A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[Peregrine]

All we need to finish this out is them to finish the rebrand and announce the team as the Washington Carolina Panthers.

 

I think Im fine with the Mayhew hire, and think he may be a good fit, but with Hurney it doesnt seem like he had a good track record.  I kept hearing he was a good leader but just poor with player evaluation so he needed someone to do that, and now it looks like thats exactly what his job is.  I havent been the biggest fan of Smith as I thought he was getting too much praise for some mediocre drafts based on "future potential", but I think its a bit odd to see him out the door right after he seems to have figured it out.  His last 2 drafts are I think his best.

[Skinsinparadise]

7 minutes ago, Thinking Skins said:

So I really wonder what the falling out with Smith was?

 

Was it his personality / charisma? Its cool to be a football nerd and all into the scouting reports, but was he able to talk to people and disagree without storming out of the room?

Was it butting heads over personnel? I've pointed out many times that a lot of the players that have been brought in have been said to be Gruden picks or picks by other coaches. So I'm left wondering who actually was Smith's pick.

Is there something else that is going to come out later? I'm sure that in the coming days/weeks/months we're going to hear a lot more about this story and why it didn't work. 

 

I think interesting is too strong of a word but I'll be following this story to see what actually comes to light in terms of what led to this decision. 

 

The impression I get, granted its jusrt crumbs from people who cover the team, if there is a falling out with Kyle its not about disagreeing on personnel.  But who knows maybe ultimately it will come out. 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

3 minutes ago, Peregrine said:

I kept hearing he was a good leader but just poor with player evaluation so he needed someone to do that, and now it looks like thats exactly what his job is.

Right, when the news came out that Mayhew was GM and Hurney would have some other executive type job - I certainly wasn't thinking he'd be Exec. VP of PP.  I was thinking more like 'Executive Friend to the Heach Coach'.

[Thinking Skins]

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

The impression I get, granted its jusrt crumbs from people who cover the team, if there is a falling out with Kyle its not about disagreeing on personnel.  But who knows maybe ultimately it will come out. 

Honestly I think its the Dan factor. I think its all about Dan wanting Haskins and Kyle not. And more, that Kyle told him. And more, that Kyle did it in front of others. This is the same guy who is rumored to have said that he doesn't like being looked at directly. So I can definitely buy that. 

 

Galdi also threw out the option that maybe Smith was leaking the stuff about Haskins. I find that interesting because they were so tight lipped until Haskins was benched. And we know Smith didn't like Haskins so there's a possibility there. But these are all just theories. 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

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Most important message I’ve gotten from Ashburn - all 3 are excited and on same page.

JP, that's comforting. I was totally expecting the most important message to be "All 3 are sort of ho hum and have difference of opinion on what to do next.".

[Lovi]

They could still elevate Smith to AGM. No idea what the plan is but I’m afraid if this was going to happen we would have heard about it by now 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

3 minutes ago, Lovi said:

They could still elevate Smith to AGM. No idea what the plan is but I’m afraid if this was going to happen we would have heard about it by now 

No chance in the world, they just one upped him with Hurney's title and interviewed a guy below him for GM, while he didn't get an interview himself.  The writing is on the wall.  Hopefully, they aren't holding out to make him quit vs. just letting him go.  All signs point to something personal here, what - who knows.

Edited January 22, 2021 by BatteredFanSyndrome

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

[Thinking Skins]

If Galdi is right in that Ron was calling Hurney to assist with things like the waiver wire and dealing with FO things, then it means that there was something that happened early. Like, why wasn't Kyle doing this? Was he not willing, not able, doing it badly? 

So now I have to either make a choice and listen to Russell or just catch it on here later tonight. 

[Burgundy Yoda]

The leaks about Kyle Smith not getting along with staff is irritating as hell. The current structure will fail once we start having terrible drafts. If they let their top talent evaluator walk out the door, the team is truly lost and there's no escaping Dan regardless of who is in charge. 

 

Next, we will probably get some bits of information to slowly chip away at Kyle Smith's character because people in the organization know that's the only way they'll be able to justify the team not keeping him on staff. 

 

Mayhew is simply far too inconsistent of a talent evaluator, I really hope that his job will not involve college scouting. 

[JoggingGod]

5 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

No chance in the world, they just one upped him with Hurney's title and interviewed a guy below him for GM, while he didn't get an interview himself.  The writing is on the wall.  Hopefully, they aren't holding out to make him quit vs. just letting him go.  All signs point to something personal here, what - who knows.

Hurney isn’t in charge of personnel so they don’t have the same role 

[86 Snyder]

2 minutes ago, Thinking Skins said:

If Galdi is right in that Ron was calling Hurney to assist with things like the waiver wire and dealing with FO things, then it means that there was something that happened early. Like, why wasn't Kyle doing this? Was he not willing, not able, doing it badly? 

So now I have to either make a choice and listen to Russell or just catch it on here later tonight. 

 

 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

Just now, JoggingGod said:

Hurney isn’t in charge of personnel so they don’t have the same role 

He got Smith's title with an 'Executive' in the front.

[JoggingGod]

1 minute ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

He got Smith's title with an 'Executive' in the front.

