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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.

       
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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Starting QB 2019???

Who should be the starting QB in 2019???  

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  1. 1. Who should be the starting QB in 2019???

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On 3/10/2019 at 6:34 AM, Jericho said:

 

Because Keenum had to agree to it. Keenum voluntarily waived $10 million of salary to come here. I think he did so because he believes the can start here. That won't be true virtually anywhere else. So I doubt Keenum would cooperate with a trade to virtually any other team and they'd have to take on his full $17 million salary

 

Keenum had a $7M guarantee. He was not getting anymore than that - he was cut absent a trade.

 

So to make the trade happen the Broncos paid him a $500K bonus and half the $7M he is due is being paid by them the other half by us. So Keenum actually made $500K to move here.

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On 3/8/2019 at 1:07 PM, JoggingGod said:

OMG are people here really defending Keenum starting this year?

 

He sucks. You saw it last year. Just admit the team doesn’t know what they’re doing if he’s their plan.

Our starting QB got a career ending injury with a boat load of guaranteed money, not many teams would be able to come back form that. 

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Starting QB will depend on the week.

 

Week 1-4 - Colt "Dagger" McCoy

Week 5-13 Case "Closed' Keenum

Week 14-17 Brett "The Ripper 2" Rypien

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2 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

Starting QB will depend on the week.

 

Week 1-4 - Colt "Dagger" McCoy

Week 5-13 Case "Closed' Keenum

Week 14-17 Brett "The Ripper 2" Rypien

And for the playoffs? 😉

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2 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

Starting QB will depend on the week.

 

Week 1-4 - Colt "Dagger" McCoy

Week 5-13 Case "Closed' Keenum

Week 14-17 Brett "The Ripper 2" Rypien

Nah man its "Just in Case" Keenum

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Tress Way!

 

 

On ESPN's First Take on Tuesday morning, Smith ran through the list of signal callers the 'Skins used in 2018. Problem is, he or whoever does his research for him, well, did not do very good research for him.

"When you look at the Redskins last year, they had five different quarterbacks," he said, which is 1 million percent wrong. 

"Alex Smith, Josh Johnson, Colt McCoy, they even got Mr. Butt Fumble himself, Mark Sanchez, OK? And some guy named Tress Way actually started one game," he continued, which — again — is 1 million percent wrong.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/stephen-smith-called-tress-way-quarterback-and-tress-way-loving-it

 

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7 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Which 100% means they want to move on from Rosen.  Because if Rosen is your guy, you would not be pleased that he would not know that and you dont play games with his head pretending you are ditching him and taking another guy 1st overall.

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6. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t anything interesting to come out of these meetings, of course. Here’s one nugget: The Cardinals appear to be in the market for a veteran backup quarterback. On the front end, that could land Mike Glennon on the chopping block. On the back end, I’d pay attention—if it does happen—to what style of backup quarterback they bring in, because it could give us a tell into their plans re: Josh Rosen/Kyler Murray. And I can tell you one guy they’ve kicked tires on is Seattle’s Brett Hundley, which will only add fuel to the Murray-is-going-No. 1 fire.

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I thought this was a really good and pretty fair critique/film review of Rosen.

 

TL;DR version: Rosen had some issue with reaction time and processing fast enough, some issues with batted balls, and taking some sacks he should have avoided. But he also had an absolutely horrendous OL and horrendous play calling that contributed in a major way. He made some really bad but also some really good plays. Definitely not a lost cause. Issues were those that are not uncommon for rookies. He thinks with decent coaching (including non-terrible play calling), a bit more experience, and fixing some small things that Rosen could be a great QB. Thinks he's actually pretty close to being a really good NFL QB. 

 

 

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If Bruce is there, and we are about to see one way or another at 10 am, it would make me start to wonder.  Finlay seems a bit on an island on this but he seems to think trading up for Murray is on the table if he becomes up for grabs in a trade up.  

 

 

 

 

 

That makes deciphering fact from fiction this time of year all the more difficult. And, to some, like Keim, the smokescreen has become an art.

"I think the biggest thing really is everybody's trying to figure out what you're doing this time of year," Panthers coach Ron Rivera said at this year's combine. "But it really starts to play once you start going out on the road and visiting players or bringing players in the closer you get to the draft. I think it's important because you can't let people know what you want because they'll try to jeopardize it. So, it is important."

Since he was promoted to general manager in 2013, Keim has been open about his misdirection, which worked especially well in tandem with former Cardinals and current Buccaneers coach Bruce Arians.

In 2014, Arians said Arizona wouldn't draft a quarterback. It took Logan Thomas in the fourth round.

"I lie pretty good," Arians said then.

That same year, Keim said this about his draft: "I told you we're the only two you can believe." And Arians added: "Truth kills, baby."

A year later, in 2015, Arians said, "You tell the truth and everybody thinks you're lying."

So, maybe, just maybe, Kingsbury was telling the truth on Feb. 12, when he said Rosen was "our guy."

He backed it up at the combine.

"The talent is obviously there," Kingsbury said of Rosen. "He's very cerebral and I just like the way he fought at the end of the year through some adverse conditions. He never turned it down, he continued to get up and he continued to fight and compete his tail off until the end."

But, maybe, Keim's comment on Feb. 27 at the combine was true, too.

"It's still early in the process," he said. "We still haven't gone through a full evaluation, so it's too early to say."

What's the value in Keim deceiving the media and the public? Making the rest of the league think the Cardinals are heavily interested in Murray would drive up the price of the first pick for a team that would want him.

