Master Blaster Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Califan007 said: Ok, maybe I'm alone in this, but I'm not really thrilled with this...not the person, but the idea that Rivera is leaning so heavily on position coaches he's worked with before. I don't want there to be a Carolina Connection like there was a Tampa Connection. I refuse to believe the best and most qualified just happened to all have worked with Rivera before lol... I just don't want "I've worked with him before" to be the number one qualification for new hires. The criteria is they know the system. The DB’s coach was brought over from the Chargers, who run a similar Tampa 2 scheme. It’s the exact opposite of hiring Haslett, primarily a 4-3 coach, and telling him to run a 3-4. 21 minutes ago, tmandoug1 said: Pat Shurmur.......don't dislike this based on his work as an OC. Interesting. I’ve been hoping he would be the choice. Is there news on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmandoug1 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, Master Blaster said: I’ve been hoping he would be the choice. Is there news on this? Nothing other than there are rumblings of interest. Hoping for more though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, Master Blaster said: The criteria is they know the system. The DB’s coach was brought over from the Chargers, who run a similar Tampa 2 scheme. It’s the exact opposite of hiring Haslett, primarily a 4-3 coach, and telling him to run a 3-4. I’ve been hoping he would be the choice. Is there news on this? I'm guessing, though, that these same coaches didn't know the system when they were first hired by/under Rivera, yet apparently they were still able to succeed. And as you also pointed out, the DB coach is assumed to be able to "know the system" without having worked directly under Rivera. Plus since he's going to have a new OC and DC, it's not an automatic that the former Panthers coaches will know the offensive and defensive system significantly better than other coaches around the league. It comes across far more to me as Rivera knows these coaches more than these coaches know the system. My assumption has to also be that Del Rio was on board with the LB coach selection.... I prefer thinking that to thinking JDR had other coaches that he felt would be a better fit but since those coaches didn't previouisly work for Rivera they weren't considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Califan007 said: My assumption has to also be that Del Rio was on board with the LB coach selection.... I prefer thinking that to thinking JDR had other coaches that he felt would be a better fit but since those coaches didn't previouisly work for Rivera they weren't considered. Wasn't he one of the folks who came up to "interview' for jobs over the last couple of days? My guess, Ron liked him, he came up to visit with Jack. I agree, I doubt very much Ron is going to stick Jack with coaches he doesn't like/want/trust. And I'm sure that was discussed with Ron called Jack to convince him to take the job here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Califan007 said: Ok, maybe I'm alone in this, but I'm not really thrilled with this...not the person, but the idea that Rivera is leaning so heavily on position coaches he's worked with before. I don't want there to be a Carolina Connection like there was a Tampa Connection. I refuse to believe the best and most qualified just happened to all have worked with Rivera before lol... I just don't want "I've worked with him before" to be the number one qualification for new hires. I mean, you're 100% right. But...there's a practicality to all of this. It seems most (if not all?) NFL coaches operate this way. So not sure any hire would be that different. There's a healthy dose of cronyism in the NFL and Rivera has enough experience that he probably has more connections than most. Not to mention, as @Voice_of_Reason pointed out, sometimes scheme is a concern. You're not likely to hire a 3-4 coordinator if you want to run a 4-3. Even if the 3-4 coordinator is "better". Availability is also huge factor. A fair number of NFL coaches are under contract or simply might not be looking to move to another city if they have a decent job. Rivera is also in a somewhat unusual situation of being fired and then getting immediately rehired. It does happen (see Gase, Adam). But there's usually a gap between jobs. In this case, Rivera's whole staff seems available and if Rivera thought these were the best guys he could put together in Carolina in 2019, not much will likely have changed in the last year to convince him they aren't he best guys for 2020. I think it just is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 16 hours ago, goskins10 said: Ok fair enough. I had the change backwards. Still a jerk move to block people from interviewing. It doesn't happen a ton, but it happens more than most people think. I know the Texans blocked Mike Vrabel a few times for coordinator positions. Someone mentioned the Steelers blocking Grimm. So it does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 When ron rivera is your head coach and jack del rio is your defensive coordinator you can bring in pee wee herman as your linebackers coach and it won't make any difference. I promise the linebackers will be well coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Yeah, Chris Harris played on the Bears defense that was coached by Ron when he was the defensive coordinator. Again, Ron's "got to know you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I did this in another thread, thought it would save people the clicks from having to google and wiki names of Ron's staffs over the years in Carolina. As names are announced or names fished for, click, most names hyperlink to wiki where you can read basic bio information. 