JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Holy smokes. Becton at #11? I was wondering when the off-season mocks would catch up to the hype. Dude is mostly in the 3rd round range ... first i have seen him in the 1st, let alone Top 15. SKINS fans can probably stop drooling over the potential of a Young-Becton combo with the 1st and 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Holy smokes. Becton at #11? I was wondering when the off-season mocks would catch up to the hype. Dude is mostly in the 3rd round range ... first i have seen him in the 1st, let alone Top 15. SKINS fans can probably stop drooling over the potential of a Young-Becton combo with the 1st and 3rd. Becton seems a likely candidate to obliterate the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, kingdaddy said: Apologize if this was already mentioned: The Bears are the last team to move up from pick 3 to pick 2 in the draft when they traded up with SF to draft QB Mitch Trubisky. They gave up picks 3, 67, 111 and a 2018 3rd rounder to move up 1 spot. That's a 1st, two 3rds and a 4th to move up and pick Trubisky. Given this information, I have to believe Tua is gonna be more highly coveted than Trubisky was.....I'm betting Gruden makes us a sick offer to have Tua when he moves into his new stadium in Vegas. One trade down is rare. Two trade-downs is just plain unrealistic. Not because I don't think it could happen, but just because it seems the stars have to align for these things to transpire. I would imagine we would field calls and have multiple trade-down strategies. But I think for it to work out for 2 trade-downs and stay in the top 5 ... just not sure I see it. There are a couple scenarios that I envision that COULD happen. Scenario 1: Someone trades up to #3 and we get a call to lock in #2 (5%) - I presented this earlier on. The most likely IMO is Miami. Move from #5 to #3 with assurances that they can secure #2. But I could also see a team like Oakland ... give #12, #19 and a 3rd rounder to Detroit ... then offer us a 3rd and a 2021 pick to move to #2 and secure Tua. - Miami giving Detroit #5 and #26 to move up to #3 ... then giving us #37 to move up to #2 ... - Both scenarios allow us to take Chase at #3 while adding draft capital - Chances: Unlikely, but not impossible Scenario 2: We trade back and give up on Chase (15%) - This would require our front office to take the draft capital over Chase approach. This is a deep, talented draft in the Top 5-10 ... so I think the scenarios would require us to stay in the Top 5 if not Top 8 - I don't think we could see value in trading with Jacksonville or Carolina ... we would only get their pick + 2 and 3 this year and maybe future 1's ... but - Miami is where the play is IMO. You fall back to #5. I think you require at least #5 + #18 and #37 and maybe even future 1 or 2 ... depends on how much they want Tua and how much you demand to not draft Chase. - Draft Simmons or Okudah at #5 and have picks at #18 and #37 to add on top of your own picks in 3/4/4/5/7/7 + any future picks Scenario #3: Draft Chase Young (80%) - By far the most likely scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 @volsmetyou have a differing take than others! That is not allowed here, sir. I don't care how well reasoned or nuanced it is. Please take that somewhere else. On a side note: Tua is absolutely a better prospect than Burrow. And that's crazy to think about. But that injury is looming large. I know you don't think so, but its tough to look beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 If the bengals select Burrow I don't think anybody will call. Rivera has a history of selecting defensive players in the first and Young will be too attractive. By the way when was last time we found a trade down partner in the 1st ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, FrFan said: If the bengals select Burrow I don't think anybody will call, by the way when was last time we found a trade down partner in the 1st ? Well, the higher you pick the more likely you are to get a call. Especially when the one pick above you is a lock. #2 pick has full control on getting anyone not named Burrow, so the calls will be there. Now, whether the offers are respectable or not may be a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, FrFan said: If the bengals select Burrow I don't think anybody will call. Rivera has a history of selecting defensive players in the first and Young will be too attractive. By the way when was last time we found a trade down partner in the 1st ? A partner? Annually — but an agreement, Doctson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, volsmet said: A partner? Annually — but an agreement, Doctson. Thanks I forgot we traded down one spot for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Volsmet, I remain of the opinion that we should take Tua. I will however be satisfied with Chase. Sucks about Becton. I'm hopeful that we are poised to jump on a guy at the top of the 3rd that can come in early and earn some playing time in the secondary or at OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 What could have been... this defense badly needs a FS with even half of Minkah's aggressiveness and instincts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, FrFan said: Thanks I forgot we traded down one spot for him The Saints offered us two #1s to move up & draft Davenport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just because he’s a pleasure to watch 🧐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, volsmet said: Just because he’s a pleasure to watch 🧐 That's the main player I hope the Cowboys don't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, volsmet said: The Saints offered us two #1s to move up & draft Davenport. They did? Didn't that trade go through with Green Bay? Did we turn down a similar trade that year to take Payne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 East-West meetings http://www.walterfootball.com/eastwest2020interviews1.php Washington Redskins - Ferris State defensive end Austin Edwards, Central Florida running back Adrian Killins, N.C. State defensive end James Smith-Williams, Oklahoma cornerback Parnell Motley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: They did? Didn't that trade go through with Green Bay? Did we turn down a similar trade that year to take Payne? Yeah, I believe they offered 2 #1s and something late in the 2019 draft but we took Payne. 1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said: East-West meetings http://www.walterfootball.com/eastwest2020interviews1.php Washington Redskins - Ferris State defensive end Austin Edwards, Central Florida running back Adrian Killins, N.C. State defensive end James Smith-Williams, Oklahoma cornerback Parnell Motley The best time of year has finally arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShredSkins Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Please no OU secondary players. Especially Motley. - OU fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HTTRDynasty Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, ShredSkins said: Please no OU secondary players. Especially Motley. - OU fan I would go ahead and cross the whole conference off the list for DB. Maybe a safety from Texas is as far as I'd venture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: Wow. On 10/30/2019 at 3:17 PM, volsmet said: At least a 50% chance Wirfs returns, he loves college, I’d be surprised if he declared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaK9Trainer Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Anyone know where Joe Reed, WR from Virginia is projected to go in the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I’m not sure whether to celebrate if Wirfs returns to school. On one hand, If he stays in school he might be there next year for us. On the other, if he stays in the draft this year, he might push another tackle down to us at the top of the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said: I’m not sure whether to celebrate if Wirfs returns to school. On one hand, If he stays in school he might be there next year for us. On the other, if he stays in the draft this year, he might push another tackle down to us at the top of the 3rd. Takes away a trade down target. Worse for us. I think the general rule of thumb is that players leaving early is good for the NFL teams because it can depress their draft value and make them bargain talents. But it's often worse for the player to do so. You have to balance a depressed drafts stock against the immediate financial needs of your family and the risk of injury I suppose. It's a tough decision for most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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