Rex Tomb Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, KDawg said: I keep trying to tell people this. He’ll likely be fine. He’s still the same dude everyone swooned. My guess is this is a bit of a sophomore slump and he gets uber pissed and works his ass off this coming off-season. It appears he started reading his own press clippings and didn't feel the urgency to continue growing. The fruit that it's bearing is likely extremely bitter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hangman- C_Hanburger Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I don't have games to re-watch so I can't verify what I *thought* is saw on the Dline. I don't remember any stunts by either Chase or Sweat..I seem to only recall straight vertical lane rushes. Did the Dline use any/many stunts to confuse the OL blocking? I'll watch more closely Sunday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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86 Snyder Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Warhead36 said: We're getting pressure here and there but we haven't seen that collective pocket collapsing ability yet. Its kinda like in baseball when one or two guys are hitting but the rest aren't so you end up with guys on base but no runs scored yet everyone has decent batting average stats. Eventually everyone is gonna break through and we're gonna have one of those 5+ sack games. Could very well be this week against a statue QB behind a bad OL. If it's NOT this week, ho boy. Schedule only gets harder. Edited October 1, 2021 by 86 Snyder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, 86 Snyder said: If it's NOT this week, ho boy. Schedule only gets harder. If our defense gets shredded this week, JDR has to go. Rivera has to take over. No good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madden lot Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 4 hours ago, tmandoug1 said: I went back and read CY draft profile and he is playing exactly as predicted. So you telln me he's un coachable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmandoug1 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, madden lot said: So you telln me he's un coachable? Depends on how big his head is right now.....I would hope he let's coaches coach. But if he starts barking at coaches on the sideline during games, we may have trouble in generational talent kingdom land! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Someone posted a video of Chase saying his lack of production was because of Payne, but I can't find it now. Anyone see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: Someone posted a video of Chase saying his lack of production was because of Payne, but I can't find it now. Anyone see that? Chase doesn't get it. He runs bad lines - confirmed by former players - and blames the other guy for not adapting to him. This is an immature leader. We're going to see growing pains this year. Edited October 1, 2021 by Silvernon 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Silvernon said: Chase doesn't get it. He runs bad lines - confirmed by former players - and blames the other guy for not adapting to him. This is an immature leader. We're going to see growing pains this year. Yeah, he does seem to have some of that "I'm the star, conform to me" attitude. That said, I think Payne has been capable of what he's been doing and maybe because there's a contract coming, he's not playing his assignments right. I don't know enough to make that call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Yeah, he does seem to have some of that "I'm the star, conform to me" attitude. That said, I think Payne has been capable of what he's been doing and maybe because there's a contract coming, he's not playing his assignments right. I don't know enough to make that call. It looks like Payne's staying in his lane/gap like the others... There were a couple of plays he was a inside of where he should of been, but that was as he was a step or two away from the QB. On those plays, if Young has a better line Payne actually gifts him a couple of pressures/sacks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, Silvernon said: It looks like Payne's staying in his lane/gap like the others... There were a couple of plays he was a inside of where he should of been, but that was as he was a step or two away from the QB. On those plays, if Young has a better line Payne actually gifts him a couple of pressures/sacks. Oh I agree. It looks like Payne is wrecking havoc on almost every play. Just trying to keep an uneducated mind open. Payne is probably my favorite player on the team, so I'd like to just think that's just him crushing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 11 hours ago, tmandoug1 said: Depends on how big his head is right now.....I would hope he let's coaches coach. But if he starts barking at coaches on the sideline during games, we may have trouble in generational talent kingdom land! Does Chase have direct access to Dan's office like RGIII and Portis did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D’Pablo Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Silvernon said: Chase doesn't get it. He runs bad lines - confirmed by former players - and blames the other guy for not adapting to him. This is an immature leader. We're going to see growing pains this year. I’m not hearing what you’re hearing from this press conference. Chase doesn’t place any blame on Payne. He says he isn’t able to see what Payne is doing on the field. When he talks about going inside, he says someone has to take his place- presumably, he’s talking about a stunt and miscommunication. Again, he’s not talking about a specific play or player, but miscommunication along the defense (the theme of all his responses). Are we already to the point where we look at each of his statements in the most uncharitable light? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 The DL's issue is fixable. The worrisome part is the back end where we're just lacking talent at some key spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Wolf Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, D’Pablo said: I’m not hearing what you’re hearing from this press conference. Chase doesn’t place any blame on Payne. He says he isn’t able to see what Payne is doing on the field. When he talks about going inside, he says someone has to take his place- presumably, he’s talking about a stunt and miscommunication. Again, he’s not talking about a specific play or player, but miscommunication along the defense (the theme of all his responses). Are we already to the point where we look at each of his statements in the most uncharitable light? i was thinking the same thing, I listened to it several times and he never mentioned Payne not doing his job or blaming Payne for anything… maybe there is another clip somewhere that people are referencing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, A-Lost-Wolf said: i was thinking the same thing, I listened to it several times and he never mentioned Payne not doing his job or blaming Payne for anything… maybe there is another clip somewhere that people are referencing? I think it was the "people need to cover my back when I do things" comment and then saying "I don't know what Payne was doing". Comes off as "I'm the rusher and people need to support me". I'm pretty sure he knows what Payne was doing leading the team in pressures by a lot and it's Payne next to him, so I'd assume that's who he is saying needs to be behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Wolf Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: I think it was the "people need to cover my back when I do things" comment and then saying "I don't know what Payne was doing". Comes off as "I'm the rusher and people need to support me". I'm pretty sure he knows what Payne was doing leading the team in pressures by a lot and it's Payne next to him, so I'd assume that's who he is saying needs to be behind him. I think he was referring to a Stunt they ran where he went to the inside and the inside player needs to loop around to the outside… kinda makes sense if I understand how a stunt works. There really is no context for the play he is referring to but it sounds like they ended up in a cuddle puddle (technical term) in the middle somehow 🤷♂️. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, A-Lost-Wolf said: I think he was referring to a Stunt they ran where he went to the inside and the inside player needs to loop around to the outside… kinda makes sense if I understand how a stunt works. There really is no context for the play he is referring to but it sounds like they ended up in a cuddle puddle (technical term) in the middle somehow 🤷♂️. I agree, but can't imagine what play they're talking about. I know the one play that Spears ripped, he said there should have been a LBer or safety to fill the gap left by his rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 19 hours ago, Rex Tomb said: If our defense gets shredded this week, JDR has to go. Rivera has to take over. No good. I don’t know that I want to see this happen because it means things went terribly wrong. But I might like to see Rivera take over the defense. I don’t know at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 4 hours ago, A-Lost-Wolf said: I think he was referring to a Stunt they ran where he went to the inside and the inside player needs to loop around to the outside… kinda makes sense if I understand how a stunt works. There really is no context for the play he is referring to but it sounds like they ended up in a cuddle puddle (technical term) in the middle somehow 🤷♂️. He was talking about the touchdown 8 hours ago, A-Lost-Wolf said: i was thinking the same thing, I listened to it several times and he never mentioned Payne not doing his job or blaming Payne for anything… maybe there is another clip somewhere that people are referencing? 1:38-2:25 in that clip to me was the rough part. "I took an inside move and I beat the tackle...someone has to come cover it." So, he did a move that brought him out of position and expects his DT to adapt and cover for him. "We got to communicate more. Where my tackle getting. Being more specific while communicating." Spoiler: Your tackle was getting to the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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