2011 Carolina Panthers staff Front Office Owner – Jerry Richardson President – Danny Morrison General Manager – Marty Hurney Director of Pro Scouting – Mark Koncz Director of College Scouting – Don Gregory Director of Team Administration – Rob Rogers Head Coaches Head Coach – Ron Rivera Offensive Coaches Offensive Coordinator – Rob Chudzinski Quarterbacks – Mike Shula Running Backs – John Settle Wide Receivers – Fred Graves Tight Ends – Pete Hoener Offensive Line – John Matsko Assistant Offensive Line – Ray Brown Offensive Quality Control – Scott Turner Offensive Consultant – Ricky Proehl Defensive Coaches Defensive Coordinator – Sean McDermott Defensive Line – Eric Washington Linebackers – Warren Belin Defensive Backs – Ron Meeks Defensive Quality Control/Assistant Defensive Line – Sam Mills III Special Teams Coaches Special Teams Coordinator – Brian Murphy Strength and Conditioning Strength and Conditioning – Joe Kenn Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Adam Feit 2012 Carolina Panthers staff Front office Owner/Founder – Jerry Richardson President – Danny Morrison General Manager – Vacant Director of Pro Scouting – Mark Koncz Director of College Scouting – Don Gregory Director of Team Administration – Rob Rogers Head coaches Head Coach – Ron Rivera Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Rob Chudzinski Quarterbacks – Mike Shula Running Backs – John Settle Wide Receivers – Fred Graves Tight Ends – Pete Hoener Offensive Line – John Matsko Assistant Offensive Line – Ray Brown Offensive Quality Control – Scott Turner Offensive Consultant – Ricky Proehl Defensive coaches Defensive Coordinator – Sean McDermott Defensive Line – Eric Washington Linebackers – Warren Belin Defensive Backs (Secondary)/Passing Defense Coordinator – Steven Wilks Defensive Assistant – Bobby Babich Defensive Quality Control/Assistant Defensive Line – Sam Mills III Special teams coaches Special Teams Coordinator – Brian Murphy Assistant Special Teams – Richard Rodgers Strength and conditioning Strength and Conditioning – Joe Kenn Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Adam Feit 2013 Carolina Panthers staff Front office Owner/Founder – Jerry Richardson President – Danny Morrison General Manager – Dave Gettleman Director of Pro Scouting – Mark Koncz Director of College Scouting – Don Gregory Head coaches Head Coach – Ron Rivera Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Mike Shula Quarterbacks – Ken Dorsey Running Backs – Jim Skipper Wide Receivers – Ricky Proehl Assistant Wide Receivers – Lance Taylor Tight Ends – Pete Hoener Offensive Line – John Matsko Assistant Offensive Line – Ray Brown Defensive coaches Defensive Coordinator – Sean McDermott Defensive Line – Eric Washington Assistant Defensive Line – Sam Mills III Linebackers – Al Holcomb Secondary/Passing Defense Coordinator – Steven Wilks Special teams coaches Special Teams Coordinator – Richard Rodgers Assistant Special Teams – Bruce DeHaven Strength and conditioning Strength and Conditioning – Joe Kenn Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Jason Benguche 2014 Carolina Panthers staff Front office Owner/Founder – Jerry Richardson President – Danny Morrison General Manager – Dave Gettleman Director of Football Operations – Brandon Beane Director of Pro Scouting – Mark Koncz Director of College Scouting – Don Gregory Head coaches Head Coach – Ron Rivera Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Mike Shula Quarterbacks – Ken Dorsey Running Backs – Jim Skipper Wide Receivers – Ricky Proehl Assistant Wide Receivers – Lance Taylor Tight Ends – Pete Hoener Offensive Line – John Matsko Assistant Offensive Line – Ray Brown Senior Offensive Assistant – John Ramsdell Defensive coaches Defensive Coordinator – Sean McDermott Defensive Line – Eric Washington Assistant Defensive Line – Sam Mills III Linebackers – Al Holcomb Secondary/Passing Defense Coordinator – Steven Wilks Defensive Backs/Defensive Assistant – Curtis Fuller Special teams coaches Special Teams Coordinator – Richard Rodgers Assistant Special Teams – Bruce DeHaven Strength and conditioning Strength and Conditioning – Joe Kenn Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Jason Benguche 2015 Carolina Panthers staff Front office Owner/Founder – Jerry Richardson President – Danny Morrison General Manager – Dave Gettleman Assistant General Manager – Brandon Beane Director of Pro Scouting – Mark Koncz Director of College Scouting – Don Gregory Head coaches Head Coach – Ron Rivera Assistant Head Coach/Secondary – Steve Wilks Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Mike Shula Quarterbacks – Ken Dorsey Running Backs – Jim Skipper Wide Receivers – Ricky Proehl Assistant Wide Receivers – Cam Turner Tight Ends – Pete Hoener Offensive Line – John Matsko Assistant Offensive Line – Ray Brown Senior Offensive