The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

[KDawg]

1 hour ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

Meh. Like finding a great QB in the 6th round Bill Bellichick is the exception to the rule, most of the time the head coach in charge of personnel has failed.  

Sean McDermott.

 

it happens more than you think. Ozzie Newsome left Baltimore and Harbaugh is still the coach.

 

I mean I understand your reservation, but my point is that The Who matters more than The What.

[Skinsinparadise]

56 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said:

And I could easily say look what they did to SM when they started to interfere again.   

 

Started to interfere again connotes my point of sometimes not all the time.  And again I'd really feel better about Dan if let's say I did learn he secretly took over the drafts once Scot left.  I think Scot's drafts are better than his critics suggest.  But I do think Kyle, has really kicked it up to a higher degree.  If that is really Dan then I'd be warming up to him since he drafted some of my favorite players. 

 

But I don't believe Kyle was working with Dan's draft board.  I do believe Dan interfered with Haskins though, that was clearly his pick based on numerous reports.   But nope I don't think Dan walked into Kyle's office saying hey I was watching some NC state, check out this dude Kelvin Harmon in the 6th round.  Turn in the card ASAP. 

 

56 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said:

 

 I find it hard to believe that you cannot acknowledge that since Dan has owned this team and Cerrato and Allen have played GM under him, that the majority of the time,  he has not been actively involved in choices around player acquisitions.  You rattled off all his QB meddling, which is true, and it came out.  But he has been involved in a lot more then we think.  When you are this over involved the majority of the time, you get this type of organization dysfunction and then the discrediting of guys on their way out the door:  Shanny, Scott McCloughan, and I believe, because I posted about it even Jay Gruden.  

 

 

 

It depends on the era you are talking about.  More involved under Vinny less involved under Bruce.   But regardless, he's been involved.    And the argument in play is purely personnel.  My whole point is he leads the culture and how this team rolls.  That's 100% on him.  His hires are 100% on him.  the bottom line is everything is 100% on him.

 

But the specific argument we are having is Dan making every draft pick and every FA signing.  Not in the owner formality type of way where he signs off on it and signs the check like any owner.  But that Dan is saying in the 4th round we are taking Nicholson and let's sign Danny Johnson as an undrafted FA.  On and on.  Those are all Dan's ideas.   I am not saying that's not the case at all but I am saying he does it sometimes. And sometimes is plenty enough to spoil the broth. 

 

56 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said:

 

What do you think creates a culture?  It is either a good one with efficient well defined structures and boundaries with reasonable expectations and time periods for good outcomes or one where the boundaries are permeable, such as sometimes I don't interfere, but most times I do.  This is of course not based upon reasonable expectations, but whim, emotions, etc.  And that is what makes the Skins a ****ty culture iMO. Because it is a top down disaster with Danny sitting on the top of a **** show.

 

 

Sure, I've laid out the same point for years in details.   If anything, I don't think you take the culture part far enough though.  To me the culture isn't primarily about the FO structure.   To me the culture is primarily about what I explained in a post earlier today and I am too l lazy to repeat it all -- the cliff notes version of it is a culture of: slime, fear, myopia, cronyism.    Heck I can even live albeit reluctantly with a warped FO structure if they operated with class but they don't.

 

[Wildbunny]

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

But the specific argument we are having is Dan is making every draft pick and every FA signing.  Not in the owner formality type of way we he signs off on it and signs the check.  But that Dan is saying in the 4th round we are taking Nicholson.   Lets sign Danny Johnson as an undrafted FA.  Those are Dan's ideas.   I am saying that's not the case all the time but sometimes. 

 

So you mean there's a possibility Dan told everyone to pick Andrew East when Nick Snudberg got injured last year?

[Skinsinparadise]

12 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

 

So you mean there's a possibility Dan told everyone to pick Andrew East when Nick Snudberg got injured last year?

 

LOL, yeah I guess to some that's what's happening.  And I get their point.  Dan's tentacles are everywhere.  I agree with that.  He's the owner. It's his culture.   But the idea that he's making every or most personnel decisions takes that point way too far.  But again he's guilty of the crime IMO with a first degree penalty regardless of the sometimes versus all the time point.  And like I've been saying IMO Dan interfering is only one of a series of crimes so I don't think the defense rises or falls with just that one variable.   We got multiple crimes cooking IMO.  Interfering is just one.   Hence my Jerry Jones comparison. 

