88Comrade2000 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Jumbo said: it's sinema i'd be most concerned about she is a scruple-free place-holder politically, of modest personal wealth, maximizing her current prominence as her best shot ever at some kind of major score...she's also a policy pinhead but when you're thinking of her political positions, her general 'character' and intellect as you've observed, just imagine a little conspiracy scenario where a few folks suggest to her that about $250 mil in dark money might find it's way into some island bank acct for her to retire on, or do whatever, if she singe handedly sinks the entire dem deal by refusing to give her vote to any compromise she can always say it's 'too high' no matter how much they come down and claim it's her being true to her ethics as a 'responsible moderate dem' with a more conservative constituency...and those same folks can add a sweetener if she wants to continue in politics by suggesting she change her party affiliation to 'r' and in the future run for any big office as a new hero/star and all the gopers will make her a shoo-in for taking out the whole dem agenda ok---now you dark money guys who read here---don't really do this, ok? i'm just fooling around with this stuff She might as well switch to the gop; she’s a republican posing as a Dem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 "My sources tell me rich donors informed one Senator they would pay them $200k to and I quote, do a Roman thumbs down gesture as you vote against raising the minimum wage. At first they were surprised what so little money could buy, they paid the unnamed Senator and promised more." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 ^^^^They showed that yesterday on MSNBC. What a b-word. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) I know it's the game now, but it's still such a sad state of affairs that there isn't one Republican who would vote for the infrastructure bill or even one who might be a possibility. The fact that they are all such a monolith purely for the sake of power games speaks so badly of our nation. Edited September 30, 2021 by Burgold 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Several good jokes on several modern political matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Manchin says reconciliation bill must include controversial Hyde Amendment Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said late Wednesday that an expansion of Medicaid that Democrats are seeking to pass as part of their massive reconciliation bill must include the Hyde Amendment to get his support. “Yeah, we’re not taking the Hyde Amendment off. Hyde’s going to be on,” Manchin told National Review when asked about a proposed Medicaid-like program in the reconciliation bill. “It has to be. It has to be. That’s dead on arrival if that’s gone,” Manchin, who has described himself as "pro-life, and proud of it," added. Under the Hyde Amendment, Medicaid and other federal programs are prohibited from covering abortion expenses. Government spending bills have included the stipulation since 1976. Some Democrats are pushing to include a Medicaid-like program in the reconciliation package in which the federal government would step in and provide coverage in the 12 GOP-led states that have so far declined to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. The Democrats' proposal does not include language reflecting the Hyde Amendment. Democrats are trying to move a massive spending package that could include the Medicaid language through a process known as budget reconciliation, which prevents it from being filibustered. This means they could move the package through the Senate with no GOP votes, but they cannot afford a single Democratic defection. Bills have been routinely passed with Hyde Amendment language for years, but doing so has grown much more controversial among Democrats, and the new debate would come as many Democrats worry over access to abortion rights given state laws limiting the practice. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 So remind me again how Manchin is "moderate?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/30/how-a-bill-gets-passed-into-law-gridlock-congress-514532 Edited October 1, 2021 by Rdskns2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 The fact that even Fox News polls of their own viewers show the Infrastructure being popular, you'd think it would give those viewers some pause as to what it actually means to be a progressive/democrat centrist/GOP/Trumper in 2021, but they just can't seem to separate policy from the politicians. It never seems to connect with these people that it should really be about the policy itself not the person writing/signing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 5 hours ago, NoCalMike said: The fact that even Fox News polls of their own viewers show the Infrastructure being popular, you'd think it would give those viewers some pause as to what it actually means to be a progressive/democrat centrist/GOP/Trumper in 2021, but they just can't seem to separate policy from the politicians. It never seems to connect with these people that it should really be about the policy itself not the person writing/signing it. because the only thing that actually moves the needle for those people is their standing in the culture war, which mostly boils down to the fact that they don’t care anything at all about actual policy, they just want to know that it’s ok to hate the people they want to hate 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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China Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 On 9/13/2021 at 1:06 PM, China said: Re: Minimum wage: Minimum wage would be $26 an hour if it had grown in line with productivity The federal minimum wage in the U.S. has remained glued at $7.25 an hour for the last 12 years, the longest stretch without a