Assistant – John Ramsdell Defensive coaches Defensive Coordinator – Sean McDermott Defensive Line – Eric Washington Assistant Defensive Line – Sam Mills III Linebackers – Al Holcomb Assistant Defensive Backs – Richard Rodgers Special teams coaches Special Teams Coordinator – Bruce DeHaven Assistant Special Teams – Russ Purnell Assistant Special Teams/Nickelbacks – Curtis Fuller Strength and conditioning Strength and Conditioning – Joe Kenn Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Jason Benguche 2016 Carolina Panthers staff Front office Owner/Founder – Jerry Richardson President – Danny Morrison General Manager – Dave Gettleman Assistant General Manager – Brandon Beane Director of Player Personnel – Don Gregory Director of Team Administration – Rob Rogers Director of Pro Scouting – Mark Koncz Assistant Director of College Scouting – Jeff Morrow National Scout – Mike Szabo Head coaches Head Coach – Ron Rivera Assistant Head Coach/Secondary – Steve Wilks Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Mike Shula Running Game Coordinator – John Matsko Quarterbacks – Ken Dorsey Running Backs – Jim Skipper Wide Receivers – Ricky Proehl Assistant Wide Receivers – Cam Turner Tight Ends – Pete Hoener Offensive Line – Ray Brown Defensive coaches Defensive Coordinator – Sean McDermott Defensive Line – Eric Washington Assistant Defensive Line – Sam Mills III Linebackers – Al Holcomb Assistant Defensive Backs/Safeties – Richard Rodgers Assistant Defensive Backs/Nickels – Curtis Fuller Special teams coaches Special Teams Coordinator – Bruce DeHaven Assistant Special Teams – Thomas McGaughey Strength and conditioning Strength and Conditioning – Joe Kenn Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Jason Benguche 2017 Carolina Panthers staff Front office Owner – Jerry Richardson general manager – Marty Hurney (Interim) Senior Executive Scout – Don Gregory Director of Player Personnel – Mark Koncz Director of Team Administration – Rob Rogers Director of Pro Scouting – Matt Allen Director of College Scouting – Jeff Morrow National Scout – Mike Szabo Head coaches Head Coach – Ron Rivera Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Mike Shula Running Game Coordinator – John Matsko Quarterbacks – Ken Dorsey Assistant Quarterbacks – Cameron Turner Running Backs – Jim Skipper Wide Receivers – Lance Taylor Assistant Wide Receivers – Jerricho Cotchery Tight Ends – Pete Hoener Offensive Line – Ray Brown Defensive coaches Defensive Coordinator – Steve Wilks Defensive Line – Eric Washington Assistant Defensive Line – Sam Mills III Linebackers – Al Holcomb Secondary – Curtis Fuller Defensive Backs/Nickels – Jeff Imamura Assistant Defensive Backs/Safeties – Richard Rodgers Special teams coaches Special Teams Coordinator – Thomas McGaughey Assistant Special Teams – Chase Blackburn Strength and conditioning Strength and Conditioning – Joe Kenn 2018 Carolina Panthers staff Front office Owner – David Tepper President – Tom Glick General manager – Marty Hurney Director of football operations – Bryan Porter Director of team administration – Rob Rogers Director of pro scouting – Matt Allen Senior Director of college scouting – Jeff Morrow Regional Director of College Scouting – Mike Szabo Regional Director of College Scouting – Eric Stokes Head coaches Head coach – Ron Rivera Offensive coaches Offensive coordinator – Norv Turner Run game coordinator – John Matsko Quarterbacks – Scott Turner Running backs – Jim Skipper Wide receivers – Lance Taylor Assistant wide receivers – Jerricho Cotchery Tight ends – Pete Hoener Assistant offensive line – Travelle Wharton Offensive quality control – Drew Terrell Defensive coaches Defensive coordinator – Eric Washington Defensive line – Sam Mills III Linebackers – Steve Russ Defensive backs – Richard Rodgers Defensive Quality Control – Vincent Rivera Special teams coaches Special teams coordinator – Chase Blackburn Assistant special teams – Heath Farwell Strength and conditioning Strength and conditioning – Joe Kenn Assistant strength and conditioning – Jason Benguche 2019 Carolina Panthers staff Front office Owner – David Tepper President – Tom Glick General manager – Marty Hurney Director of football operations – Bryan Porter Director of football administration – Rob Rogers Director of pro personnel – Matt Allen Senior director of college scouting – Jeff Morrow Regional Director of College Scouting – Mike Szabo Regional Director of College Scouting – Eric Stokes Head coaches Interim Head coach/Secondary – Perry Fewell OC / Special Assistant to Head Coach – Norv Turner Offensive coaches Offensive coordinator/Quarterbacks – Scott Turner Running game coordinator – John Matsko Running backs – Jake Peetz Wide receivers – Jim Hostler Assistant wide receivers – Jerricho Cotchery Tight ends – Pete Hoener Assistant offensive line – Travelle Wharton Offensive quality control – Drew Terrell Defensive coaches Defensive coordinator – Eric Washington Defensive line – Sam Mills III Linebackers – Steve Russ Assistant linebackers - Everette Brown Safeties – Richard Rodgers Defensive Quality Control – Vincent Rivera Special teams coaches Special teams coordinator – Chase Blackburn Assistant special teams – Ben Jacobs Strength and conditioning Strength and conditioning – Joe Kenn Assistant strength and conditioning – Jason Benguche Look at that 'Ol Ray Brown was a longtime o-line coach with Ron. 