 

Most of us all agree that Dan is guilty of the crime.    But I guess we don't all agree on the exact same version of the crime.  But that's fine.  

 

To me if I believed that Dan is making every personnel move -- I'd oddly feel better about Dan because I've loved their recents drafts.  But I don't believe that was Dan. 

[Skinsinparadise]

It's been talked about before but this hits the 2nd rate point pretty well.  Heck you read about it on a number of fronts.  In Dallas they feed the people in the press box like kings, Philly too but the Redskins press box has bad food or so said one Giant reporter.  There isn't much about this organization that's top of the line. 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28334892/from-miami-dolphins-cincinnati-bengals-embarking-nfl-tour-sadness

 

Imagine what this looks like from Haskins' perspective, though. At Ohio State, the quarterback spent all his time at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center, an immaculate, state-of-the-art, 100,000-square-foot facility with a players lounge, nutrition center, barbershop, arcade, cryotherapy chamber and sleep pods. And that is just the east wing. After realizing his lifelong dream of making it to the NFL, Haskins, 22, the Redskins' first-round pick, was then forced to put his professional development, and hundreds of millions of dollars in potential earnings, in the hands of a franchise headquartered in a place that looks like it should be selling CBD oil.

 

The Washington Post was being generous when it called this place outdated five years ago. And it hardly matters that owner Dan Snyder is probably waiting to upgrade the team's facilities as part of a new stadium deal. If an owner can't even correct the simple, nonmoving parts like infrastructure, what possible hope does he have at the really vital, complex stuff like hiring a coach or GM, developing a franchise QB and building a culture and roster around him? You simply can't own a team worth $3.4 billion and continually promise to spare no expense in order to build a winner and expect your fan base, free agents or franchise quarterbacks to believe you when there's a sign on your locker room door that reads, "HOT TUB DOWN."

 

 

 

[Redskinscub]

I agree it starts with Snyder. While I think he truly wants to win, I am not sure he is a real people person. Maybe he needs to take a Dale Caregie course?

 

Bruce gets blamed for everything but he is nothing more than a salary cap specialist with a link to our past (George Allen). Our drafts have been progressively better minus the Scott years. We went years without draft picks and losing picks in 2010 (i think that was the year we were penalized) and losing picks when RG3 and out did not work out really hurt. 

 

I like the direction we are going and hope we get a good coach. Callahan has impressed me much more than Jay.

 

Winning will cure everything.

[Skinsinparadise]

Hoffman was talking about Bruce this morning.  He said he's not sure if Bruce gets removed one way or another.  His point is only Dan knows.  And Dan is impetuous but also impressionable and changes his mind plenty and Bruce is a very persuasive guy when he needs to be.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/redskins/news/deangelo-is-savvy-could-he-be-right

 

Hall went on to say to Hawksworth that the Redskins could benefit from another football person - "Do I think they need a general manager? Yes I do! Do I think they need an assistant general manager? Yes I do."

"This is the turning point right now because you have a ton of young talent." 

He saluted Kyle Smith and Alex Santos as well. Hall said that he and Allen discussed a number of things and that he considers Allen a friend. 

"If I get the opportunity to learn with him, I'll be ecstatic." Hall also mentioned that he would understand and be OK if Allen was not here, which is what many, if not all fans want. 

Hall dismissed the notion that Allen was a dead man walking "It wasn't one of 'oh my goodness, biting my finger nails'.....He might be a great poker player, I don't know." 

Hall is receiving some criticism on social media, which isn't fair. He has a right to have an opinion and a different perspective on Allen than many of us do. 

He knows Allen much, much better. He's also one of the smartest and most savvy people that I know. 

He didn't say Allen is absolutely staying. He didn't say Allen has done a good job. Also, Hall did not say that Allen should be kept in a position of power. 

He admitted that the Redskins need more football people and a general manager or perhaps an assistant.
"I think Bruce has a smart football mind," Hall said in-part. Then he added this nugget.

"I think Doug Williams should probably be the general manager right now!" Hall continued his thoughts while also mentioning he didn't exactly know what Williams title was as of now.  

For weeks, I have been convinced that Allen is not going to be with the Redskins in a meaningful way moving forward, but of course, he could still be with the organization in a different capacity. 

One source that SI/Redskins Maven spoke to recently, predicted that Allen would be back after saying for weeks that the feeling was Allen would be out. 

However, as sources always remind me, "only Dan (Snyder) really knows."

Allen could very much be bending the ear of Snyder behind the scenes convincing him that the football operation is close and that they have all of this young talent to build on.