With different duties. FO titles aren’t usually consistent

[veteranskinsfan]

On 1/21/2021 at 10:35 AM, RedskininATL said:

12 GM's missed on taking Aaron Donald in that draft.   Hard to fault a guy on missing on a player 6 years later.  How many teams missed on picking Tom Brady for 6 rounds.   I'm not saying Mayhew's got the golden touch either but I don't rely on one missed player as the standard for determining whether or not he's good

Go back and look at what he did for his draft picks for his entire tenure for the Lions and look at Lions won lost record why he was there.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

Just now, JoggingGod said:

With different duties. FO titles aren’t usually consistent

Call it whatever you want, I think it's fairly obvious that Kyle Smith is a goner - it's just about when.  Not sure how much more it needs spelled out - a guy reporting to Kyle interviewed for GM, a job Kyle was not interviewed for.  Ron brought in 2 people to bypass Kyle, one of which was given the same job title with 'Executive' in the front.  There has been zero word about the status of Kyle Smith, only words about the new guys.  Kyle Smith's exit is in neon lights.

[Thinking Skins]

5 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

The leaks about Kyle Smith not getting along with staff is irritating as hell. The current structure will fail once we start having terrible drafts. If they let their top talent evaluator walk out the door, the team is truly lost and there's no escaping Dan regardless of who is in charge. 

 

Next, we will probably get some bits of information to slowly chip away at Kyle Smith's character because people in the organization know that's the only way they'll be able to justify the team not keeping him on staff. 

 

Mayhew is simply far too inconsistent of a talent evaluator, I really hope that his job will not involve college scouting. 

 

I think that's only halfway true. We'll see. Maybe Ron wasn't telling the truth but how involved was Kyle in personnel. Sure he set the draft boards but all the FA successes came from the coaches. And I'm assuming Rogers did the contract. I don't know his character but we know his dad's character and we know he (Kyle) is not the most charasmatic person so its not far fetched. The story about Dan is one side because it shows him disagreeing, but is that how he handled disagreements with Ron/coaches/scouts? 

 

I haven't formed an opionion on Mayhew other than liking him as a player and knowing a classmate of his at Georgetown and following his career since then. I thought he did a good job taking a 0-16 team to the playoffs twice but he didn't have the tenure of success and was fired so we have to question how good is he. 

2 minutes ago, veteranskinsfan said:

Go back and look at what he did for his draft picks for his entire tenure for the Lions and look at Lions won lost record why he was there.

Not defending Martin but do we know who had the final say in Detroit? Do we know how the draft boards were set? We heard the story about Gruden wanting Quinn and jumping up and down for us to pick him as early as the 4th but we were able to get him in the 7th. How much did Martin have to deal with this type of stuff from coaches? Brian Mitchell said that John Lynch wanted Martin to come out there and help him do scouting. Thats news to me and its a positive for us. I don't want to annoint him but I also don't want to assassinate him on his first day. Let the results speak for themselves. 

[88Comrade2000]

2 hours ago, Florgon79 said:

I went to a riverboat casino in Evansville, Indiana. It never leaves the dock...just sits there filled with sad people and cigarette smoke.

I think I went to that.  Before I left Columbus,  went there one night. Stayed in a ****ty motel, since all the good ones were full.

 

 

You know if Dan skates and remains the owner , he could undo a lot of the changes. 

[joeken24]

Kyle and Hurney have different titles. This could be another one of those interesting news reports Ron spoke of. Fact is, the news guys were pretty sure about Hurney being the GM. Wrong. 

https://www.washingtonfootball.com/team/front-office-roster/

Edited January 22, 2021 by joeken24
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[RedskininATL]

37 minutes ago, veteranskinsfan said:

Go back and look at what he did for his draft picks for his entire tenure for the Lions and look at Lions won lost record why he was there.

2009 AND 2013 Produced at least 4 or 5 quality long term starters .    Outside of those years it was pretty bleak yes.   Some bad picks and questionable character picks too.   Ebron over Donald and OBJ (though they had CJ and Golden Tate on roster already) can be brought up too.     Hopefully he's learned something from that run with Detroit, being with some better organizations and will be better at the role with us.    It can't be any worse than what we've had (up until very recently)

[drowland]

13 minutes ago, joeken24 said:

Kyle and Hurney have different titles. This could be another one of those interesting news reports Ron spoke of. Fact is, the news guys were pretty sure about Hurney being the GM. Wrong. 

https://www.washingtonfootball.com/team/front-office-roster/

 

I thought the news guys were calling for some combination of Hurney and Mayhew weeks ago.  Seems they were pretty close to being right to me.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

30 minutes ago, drowland said:

 

I thought the news guys were calling for some combination of Hurney and Mayhew weeks ago.  Seems they were pretty close to being right to me.

Nevermind him on the particulars, this guy believes all the hub bub about the team/Dan/etc. is BS.  You are correct though, they called Mayhew/Hurney in some capacity a while ago.

[TK]

Bye Kyle

[RWJ]

5 minutes ago, TK said:

Bye Kyle

Yep, when they interviewed Stokes that was telling.  Big blow, IMO to the WFT.  RRs dog and pony show.