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NoCalMike Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The more I think about the issue the more I believe that coaches do matter, but it always ultimately comes down to the roster of players. I think Ron Rivera is a great hire as coach, (Del Rio too!!) for the situation this franchise is in. A lot of young players that need direction and an identity. I believe the new coaching staff will definitely instill those kinds of things. Does it mean they are bound for a contender status due to these coaches? That is where I pump the breaks. Outside of Belichick. I am not sure which coaches in the modern era you can make a clear case have had that kind of impact consistently on the teams. You can take a guy like Andy Reid who wins a ton, has had many teams that could contend, but has never sealed the deal. Then Doug Pederson comes along and the Eagles win their first superbowl with a back up QB, who has failed every time he was previously named a starter, that caught fire at the right time and now people consider Pederson a genius. I think so many factors going into winning a superbowl that it shows how legendary Belichick is that the Patriots manage to do it so much, even with all the turnover of personnel in the modern NFL. I think Rivera & Del Rio will take this young roster and set them on the right course, make them better, even get them to be fighting for the playoffs. Beyond that, though? I still think it is going to be how effectively the front office builds the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 The way I imagine it works is that a coach has about a grade level effect. That is a good coach can push a C team to a B and a bad coach can push a C team to a D. Likewise, A great coach is probably worth a grade and a half (think Gibbs and the scrubs beating the Cowboys and their probowl laden team) while a terrible coach can bush a good team into lousy. Think Chip Kelly's Eagles or Jeff Fisher's Rams. I think that's pretty much what we saw with Manusky. I think we had the talent on D to be a B level team and he was so awful he coached us down to a D/F. For what it's worth, I think Gruden with the exception of 2019, probably was the kind of coach who either raised a team half a letter grade or got them to play at their talent level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The NFL is in a major transition. Brady, Brees, Eli and Rivers are on the way out. 7 of the 8 remaining teams in the playoffs were not among the final 8 last year except the Chiefs. I think Ron can have a 49ers this year type of turnaround. Everything is in flux. We definitely have an opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 23 hours ago, skinzplay said: But the PR firm of O'Connell & Cooley have the shallow local media believing (and repeating) that O'Connell has so many opportunities. The Chargers need an OC (no call to the Skins). The Bears need an OC (no call to the Skins). The Dolphins fired their OC, too, but reached in the attic and dusted off Chan Gailey instead of calling Ashburn about O'Connell. Shocker, especially since he's so brilliant and we're being told over and over that he has so many options. He does not. I've seen rumors KOC would be on McDaniels radar as an OC if he takes a HC job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, drowland said: I've seen rumors KOC would be on McDaniels radar as an OC if he takes a HC job. But what would his role be? If he held the title of OC, he wouldn't truly be the OC because it's McDaniels' offense and McDaniels will definitely be calling the plays. A job's a job, so I'm not knocking it.........my jibes are just playful mocking of just how high a pedestal people seem to hold O'Connell when he really hasn't accomplished anything to merit it. Nothing against the young man. In fact, if Rivera decides to keep him, I'm good. His team, his consequences. And if he's the OC for the Skins, then you'd better damn well believe I want him to be successful. The Costanza-Tony thing is just a little outta hand, it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poindexter Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, drowland said: I've seen rumors KOC would be on McDaniels radar as an OC if he takes a HC job. I wish the league would give compensatory picks for coaches leaving the staff.....we would have 3 or 4 first rounders. But anyways, I would let KOS walk. He may turn out to be a stud but Ron is going to be here for a long time and why risk holding on to an unproven and unexperienced coach when you don't have to. If KOS turns out to be a dud then you have to fire him and find a more experienced coach anyways. Why waste the time; Ron seems like he would like to get it right the first time around. Ron has sooooo many connections its just not worth the risk to gamble. Offer KOS the QB job and if he's smart he will stay and learn how a real coach puts a team together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Poindexter said: I wish the league would give compensatory picks for coaches leaving the staff.....we would have 3 or 4 first rounders. But anyways, I would let KOS walk. He may turn out to be a stud but Ron is going to be here for a long time and why risk holding on to an unproven and