That would be the fear that 99+% of Redskins nation but it could be a reality. 

Something it seems that Hall would be more than fine with and likely a part of. 

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Listen to that entire D Hall interview. It was pathetic. He embarrassed himself. Carried Bruce’s water the entire time in hopes of getting a job. Complete propaganda 

 

No more ex players. None of them. Get them all out and keep them away from the team. 

[Skinsinparadise]

8 minutes ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Listen to that entire D Hall interview. It was pathetic. He embarrassed himself. Carried Bruce’s water the entire time in hopes of getting a job. Complete propaganda 

 

No more ex players. None of them. Get them all out and keep them away from the team. 

 

I'll tune in.  That would be twice in a row for D. Hall.  His previous podcast was basically a tribute to Bruce where he talked about how irreplaceable he would be.

 

Based on what Russell said in the article he just wrote and what Hoffman said today, it comes off like Dan genuinely hasn't decided whether he's removing Bruce and the we are close narrative is creeping back into his mind.  It's pathetic but it sounds like we got to hope they lose to the Giants (I want them to lose regardless for draft position) in order to help suffocate Bruce's we are close song.  

[profusion]

53 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Based on what Russell said in the article he just wrote and what Hoffman said today, it comes off like Dan genuinely hasn't decided whether he's removing Bruce and the we are close narrative is creeping back into his mind.  It's pathetic but it sounds like we got to hope they lose to the Giants (I want them to lose regardless for draft position) in order to help suffocate Bruce's we are close song.  

 

If he hasn't already, Dan needs to figure this out pretty soon. The end of the season is close, and the scramble for FO and coaching talent will begin. He will have wasted any head start he got by firing Jay early.

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Listen to that entire D Hall interview. It was pathetic. He embarrassed himself. Carried Bruce’s water the entire time in hopes of getting a job. Complete propaganda 

 

No more ex players. None of them. Get them all out and keep them away from the team. 

 

Just listened to it.  It's gross.  The kicker to me is when he defends the idea that Bruce isn't a football guy.    Him trying to say Bruce is a football guy.   Yet in neither in that podcast or the other one he did singing Bruce's song did he give a single example of why Bruce is good at his job.  His refrain is typically that Bruce has taught him a lot about the business side of football. 

 

He goes this team is going to be really good in 2 years or it will be bad for the next 5 years plus -- one extreme or another based on how they operate going forward and he's jazzed about Bruce's ideas.  But he doesn't really explain it outside of saying they need to manage their young players well. 

 

 

 

 

The Redskins had their most encouraging game of the season last week, so how come I can’t shake that sinking feeling that bad news is around the corner?

Maybe it’s the fact that Washington Redskins president Bruce Allen is still employed and the rumors of his imminent ouster have been replaced by the possibility of him being “reassigned”.

 

My eyes may never recover from they eyeroll associated with that idea. Good organizations don’t reassign people who are utter and complete failures. They remove them. Good organizations don’t reassign people who show wanton disregard for their customers. They fire them. Good organizations don’t allow malignant cultural rot to fester in a new office. They cut it out.

 

https://riggosrag.com/2019/12/21/sinking-feeling-redskins-reality-checks-week-16/

[dyst]

I am at the point where I want the name changed, former players gone from the team, burn the banners and trophies too. Doug Williams smfdh.

[Wildbunny]

2 minutes ago, dyst said:

I am at the point where I want the name changed, former players gone from the team, burn the banners and trophies too. Doug Williams smfdh.

I would add for the team to be moved anywhere but in DC...

 

I'm not sure I'll be able to bear another year with Bruce Allen on the team.

[dyst]

Just now, Wildbunny said:

I would add for the team to be moved anywhere but in DC...

 

I'm not sure I'll be able to bear another year with Bruce Allen on the team.

No joke. Are these guys serious. Not only are they incompetent but they are tone deaf too. 

[Skinsinparadise]

30 minutes ago, dyst said:

No joke. Are these guys serious. Not only are they incompetent but they are tone deaf too. 

 

Yep I can imagine the conversations, Dan the Eagles are vying for a playoff spot and we almost beat them.  We are close. Hey see that dude McLaurin he's pretty good.  We almost beat the Packers!

