doesn’t help Dems as much as they think it should. 

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[CousinsCowgirl84]

The house Democrats waxing on over this passing the house is totally ridiculous. No celebration till it’s done.

Edited November 19, 2021 by CousinsCowgirl84

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[Renegade7]

Universal pre-k and increased child care subsidies is a huge deal for every parent no matter their political party. 

 

That's the perfect counter punch the dems need if Republicans are serious about increasing education funding in their states to win back moderate conservative white women.

 

Get er done...

[goskins10]

7 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

Universal pre-k and increased child care subsidies is a huge deal for every parent no matter their political party. 

 

That's the perfect counter punch the dems need if Republicans are serious about increasing education funding in their states to win back moderate conservative white women.

 

Get er done...

 

 

The entire Democrats are destroying the middle class argument is a lot harder to make when you so positively impact peoples daily lives. Having said, there are millions of people getting additional child credit money and those same people are convinced that democrats are all socialists and taking money away from them even though it's democrats who are giving them the money!!  

 

It all comes to messaging. The message is there but do the democrats communicate figure out how to do it effectively? So far they have shown zero ability to take advantage of the positive things they do. Republican's are for more effective with thier negative messaging. This has to change or we are still looking at a republican landslide during midterms. 

[88Comrade2000]

Now comes the Manchin and Sinema ax.

[tshile]

9 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Universal pre-k and increased child care subsidies is a huge deal for every parent no matter their political party. 

 

eh. It’s not going to help me. As usual there’s this really important thing that everyone should have except it’s capped in one way or another. 

[NoCalMike]

The GOP's message of Freedom has always been a hard one to counter because it is so vague and loaded and something a lot of people won't dig deep into as it relates to actual policy.  that you can hide just about everyone single of their regressive policies behind it and in the name of it.   Economic Freedom has always been code for the wealthy paying less taxes and increasing their personal fortunes at a faster and higher rate.  That is simply all it has ever meant, but the GOP will smartly call it freedom.

[Renegade7]

36 minutes ago, tshile said:

eh. It’s not going to help me. As usual there’s this really important thing that everyone should have except it’s capped in one way or another. 

 

For someone that keeps posting about how many stupid people there are in this country, your indifference to universal pre-k still doesn't suprise me.

[Corcaigh]

I won’t benefit from much of this but eliminating the ACA cliff for a few more years would be fabulous.

[tshile]

11 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

For someone that keeps posting about how many stupid people there are in this country, your indifference to universal pre-k still doesn't suprise me.

It’s entirely possible that my issue is that I didn’t pay attention early on so I was just surprised, but it feels more like false advertising.

 

I think universal pre-k is very important. But it’s more standard Democrat bs where they spend al this time telling you how important this thing in life is that everyone should have this benefit, then the language cuts you out of it. 

[Barry.Randolphe]

2 hours ago, tshile said:

It’s entirely possible that my issue is that I didn’t pay attention early on so I was just surprised, but it feels more like false advertising.

 

I think universal pre-k is very important. But it’s more standard Democrat bs where they spend al this time telling you how important this thing in life is that everyone should have this benefit, then the language cuts you out of it. 

 

I think that's the Manchin/Sinema effect. I thought the pre-k coverage was pretty widespread until they gutted it

[China]

Build Back Better Does Not Implement the Child Care and Pre-K Plans

 

The House of Representatives passed its version of the Build Back Better legislation late last week. Two of the sections in the bill are related to universal pre-k and child care subsidies. Popular coverage of these sections suggests that, once they are passed by the senate and signed by the president, these programs will become available to families across the country. But this isn’t true.

 

In order for either of these programs to actually be set up, each state will have to pass its own pre-k and child care legislation, not only to accept the federal funds, but also to fund the state-level cost-sharing required by the legislation and to set up the various state agencies to implement the plans.

 

This means that the programs must be approved, not just by the house, senate, and president, but also by each state’s lower house, upper house, and governor. The table below outlines which party controls these three veto points in every state.

 

Overall, only 14 states have unified Democratic control. For the other 37 states, the only way that the pre-k and child care plans will be implemented is if they pass at least one Republican-controlled veto point.

 

Click on the link for the full article

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