unexperienced coach when you don't have to. If KOS turns out to be a dud then you have to fire him and find a more experienced coach anyways. Why waste the time; Ron seems like he would like to get it right the first time around. Ron has sooooo many connections its just not worth the risk to gamble. Offer KOS the QB job and if he's smart he will stay and learn how a real coach puts a team together. You raise some interesting points here, Poindexter. People seem to want to elevate O'Connell to rockstar OC status because, in their eyes, he has been responsible for the progression seen in Haskins. If that's the case, then shouldn't Rattay be posing for photos with his Nobel Prize for Quarterback Coaching? Haven't heard a whisper about him. I guess he doesn't pal around with Cooley. I think that after the criticism from his antics at the end of the Detroit game, Haskins started to get more serious about what he needed to do. My guess is that when he's focused, the kid has the potential to be really good. Rivera isn't going to play around with him and give him a lot of leniency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 45 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: The NFL is in a major transition. Brady, Brees, Eli and Rivers are on the way out. 7 of the 8 remaining teams in the playoffs were not among the final 8 last year except the Chiefs. I think Ron can have a 49ers this year type of turnaround. Everything is in flux. We definitely have an opportunity. If the players buy in, which is definitely possible given Rivera's credibility and track record, and if Haskins put in the work and continue on the progression that he was having, then this team can make some strides. It will take time, but the opportunities are there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 @Burgold Not sure if this has already been posted yet. Your OP has a question mark in front of his name. This was on WP website. "The Washington Redskins reached an agreement to hire Ryan Vermillion, formerly of the Carolina Panthers, as their head athletic trainer, and they intend to use the overhaul of their training staff as a key element of Coach Ron Rivera’s attempt to get star left tackle Trent Williams to return to the team, according to a person familiar with the situation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 29 minutes ago, Poindexter said: I wish the league would give compensatory picks for coaches leaving the staff.....we would have 3 or 4 first rounders. But anyways, I would let KOS walk. He may turn out to be a stud but Ron is going to be here for a long time and why risk holding on to an unproven and unexperienced coach when you don't have to. If KOS turns out to be a dud then you have to fire him and find a more experienced coach anyways. Why waste the time; Ron seems like he would like to get it right the first time around. Ron has sooooo many connections its just not worth the risk to gamble. Offer KOS the QB job and if he's smart he will stay and learn how a real coach puts a team together. I would too. And I'd be interested in a Shurmur since he ain't likely getting another HC gig and the Skins could have some continuity with their coordinators. Like how Eli had Kevin Gilbride for most of his career. If KOC is successful he'll be gone quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Craig Hoffman on 106.7 Junkies this morning said he's pretty sure KOC is #1 OC, Pat Shurmur who they have interviewed is #2 and Scott Turner #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, HigSkin said: , Pat Shurmur who that have interviewed Going under the assumption that you meant to say "they",Where is this reported? I thought at this point we had interest and they didn't know what shurmur wanted yet? This was from an article yesterday. An NBC Sports Washington report said the NFC East rival Redskins have internally discussed Shurmur in case new coach Ron Rivera wants to replace coordinator Kevin O’Connell. An ESPN report said there has not been an interview scheduled and none is imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, redskinss said: Going under the assumption that you meant to say "they". Where is this reported? I thought at this point we had interest and they didn't know what shurmur wanted yet? Oh yea, "they" and yes, Hoffman said they did interview Shurmur. That was a surprise to me because all reports were to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, HigSkin said: Oh yea, "they" and yes, Hoffman said they did interview Shurmur. That was a surprise to me because all reports were to the contrary. Yeah, I cant find one shred of evidence that we interviewed shurmur. I'd be happy if it was true. How credible is Hoffman? This seems like something that'd show up several times on a pat shurmur Google search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, redskinss said: Yeah, I cant find one shred of evidence that we interviewed shurmur. I'd be happy if it was true. How credible is Hoffman? This seems like something that'd show up several times on a pat shurmur Google search. Hoffman is one of the best, he usually doesn't put BS out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I guess it's officially official now...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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