HTTRDynasty Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Bengals would definitely take Lawrence over Burrow if he was eligible for the draft this year. This kid is gonna be a great one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Lawrence never gave Young a chance tonight. He ran away from him and threw everything quick. Great game plan from Clemson. Young beat his guy like a drum on that 2 point play and it meant nothing. Lawrence with a ridiculous play there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Chase young better get used to these types of finishes, because he's gonna be dealing with them for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Lawrence is incredible. If they win this game, the match up against Burrow has the potential to be legendary. Win or lose, Okudah was dominant tonight. The second best player on the field after Lawrence tonight. I was hoping to see more of both him and Chase Young next round, but if they can't come back from this deficit, we've seen enough to know those guys are studs. Okudah is a no-brainer top five talent. He deserves to be the fourth guy off the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Oh no!!!! What a crappy way for such a great game to end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 OK. So Young is perfectly healthy heading into the draft. I dont see Cincy passing on Burrow. So as long as we lose tomorrow the top two picks should be set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Tough loss for OSU. At least now Young won't tear an ACL or something in the Championship game once we lock up the 2nd overall pick. Knowing our luck, that definitely would have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Clemson has that championship poise. They have tremendous pedigree. They took a tremendous shot from a great team and still came out on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho fan Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 minute ago, HTTRDynasty said: Tough loss for OSU. At least now Young won't tear an ACL or something in the Championship game once we lock up the 2nd overall pick. Knowing our luck, that definitely would have happened. Actually our luck would have it happen in OTAs. Lawrence is one helluva damn good looking QB. good game between two really good teams. Hopefully the LSU Clemson will eclipse this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Like @clskinsfannoted, Clemson had a great game plan for Chase Young tonight. Young was beating his guys all night long but it didn't really matter because Clemson was throwing quick passes away from him and Lawrence was running away from him immediately on most passing downs. One thing I'm a bit worried about.....what if Young decides that he REALLY wants to try for a championship again and goes back to school for his senior year? MAN that would sting like a mothe****er. I just hope he's smart enough to realize how high he's going and how much money he'll be making and that a possible injury next season could hurt that. But who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cakmoney61 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 We were reminded once again why potential franchise QBs are normally the first players taken in the draft. Burrow will be the first player drafted this year and Trevor Lawrence next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmiii Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I'm not an expert and I didn't stay at a holiday in last night, but I've seen Chase play 2 games (Michigan and Clemson) and for the most part he was not a factor. Tonight I saw a bunch of plays with a pathetic level of effort. I understand they are chipping and doubling some, but I saw a bunch of times he could not beat the tackle one on one. Great against lesser opponents; disappears against the better teams. Everybody's better in the NFL. I don't see either Bosa brother when I see him; he doesn't have the motor. I hope he decides to stay in school and pursue a National Championship so we don't draft him #2. If he turns out to be what McShay says I'll admit I'm wrong; but I don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggarriso Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 minute ago, evmiii said: I'm not an expert and I didn't stay at a holiday in last night, but I've seen Chase play 2 games (Michigan and Clemson) and for the most part he was not a factor. Tonight I saw a bunch of plays with a pathetic level of effort. I understand they are chipping and doubling some, but I saw a bunch of times he could not beat the tackle one on one. Great against lesser opponents; disappears against the better teams. Everybody's better in the NFL. I don't see either Bosa brother when I see him; he doesn't have the motor. I hope he decides to stay in school and pursue a National Championship so we don't draft him #2. If he turns out to be what McShay says I'll admit I'm wrong; but I don't see it. Posted this earlier and saw a similar pattern in the second half, he played ultra lazy today, if this is how he gets up for a big game count me out on wanting any part of it - #2 pick in the draft needs to be highly driven - the physical attributes tend to even out at the NFL level. We already have one ohio state player that needed "help" getting motivated, we dont need another one.. PASS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, evmiii said: I'm not an expert and I didn't stay at a holiday in last night, but I've seen Chase play 2 games (Michigan and Clemson) and for the most part he was not a factor. Tonight I saw a bunch of plays with a pathetic level of effort. I understand they are chipping and doubling some, but I saw a bunch of times he could not beat the tackle one on one. Great against lesser opponents; disappears against the better teams. Everybody's better in the NFL. I don't see either Bosa brother when I see him; he doesn't have the motor. I hope he decides to stay in school and pursue a National Championship so we don't draft him #2. If he turns out to be what McShay says I'll admit I'm wrong; but I don't see it. This is a ludicrous thing to say considering that his two best games were against their two highest ranked opponents of the year (Wisconsin and PSU). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, mistertim said: One thing I'm a bit worried about.....what if Young decides that he REALLY wants to try for a championship again and goes back to school for his senior year? MAN that would sting like a mothe****er. I just hope he's smart enough to realize how high he's going and how much money he'll be making and that a possible injury next season could hurt that. But who knows. He's not going to go back to school. He's going to be the second or third overall pick. He's a great player. But he's also not the messianic superhero that all of the bat**** crazy hype in this thread and around the internet has made him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Clemson has that championship poise. They have tremendous pedigree. They took a tremendous shot from a great team and still came out on top. Burrow was a machine today. Trevor Hanson better be ready to score 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, ggarriso said: Posted this earlier and saw a similar pattern in the second half, he played ultra lazy today, if this is how he gets up for a big game count me out on wanting any part of it - #2 pick in the draft needs to be highly driven - the physical attributes tend to even out at the NFL level. We already have one ohio state player that needed "help" getting motivated, we dont need another one.. PASS This is like saying that a team should pass on a possible generational talent at QB because he had one mediocre game where he threw a couple of picks. Or a generational talent at WR because he had a couple of drops in a game. I've watched every single cutup of Young that's out there multiple times and the guy is simply dominant. No pass rusher gets to the QB every time but Young has the highest rate of pressures on passing downs that PFF has ever measured and it isn't even close. He faces double teams on almost every passing play and still manages to get to the QB regularly. When a team is dumb enough to single him it's usually no contest. Urban Meyer was doing an analysis of him and he was talking about how he's simply so dominant that you can almost never single block him. Ever. You'd be a moron if you did. But what does he know? You say he's lazy and doesn't play big in big games against good teams (despite the numbers saying that's not true) and want to pass on him. I'll always go with your hot take instead of, oh, literally EVERY other sports analyst and coach out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macster Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 This is the 4th game I've seen Ohio State play this year. In all four combined, Young had ONE sack. When he plays the big boys, he does not dominate. He does not hustle every play, over penetrates and is not good when running at him. He is overhyped in my opinion. He beats up on weaker teams/players but does not dominate the big boys. that's all he'll face in the NFL...the big boys and the best boys. IMO, I'd rather trade down to the Dolphins who has three first round picks or the raiders who have 2 first rounders and package our firs pick (the #2) pick with Trent Williams for their 2 first rounders, and 2nd this year and first next year. We'll lose Williams anyway, as he will never play another down for us, so let's get 4 picks for 2. and a player .I would go Okudah or Delpit with that first pick trade and then with the other first round pick, the best WR available, (higgins or jefferson should be available) . n the 2nd round, the best OT left in the draft (should be some good ones at this pick) and 3rd round best TE available. We address 4 major needs and have 2 first rounders for next year. THIS is how you build a (team. We have four solid rookie WRs, we have the rbacks. DL and decent linebackers. We can pick up some Edge Rushers in free agency and possibly another OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cakmoney61 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 The Redskins have until April to decide if they want to draft him or trade down for multiple picks. No matter what anyone says, they have to do their diligence to determine if Young is a generational talent or not in their eyes. FWIW, no player (college or pro) dominates every play of every game unless they are playing against inferior competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Macster said: This is the 4th game I've seen Ohio State play this year. In all four combined, Young had ONE sack. When he plays the big boys, he does not dominate. He does not hustle every play, over penetrates and is not good when running at him. He is overhyped in my opinion. He beats up on weaker teams/players but does not dominate the big boys. that's all he'll face in the NFL...the big boys and the best boys. As I mentioned above this is literally/factually false. His two best games were against their highest ranked opponents. He had 4 sacks against Wisconsin and 3 sacks against PSU, both of which are top 10 teams. Please stop spreading disinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macster Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, ggarriso said: Posted this earlier and saw a similar pattern in the second half, he played ultra lazy today, if this is how he gets up for a big game count me out on wanting any part of it - #2 pick in the draft needs to be highly driven - the physical attributes tend to even out at the NFL level. We already have one ohio state player that needed "help" getting motivated, we dont need another one.. PASS I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtfskins Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 29 minutes ago, mistertim said: Like @clskinsfannoted, Clemson had a great game plan for Chase Young tonight. Young was beating his guys all night long but it didn't really matter because Clemson was throwing quick passes away from him and Lawrence was running away from him immediately on most passing downs. One thing I'm a bit worried about.....what if Young decides that he REALLY wants to try for a championship again and goes back to school for his senior year? MAN that would sting like a mothe****er. I just hope he's smart enough to realize how high he's going and how much money he'll be making and that a possible injury next season could hurt that. But who knows. Not a chance top 2 pick big money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macster Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, mistertim said: As I mentioned above this is literally/factually false. His two best games were against their highest ranked opponents. He had 4 sacks against Wisconsin and 3 sacks against PSU, both of which are top 10 teams. Please stop spreading disinformation. and the michigan game, rematch against wisconsin and clemson, 0 sacks and no real impact. you are obviously a YOUNG homer and a stat hound. Kirk Cousins, just by looking at their stats should be all pros, but they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Absolutely say NO to Chase Young at #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Macster said: and the michigan game, rematch against wisconsin and clemson, 0 sacks and no real impact. you are obviously a YOUNG homer and a stat hound. Kirk Cousins, just by looking at their stats should be all pros, but they are not. You said something patently false and I called you on it, and now you feel the need to attack me personally? You said Young beat up on inferior teams and did nothing against the better ones. That was a lie (or you just didn't know). Also having no sacks isn't the same as having no impact. Pressures, and teams having to keep extra guys in to block you makes a difference. And yes, not every pass rusher gets sacks every game, no matter the competition...that has to do with game planning, and other possible factors. Remember when that loser Khalil Mack (whatever happened to him, isn't he working at McDonalds now?) got zero sacks in his two most important games at the end of his college career? Or when that bum Von Miller started out his final year at A&M with four consecutive games with no sacks? You say I'm a "stat hound" out of one side of your mouth but then try to use stats when talking out the other side to prove your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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