-9- Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 15 hours ago, XxSpearheadxX said: … but I think Sweats ceiling is higher than Charles Mann. 4x Pro-Bowl 2x All-Pro (2nd team) 3x Super Bowl Champion “We’ll see … “ 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSpearheadxX Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, 09 said: 4x Pro-Bowl 2x All-Pro (2nd team) 3x Super Bowl Champion “We’ll see … “ I'm not talking about superbowl championships. There is nothing to see, his ceiling is higher, period, end of story. It doesn't mean he will reach it, he could blow his knees out and never get there. From a physical talent perspective Montez Sweat is much more physically talented than Mann (Mann was my favorite player as a kid and I wore his number.) His ceiling as a talent is higher, like you said though we will see if that translates into superbowls and all pro. edit:I wasnt trying tonbe snarky sorry if it came off that way Edited July 9, 2021 by XxSpearheadxX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 The conversation about which DL to let walk has sprung up again. While I understand the conversation, "You can't have X amount of the salary cap tied to the DL", I don't think that philosophy is the best. Young's contract would possibly be "new market setting," but the others should receive top 3-5 money. We do have a culture and winning tradition building now so the expectation we have to "be that team" to overpay everyone should expire as well. Some would argue that paying 4 DL top 5 money isn't okay, but I'd ask why not? They can all be on the field at one time. They are the best at their positions on our team right now. As long as we continue to build through the draft, we will have young talent developing at other positions on smaller contracts. If any of those players develop, we would be paying them when our DL contracts are expiring and the salary cap was higher. We are in a good position salary cap and roster wise. The only reason you'd have to let one of the DL walk is if they all were asking for #1 in the league contracts, which I doubt, or two if you planned on throwing out more large FA contracts to someone else's talent. I'd hope we learned our lesson there, but I do think some fans would enjoy the nostalgia of complaining about one of the players we let go succeeding elsewhere or a big FA contract not living up to the hype. Those were the days? I'm not buying any of these guys being anywhere near their ceilings. Recent young dominant DL for teams like Ravens, Steelers, and Patriots aged like fine wine- with players playing into their 30s anchoring those defenses. These are not RBs. They're not WRs or CBs. Guys on the DL can play longer and keep getting better as long as they take care of their bodies. I believe getting all of them to at least their 2nd contract would maximize what we already have. If we do let one of them walk, and spend that money on a FA old school style, they had better work out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 https://youtu.be/VP6UVJfYjCs Man, watching this video has me so damn hyped. That clip at the 1:59 mark of Payne walking out of the locker room with Chase behind him....like we're getting ready to unleash two monsters from hell. This D line is gonna be FILTHY this year. 3 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 8 hours ago, IrepDC said: The conversation about which DL to let walk has sprung up again. While I understand the conversation, "You can't have X amount of the salary cap tied to the DL", I don't think that philosophy is the best. Young's contract would possibly be "new market setting," but the others should receive top 3-5 money. We do have a culture and winning tradition building now so the expectation we have to "be that team" to overpay everyone should expire as well. Some would argue that paying 4 DL top 5 money isn't okay, but I'd ask why not? They can all be on the field at one time. They are the best at their positions on our team right now. As long as we continue to build through the draft, we will have young talent developing at other positions on smaller contracts. If any of those players develop, we would be paying them when our DL contracts are expiring and the salary cap was higher. We are in a good position salary cap and roster wise. The only reason you'd have to let one of the DL walk is if they all were asking for #1 in the league contracts, which I doubt, or two if you planned on throwing out more large FA contracts to someone else's talent. I'd hope we learned our lesson there, but I do think some fans would enjoy the nostalgia of complaining about one of the players we let go succeeding elsewhere or a big FA contract not living up to the hype. Those were the days? I'm not buying any of these guys being anywhere near their ceilings. Recent young dominant DL for teams like Ravens, Steelers, and Patriots aged like fine wine- with players playing into their 30s anchoring those defenses. These are not RBs. They're not WRs or CBs. Guys on the DL can play longer and keep getting better as long as they take care of their bodies. I believe getting all of them to at least their 2nd contract would maximize what we already have. If we do let one of them walk, and spend that money on a FA old school style, they had better work out. I'm with you, it can make sense, but only if you believe you are drafting well. So paying for DL works if the OL is cheap, contributing, and has some time left on their rookie contracts. Or replace OL with secondary or QB or whatever. So overpaying 1 unit to keep it together balances out if another quality unit is underpaid. Projecting OL to be fine with Cosmi and Charles on rookie contracts for 3-4 years isn't justifiable yet as they haven't really played even if they do ooze potential. If in 2021 both those players have played and look legitimate, then yeah, we should spend some money to retain that DL strength. So it's situational. We want our roster to have a strength that we can rely on schematically against any team. If the DL looks ever better in 2021, I would like to keep that strength. The LB's and Safeties would play better knowing they can rely on a good DL doing things they're supposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSpearheadxX Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 drafting well is key 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koolblue13 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Iaon back, Sweat doing offseason training with Chase, Much better players behind them in McCain and WJIII. Davis and Holcomb should be much better. Playing more cover 1 man with Juste and WJIII. Collins flying around the line. I am so freaking excited to see this defense play. Especially if we can score quick and really let them pin their ears back. JDR defenses usually crush in their second year and I gotta believe this is Jacks most talented one. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Why do I get the impression that the entire DLine is not vaccinated? lol... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Califan007 said: Why do I get the impression that the entire DLine is not vaccinated? lol... Allen seems smart/mature, I'm confident he was one of the first to get vaccinated. Payne...no idea, but strikes me as the type to not really give a crap but will get vaxed just so he can play football and not lose money. Young concerns me a bit but again I think the guy just loves football and is too much of a team guy to risk being selfish and blowing it all and will ultimately get vaxed(but probably needed to be persuaded some). Sweat is the big worry, fairly confident he isn't vaxed yet and might not ever get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfanarcticstyle Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) Did Allen just sign a 4 year 72 million extension 30 mil signing bonus ? Edited July 26, 2021 by skinsfanarcticstyle Added info 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 41 minutes ago, skinsfanarcticstyle said: Did Allen just sign a 4 year 72 million extension 30 mil signing bonus ? Yes. Confirmed on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Great move - cap friendly, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Extending Allen is great news and it looks like a reasonable deal. One down, three to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 2:47 PM, Califan007 said: Why do I get the impression that the entire DLine is not vaccinated? lol... *Sigh* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) error Edited September 12, 2021 by dyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Terribly overrated D line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Don't see how Chase and Montez break any kind of sack record. Hopefully we have an easy schedule, oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I got the impression the chargers could have dominated on the ground or air today. Too bad the offense couldn’t do enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhead36 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 The DL is overrated. They haven't done anything against offenses of note. Every good offense destroyed them last year and they got destroyed today. I don't think they won a single individual matchup in pass rush situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar1156 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Drafting Jamin Davis was not enough. We needed to replace Bostic too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, lavar1156 said: Drafting Jamin Davis was not enough. We needed to replace Bostic too. Yep we needed a complete overhaul at LB. Unfortunately FA just didn't have much available, all the good ones resigned with their teams pretty much right away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, lavar1156 said: Drafting Jamin Davis was not enough. We needed to replace Bostic too. Jamin maaaaaay have been a huge reach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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