If the Cardinals are, in fact, looking to shop Rosen, they haven't done so yet. According to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, teams made overtures into Rosen's availability at the combine but the Cardinals did not show any signs they were open to trading the quarterback -- at least not yet -- and had not responded to them as of last week.

Teams that could be potential landing spots for Rosen include: the New York Giants and Miami Dolphins. The market has shrunk too as the Washington Redskins are trading for Case Keenum and the Jacksonville Jaguars will signNick Foles. And with all that, a potential pursuit of Rosen could be cooled. Then, again, it could not.

Whether the Cardinals decide to use the No. 1 pick or trade it, Keim said at the combine he believes it has plenty of value.

"I think every year it's different but to me there are several players who really warrant the No. 1 pick," Keim said of this draft. "Enough guys that I think there is a lot of value in this pick right now."

Whether or not that's more sleight of hand is yet to be determined.

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NY could be a good landing spot for Rosen if he's gonna get dealt. Working with Shurmur would be phenomenal for his development, and Mike Shula runs a very good offense. Rosen could sit for a year behind Eli and get the tutelage he needs, and the kid could be ready to roll for the 2020 season. Just a thought. Getting OBJ outta there minimizes drama and complications for a young QB. I'd keep an eye on how the G-Men approach this.

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1 minute ago, skinzplay said:

NY could be a good landing spot for Rosen if he's gonna get dealt. Working with Shurmur would be phenomenal for his development, and Mike Shula runs a very good offense. Rosen could sit for a year behind Eli and get the tutelage he needs, and the kid could be ready to roll for the 2020 season. Just a thought. Getting OBJ outta there minimizes drama and complications for a young QB. I'd keep an eye on how the G-Men approach this.

Oh yes getting rid of a hall of fame WR will TOTALLY help a young QB...

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8 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

Oh yes getting rid of a hall of fame WR will TOTALLY help a young QB...

Yeah that was definitely a little bit of a stretch to suggest getting rid of obj would help his development. 

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2 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

Oh yes getting rid of a hall of fame WR will TOTALLY help a young QB...

 

Dude is a headcase; a talented headcase, but a headcase nonetheless. The offense they're going to be running in NY doesn't need OBJ, and they're putting together a completely different kind of offensive attack. I hope it fails miserably, of course, but I think they did the right thing by dealing him to Cleveland.

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Kyler and his agent playing the game but it makes me a little wary. Not running the 40 today?

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14 hours ago, mistertim said:

I thought this was a really good and pretty fair critique/film review of Rosen.

 

TL;DR version: Rosen had some issue with reaction time and processing fast enough, some issues with batted balls, and taking some sacks he should have avoided. But he also had an absolutely horrendous OL and horrendous play calling that contributed in a major way. He made some really bad but also some really good plays. Definitely not a lost cause. Issues were those that are not uncommon for rookies. He thinks with decent coaching (including non-terrible play calling), a bit more experience, and fixing some small things that Rosen could be a great QB. Thinks he's actually pretty close to being a really good NFL QB. 

 

 

My concern with Rosen is he didn't all of a sudden throw into double coverage and make bad decisions in Arizona.  From the games I watched it was part of the soup in college, too.  He could get away with some of that in college -- tougher to do so in the pros.  So to me the big question about him is does he has one of RG3's weakness where he just can't see the field well or is it a Rex Grossman inner gun slinger personality.  If its the later, I think it can be fixed.  If its the former, I wonder.

 

I am not as down on his personality as some are.  But when you read Mora say that he gets bored in meetings because he's so smart and needs to be challenged -- it feels a little comical to me considering from what I watched Rosen's issues are very intellectually driven in that its about making really bad decisions.  So taking the right gambles and knowing how defenses are trying to trap you.  That makes me wonder what Casserly said about his lazy streak.  It doesn't sound crazy to me that he's not a preparation hound considering how he plays which in short to me looks like for a guy who is supposedly so smart he doesn't seem to play smart. 

 

I am no expert but that's my amateur take on it from watching 6 combined games of his.   I've been reading Arians' book about QBs, and he's obsessed with the work ethics of QBs.  He says even if you are mega talented you just can't play well in the NFL if you aren't a film rat because defensive coordinators are too smart and spend too much time to try to foil offense -- and your QB has to match wits with that to have a chance. 

 

I love the dude's footwork, release, toughness in the pocket.  He looks picture perfect as for his throwing motion albeit his accuracy IMO is just good and not great.  And I think his elusiveness in the pocket is underrated.   But it wouldn't shock me if he ends up being a take a lot of sacks, 12-15 INT, 8 fumble guy a year.  I think he has the potential to me to be a mess as a turnover machine.  Can Jay coach that out of him?  don't know.  but if they think they can, I am more than cool going on that ride if they can do it for less than a first rounder. 

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24 minutes ago, skinzplay said:

 

Dude is a headcase; a talented headcase, but a headcase nonetheless. The offense they're going to be running in NY doesn't need OBJ, and they're putting together a completely different kind of offensive attack. I hope it fails miserably, of course, but I think they did the right thing by dealing him to Cleveland.

Teams can just stack against Barkley now and that offense shuts down since nobody else is really a threat. I don’t see at all how tearing the largest part of your offense helps them.

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Giants gonna trade up for Murray. That's the latest rumor. And that the Rosen stuff is all a smokescreen. Giants coaches and front office out in force at his pro day.

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9 minutes ago, Hooper said:

Giants gonna trade up for Murray. That's the latest rumor. And that the Rosen stuff is all a smokescreen. Giants coaches and front office out in force at his pro day.

 

I'm inclined to agree. Been thinking that way recently, looks a lot more plausible now I think.

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