BBC: China pneumonia outbreak: COVID-19 Global Pandemic

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[spjunkies]

 

[Dan T.]

Read this today, to conceptualize just how tiny a virus is...

 

If a single human cell was the size of a baseball stadium, a virus would be the size of the baseball.

 

 

https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-10/scale-slider-shows-relative-sizes-virus-carbon-atom-coffee-bean/

[visionary]

 

[Mr. Sinister]

Yikes

[PCS]

Looking at numbers from the past few days,this thing seems to be exploding or getting ready to around the country. Frightening to see. Here in Nevada,we're about to break the 1000 mark. It's really ramped up the past week. Yikes is right. 

[visionary]

 

[visionary]

 

[SkinInsite]

Why don't these mother****ers go volunteer at their local hospital to see what our health providers are dealing with. 

 

You don't need a medical degree to greet visitors, run groups, provide support to patients, wash and change linens, clean rooms.

 

Give the people working there a chance to go home and see their families.

 

 

[visionary]

 

[NickyJ]

14 minutes ago, SkinInsite said:

Why don't these mother****ers go volunteer at their local hospital to see what our health providers are dealing with. 

 

You don't need a medical degree to greet visitors, run groups, provide support to patients, wash and change linens, clean rooms.

 

Give the people working there a chance to go home and see their families.

 

 

At a time when the hospitals are about to be flooded with infectious patients, can the hospitals really afford to let lunatics walk around with assigning guards to them?

[Bacon]

Pray and send out good vibes for John Prine. Absolute legend in the singer/songwriter and country world and he was intubated for COVID-19. Not looking good right now. 😞

[visionary]

 

[spjunkies]

I recommend watching the entire video, but 8:00 in offers valuable information.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by spjunkies

[spjunkies]

 

[China]

Mystery In Wuhan: Recovered Coronavirus Patients Test Negative ... Then Positive

 

A spate of mysterious second-time infections is calling into question the accuracy of COVID-19 diagnostic tools even as China prepares to lift quarantine measures to allow residents to leave the epicenter of its outbreak next month. It's also raising concerns of a possible second wave of cases.

 

From March 18-22, the Chinese city of Wuhan reported no new cases of the virus through domestic transmission — that is, infection passed on from one person to another. The achievement was seen as a turning point in efforts to contain the virus, which has infected more than 80,000 people in China. Wuhan was particularly hard-hit, with more than half of all confirmed cases in the country.

 

But some Wuhan residents who had tested positive earlier and then recovered from the disease are testing positive for the virus a second time. Based on data from several quarantine facilities in the city, which house patients for further observation after their discharge from hospitals, about 5%-10% of patients pronounced "recovered" have tested positive again.

 

Some of those who retested positive appear to be asymptomatic carriers — those who carry the virus and are possibly infectious but do not exhibit any of the illness's associated symptoms — suggesting that the outbreak in Wuhan is not close to being over.

 

Under its newest COVID-19 prevention guidelines, China does not include in its overall daily count for total and for new cases those who retest positive after being released from medical care. China also does not include asymptomatic cases in case counts.

 

"I have no idea why the authorities choose not to count [asymptomatic] cases in the official case count. I am baffled," said one of the Wuhan doctors who had a second positive test after recovering.

 

A researcher at China's health commission told reporters Tuesday that asymptomatic carriers "would not cause the spread" of the virus. Zunyou Wu, the researcher, explained this was because the authorities were isolating people who had close contact with confirmed patients. Wu did not explain how they would identify asymptomatic carriers who had no close contact with confirmed patients.

 

Research suggests that the spread can be caused by asymptomatic carriers. Studies of patients from Wuhan and other Chinese cities who were diagnosed early in the outbreak suggest that asymptomatic carriers of the virus can infect those they have close contact with, such as family members.

 

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[China]

Is China hiding COVID-19 death toll? 21 million cell phones disappeared, why?