boost since it was first adopted in 1938. Yet there's another revealing figure that underscores how the minimum wage — created by Congress after the Great Depression as a way to ensure that Americans were fairly paid for their labor — has failed to keep up with the times. Even as workers have been more industrious — helping drive corporate profits, the stock market and CEO compensation to record heights — their pay has flatlined, or even declined when factoring in inflation. If the minimum wage had kept pace with gains in the economy's productivity over the last 50 years, it would be nearly $26 an hour today, or more than $50,000 a year in annual income, one economist notes. "That may sound pretty crazy, but that's roughly what the minimum wage would be today if it had kept pace with productivity growth since its value peaked in 1968," wrote Dean Baker, senior economist at the left-leaning Center for Economic and Policy Research, in a recent blog post. Click on the link for more, including graph How does Dick’s Drive-In pay workers $19 an hour with a menu completely under $5? Dick’s Drive-In has always paid high wages and provided amazing benefits for its employees, like college scholarships, child care, and health care, and at the end of September, the company raised its base wage from $18 to $19 an hour. Last week I got a press release from Taco Time, announcing a test program that will pay entry level crew members $20 an hour at its Issaquah and North Bend locations, its shortest staffed restaurants. All positions include paid vacation, medical and dental insurance, a 401k, and free meals for staff and their families. A couple weeks ago, Seattle’s Dan Price — the CEO who made headlines for taking a pay cut so he could pay all of his employees $70,000 salaries — tweeted the following: So how do these companies do it? Dick’s Drive-In President Jasmine Donovan is in a particularly good position to provide some insight. “I am the granddaughter of Dick Spady, our namesake and one of our three co-founders,” Donovan said. She said Dick’s raised its prices earlier this year to afford the pay increase and because of rising costs associated with supply chain issues. “Our Deluxe [burger], at some of our locations, went up by 25 cents; some other products went up five cents or 10 cents,” she explained. “We appreciate that customers don’t mind. We like to be able to pay the highest wages and benefits in the industry, it’s something we’re very proud of. But to do it, we have to sell a lot of burgers and sometimes have to charge a little bit more.” But not that much more; the most expensive thing on the menu is $4.25. Click on the link for the full article 2 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Biden plots debt ceiling blitz to focus the blame on McConnell After months of playing it cool on the debt ceiling, the White House has quickly begun to turn the screws on Republicans in an attempt to shift blame for the financial brinkmanship squarely onto Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. President Joe Biden entered the escalating standoff on Monday to declare that Senate Republicans were being “hypocritical, dangerous, and disgraceful.” White House press secretary Jen Psaki charged that Republicans under President Donald Trump spent like “drunken sailors” and unveiled a chart comparing the debt they incurred. The White House is also planning to dispatch more surrogates to deliver their debt ceiling message on TV this week, with hopes of framing the debate as one between a Senate minority leader blocking avenues to avoid default while the administration offers swift resolutions. Click on the link for the full article 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 I mean who doesn't love Dick's? 🤭 I wasn't an English major butt doesn't the apostrophe mean the name of the restauran is actually Dick is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, clietas said: I mean who doesn't love Dick's? 🤭 I wasn't an English major butt doesn't the apostrophe mean the name of the restaurant is actually Dick is? Possessive so the apostrophe is correct. https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2013/06/forming-possessives-with-singular-names.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) I think that Biden or Pelosi (or someone, AOC is a good speaker but I don’t think you want her to be the face of this in this case) should hold maybe biweekly “rally’s” kinda like Trump did where they talk about all the good things the Spending bill has. I was watching the first part of last week tonight after @Chinaposted the PFAS story they did and he was listing off all the things that were in it and they seemed good, but really every time the news covers it they cover it as 3 trillion dollar spending bill (even CNN) instead of what’s it it. Then, when they bring on the talking heads it’s “we owe it to our children to pass it” or “it’s two expensive”, again without detailing what is in it. I think if Biden or Pelosi held rally’s, especially in a state like West Virginia or Arizona I think the people there could pressure Manchin and Senema into capitulation. Edited October 7, 2021 by CousinsCowgirl84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CjSuAvE22 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Just out of curiosity here, the 3.5 trillion dollar build back plan is being pushed by saying most of the funding will come from people that make 400k a year or more, so all these corporations and wealthy people are somehow going to start paying taxes while the middle class won't receive a much of a tax hike and we will have this magnificent plan that's going to build back America. Does this make sense to all of you about where the funding is going to come from? Are corporations just going to stop budgeting millions of dollars hiring CPAs and Money Managers to avoid paying taxes because this plan gets passed by congress? Or will the middle class which I suspect is most of us here on this forum going to be the ones stuck paying the bills since we can't afford substantially trained high CPAs and Money managers to clear paying taxes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 It's not like this administration isn't trying to close tax loopholes as well. 