 

Since the outbreak of Novel Coronavirus which emerged in China's Wuhan, the pandemic has killed 15,374 people globally and infected 351,731 individuals. Recently the death toll in Italy surpassed the initial epicentre of the outbreak in China, where officially 3,153 people have died due to the COVID-19.

 

But recently Beijing authorities announced on March 19 that more than 21 million cell phone accounts were cancelled while in past three months 840,000 landlines were closed in China, which gives an idea that probably these closed numbers belonged to the people who died due to the disease.

 

Tang Jingyuan, a US-based China Affairs commentator told The Epoch Times on March 21:

 

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"The digitization level is very high in China. People can't survive without a cell phone. Dealing with the government for pensions and social security, buying train tickets, shopping... no matter what people want to do, they are required to use cell phones.

 

"The Chinese regime requires all Chinese use their cell phones to generate a health code. Only with a green health code are Chinese allowed to move in China now.

 

"It's impossible for a person to cancel his cell phone."

 

The Chinese authority introduced mandatory facial scans on December 1, 2019, to confirm the identity of the person who registered the phone. The people in China also have to sync their bank accounts and social security account with their cell phone as all the apps can detect the SIM card and then check with the database to make sure the number belongs to the person.

 

In China, it is mandatory to install a cell phone app and register their personal health information. The app can generate a QR code which is possible in three colours to classify a person's health condition. In this case, red means the person has an infectious disease, while yellow and green represent the possibility of infectious disease and no sign of such illness respectively.

 

Beijing claimed that the health code has helped China to prevent the spread of Coronavirus in the country where 81,496 people got infected by the COVID-19.

 

On March 19, China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) announced the numbers of cell phone users in every province in February. When these numbers are compared to the December 2019 data, it revealed that both cell phone users and landline users dropped dramatically.

 

The comparison showed that the number of cell phone users decreased from 1.600957 billion to 1.579927 billion, while landline users dropped from 190.83 million to 189.99 million.

 

It is possible that the nationwide lockdown in February was the reason behind the drop in the numbers of landline users as many companies were shut down, the quarantine scenario can't be a reason behind the drop in the cell phone users.

 

While explaining the scenario in China, Tang said,"At present, we don't know the details of the data. If only 10 percent of the cell phone accounts were closed because the users died because of the CCP virus [Novel Coronavirus], the death toll would be two million."

 

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[purbeast]

2 hours ago, visionary said:

 

Tweets like this are just not factually true.

 

What that should say is CONFIRMED cases.

 

More than 89 people had it 4 weeks ago.  They simply were not tests out there to test for it.

[China]

Confirmed Coronavirus Cases Is an ‘Almost Meaningless’ Metric

 

It doesn’t matter that the United States surpassed China this week in reported Covid-19 cases because those numbers (83,507 and 81,782 respectively as of March 26) don’t tell us how many people actually became infected in either country. Nor do they tell us how fast the disease is spreading, since only a tiny portion of the population in the United States has been tested.

 

“The numbers are almost meaningless,” says Steve Goodman, a professor of epidemiology at Stanford University. There’s a huge reservoir of people who have mild cases, and would not likely seek testing, he says. The rate of increase in positive results reflect a mixed-up combination of increased testing rates and spread of the virus.

 

We will need more complete data, smarter data and more coordinated data to communicate something meaningful about the extent of Covid-19 in the United States, how many people are likely to die, which hospitals are likely to be swamped and whether drastic changes in the way Americans live will start to slow down the spread of the virus.

 

With a population of 1.5 billion people, China’s some 80,000 cases look like a rounding error, says Nigam Shah, an assistant professor of biomedical statistics at Stanford. And India’s claim of some 754 cases probably reflects a severe lack of tests — not that the disease there is still so rare. The positive tests say little about how many people are dying or will die, since most cases are mild.

 

What should we be watching instead? One possibility is hospitalizations. That idea was put forward by statisticians Jacob Steinhardt, an assistant professor from UC Berkeley, and Steve Yadlowsky, a graduate student at Stanford who specializes in analyzing health care data. They argue that rate of increase in hospitalizations could reflect the growth of the disease without being distorted by changes in the testing rate.

 

Measuring death rates can eventually track the speed with which Covid-19 is spreading — as deaths represent a fraction of cases. But there’s a lag of some three weeks between infection and death. Hospitalizations give an intermediate point, as Steinhardt and Yadlowsky explain: They estimate that it takes between 11 and 14 days for someone to get sick enough to show up at the hospital. Rates of increase in Covid-19 patients admitted to the ICU can provide additional useful data.

 

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Edited March 30, 2020 by China

[China]

@FrFan

 

'Can my husband see his mistress?': French police receive bizarre lockdown questions

 

"Can my husband spend the weekend with his mistress?"

 

"A stranger caressed my horse, is there a risk it is contaminated [with coronavirus]?

 

These are just some of the more absurd questions put to French police since the start of the country's coronavirus confinement.

 

They came via a emergency line — accessed by dialing 17 — that police say has seen a surge in calls over the last 10 days.

 

France has been on a strict lockdown since Tuesday, 17 March, with people only allowed to leave their homes for food shopping, medical visits or exercise, if the latter is in proximity of where they live.

 

In the city of Dijon, a woman dialed 17 to make an appeal for help.

 

"After my divorce, I managed to find someone. But he lives 25 kilometers from my home. How can we do it under lockdown?" she asked the agent.

 

In Picardy, northern France, police stopped a man more than 50 kilometres from home, who told officers he "needed to buy a cassoulet [a meat and white bean casserole]".

 

Another left his house to wash the car. "Not really an emergency situation," said police.

 

"We have serious calls for information," said a policeman. "But also so-called abusive calls that border on stupidity."

 

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[mistertim]

So I've been over checking out Brietbart (and just got out of the shower that i felt I needed to take after doing so). It seems like the new far right talking point in light of the 100,000 - 200,000 figure has shifted from "More people die every year from the common flu!" to "Well, only twice as many people may die from as it as the common flu!" Watch this alternate narrative that 100,000 to 200,000 dead is actually "not bad". It's going to happen, believe it. 

 

Seriously. These people are mentally ill. 

[Destino]

Anyone that believes China’s numbers on the C19 outbreak is extremely naive. I’m not sure where the impulse to trust authoritarian regimes comes from, but it seems like a persistent problem.  It’s like people want it to be true so they just pretend it is.
 

You can’t trust the powerful, in general, but you’re a damn fool if you trust them when they’re entirely unaccountable to anyone and totally free to make up any story they like.  

[DCSaints_fan]

I don't trust anyones numbers.  Governments, whether democracies or not,  have every incentive to juke the stats in their favor.

[Wildbunny]

1 hour ago, Destino said:

Anyone that believes China’s numbers on the C19 outbreak is extremely naive. I’m not sure where the impulse to trust authoritarian regimes comes from, but it seems like a persistent problem.  It’s like people want it to be true so they just pretend it is.
 

You can’t trust the powerful, in general, but you’re a damn fool if you trust them when they’re entirely unaccountable to anyone and totally free to make up any story they like.  

I'm not either. Pretty sure they are downplaying it by a wide margin. They've got 1.5 billion inhabitants, 10 thousand deaths wouldn't make them blink in any way. If they went on to shut more than 15 million of people it's because it was way more serious than what they officially claimed.

 

I'm not trusting them either with their war machine providing tests, masks and whatsoever. Looks like what they are providing is often deficient one way or another, so they are not doing any quality control over what they are producing.

 

So, IMHO, they will have answer to give the whole world when it's all said and done, and should pay a large part of the bill to every country in this regard.

 

And I just went on to check, but North Korea as 0 confirmed case. Not buying this either.

[FrFan]

3 hours ago, China said:

@FrFan

 

 to buy a cassoulet [a meat and white bean casserole]".

 

 

Beans for social distancing

Edited March 30, 2020 by FrFan