🤷 Passing the infrastructure bill and closing tax loopholes makes perfect sense to me. Republicans proposed doing such back in the 2016 campaign. They just never bothered actually doing it cuz ya know the greedy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, clietas said: Republicans proposed doing such back in the 2016 campaign. They just never bothered actually doing it cuz ya know the greedy. Pretty sure they actually did. They "closed a tax loophole" that raised the taxes of middle class people in high wage (Democrat) areas. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Larry said: Pretty sure they actually did. They "closed a tax loophole" that raised the taxes of middle class people in high wage (Democrat) areas. If I remember they did that by placing a limit on the SALT deductions from your federal taxes. This disproportionately impacted democrats. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Well, since we know that Kyrsten Sinema is in the pocket of big pharma it's now clear why she's being obstructionist about the spending bill: With D.C. drug pricing talks up in the air, the 'endgame' could still 'have a bite,' analyst says With Democrats in Washington debating the specifics of the president's infrastructure program, the pharmaceutical industry may be able to squeak out a much-desired drug pricing win. As the negotiations unfold, Politico reports that the party leadership may have to abandon its proposal to have Medicare negotiate drug prices. Federal drug pricing negotiations are a top priority for some Democrats, but the pharmaceutical industry has staunchly opposed the idea, including through an open letter to Congress and a briefing with reporters. While Medicare price negotiations could save the government $450 billion over a decade, the measure would also reduce the number of new medicines that reach the market, experts say. The proposal is a "pay-for" to help fund President Joe Biden's multitrillion-dollar spending legislation. Dropping it could anger some progressive Democrats, Politico notes. Even though broad negotiations might not make it into the final legislative package, the "endgame" could still "have a bite," Bernstein analyst Ronny Gal wrote to clients this week. Click on the link for the full article 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 9 hours ago, CjSuAvE22 said: Just out of curiosity here, the 3.5 trillion dollar build back plan is being pushed by saying most of the funding will come from people that make 400k a year or more, so all these corporations and wealthy people are somehow going to start paying taxes while the middle class won't receive a much of a tax hike and we will have this magnificent plan that's going to build back America. Does this make sense to all of you about where the funding is going to come from? Are corporations just going to stop budgeting millions of dollars hiring CPAs and Money Managers to avoid paying taxes because this plan gets passed by congress? Or will the middle class which I suspect is most of us here on this forum going to be the ones stuck paying the bills since we can't afford substantially trained high CPAs and Money managers to clear paying taxes... So you are suggesting that they are just saying its going to come from taxing the 400k+ club but really its all a ruse to get more of the taxes from the middle class? And that a major political party that wants to retain power thinks that they are going to just sneak that one by us and get away with it? And you think that party is the Democrats? LOL! Really? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CjSuAvE22 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 30 minutes ago, Llevron said: So you are suggesting that they are just saying its going to come from taxing the 400k+ club but really its all a ruse to get more of the taxes from the middle class? And that a major political party that wants to retain power thinks that they are going to just sneak that one by us and get away with it? And you think that party is the Democrats? LOL! Really? Correct prove me wrong with some facts.....how much tax has corporations been paying since the past 30 years? This is where Psaki clearly stated that they were planning to help fund this plan, what inside this plan is going to go into law and change tax codes so big corp will end up fronting the bill, is there anything?? And if there was how do you disprove the fact that these wealthy entities have the means and budget to get people into their systems for the sole purpose of lowering how much the pay in tax, something the common folk do not have access to...?? Where is the money going to come from....they said it isn't going to cost the US citizens a dime but im not 100 percent so sure about that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Just want to let everyone know that you can totally not pay any federal taxes ever, middle-class/upper-class/otherwise. Of course that might be illegal and you might end up in prison with your house seized…but, you still never paid taxes technically. Iow, tax avoidance is legal and tax evasion is criminal. The wealthy hire accountants to keep them legal not to help them do crime…mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, CjSuAvE22 said: Correct prove me wrong with some facts..... That's a strange tactic. So now the onus is on me prove your wild conspiracy-ish theory based on nothing is false? They are saying they will tax more, close the loop holes and enforce more penalties. You are saying that is impossible, right? 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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