 

The thing that would make Dan insanely tone deaf in this context is the fans don't give a rats behind about the we are close arguments.  Dan will almost for sure feel the pain very quickly in season ticket renewals if he brings Bruce back.   I'll give Bruce this if he convinces Dan to return one more time to the rodeo -- Bruce is either the be all and end all salesman who could sell ice to Eskimos or Dan has to be one of the dumbest and more gullible people on the planet or he really really craves a friend and will pay any price for it or maybe all three things? 

[fearlessNelms]

Not only should Hall absolutely not be considered for any job in the Redskins front office, he should now be banned from Redskins Park altogether for plugging Doug Williams to be the GM. 

[SkinsFTW]

9 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

If Dan really was making EVERY roster move as you like to claim. Then I genuinely think the dude is an evil genius

 

I'm still trying to figure out where you got the idea that I ever said that Dan makes every move. Go back a page and reread both of my posts.

 

Dan is involved enough and not just making a draft pick every 10 years, which is what you like to claim (See I can do it too).

He's involved enough that just about every football guy on SeriusXM agree 100% that the Redskins and Dan are the biggest joke in the NFL, by far, no question. Just a complete Dumpster Fire that will never end apparently.

 

[Thinking Skins]

6 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

But the idea that Dan is making EVERY call, every draft pick makes as little sense to me as (if I am reading you right) it makes total sense to you that he is.   Based on doing the same research about Dan interfering much of the same stuff also contradicts that Dan does it ALL the time.   Shanny has talked at length about when Dan has and hasn't interfered.  Gibbs, ditto.   Cerrato, ditto.   

 

 

I think this is a minute point. What frustrated me the most about Dan when he bought the team until today is that he has always undervalued the opinion of scouts. This is what we saw with the big free agent signings of his first year, peaked by the signing of Jeff George and getting rid of Brad Johnson (who went on to win a SB). Its what we saw with the structure of one of the smallest sets of scouts in the league until Shanahan was hired, and not being in ?BLEDSOE? profiles for the college players which all the other teams were in. Heck he admitted to it when Schottenheimer  hired a director of scouting and gave him responsibilities that didn't involve checking with Snyder and Snyder fired Schotty because it wasn't fun.

 

Do I think Snyder's a side seat driver who's constantly telling Kyle Smith/Doug Williams/Scot McCloughan/Bruce Allen/Vinny Cerrato/etc who to draft or sign in FA? It wouldn't surprise me if he's doing just that. Like we all know that you can take the BW Parkway or 95 to get from DC to Baltimore, but it wouldn't surprise me if Snyder's in the passenger seat and he's riding along on the parkway until he sees a sign that says "Cracker Barrell" and says "ooh, I used to love that place when I was a kid, lets make a stop there" and so whoever's doing the driving makes the stop and waits in the long line to get the food and now Dan's saying "hmmmm, that was a good meal but now I want to walk around for a minute so lets get on Route 1 and take that the rest of the way to Baltimore".

 

He's not doing this every trip to Baltimore, or every draft or every free agent move but he's there and has an attitude that he's smarter and more important than the driver so at any time he can say "lets go sign Terrell Pryor" or "lets draft Dwayne Haskins" or "lets trade for AJ Green" or "lets draft Mark Sanchez" etc. And its not like Cracker Barrell isn't a great restaurant and has some great things on the menu (like I think Haskins is a good QB), but how can a guy like Mike Shanahan or Kyle Smith or whoever is in power be expected to operate efficiently and make the trip from DC to Baltimore in a reasonable amount of time, avoiding traffic etc (ala building a team around the salary cap with a certain philosophy and style of play) when they know that at any moment they can be overruled by one of Dan's crazy ideas. Do they proactively take Rt. 1 (i.e coming with stupid sounding ideas to try to please Dan)? Do they recommend other restaurants that (they think) don't interfere with their overall plans  (say they know Dan likes speedy receivers, do they recommend a Paul Richardson thinking Dan will approve it more than somebody better)? 

 

So to me its almost impossible to separate the influence of Dan from ANY decision made. And I do think its REMARKABLE that we have such a good core of young players on this team right now. Go back to the 2014 draft and I was amazed that we did so well in that draft. Remember back and I was giving Bruce Allen a lot of credit for that because regardless of whose board it was, the fact that 2014 until now it seemed that the drafts had been better and Dan had been more reserved (to me) meant that Bruce was keeping him contained by kinda giving him a little toy and saying let the big boys play while you play go fish. And this to me is still Bruce's best impact on the team. We're seeing a lot less of the crazy moves like we saw under Vinny. Did Bruce teach Dan a thing or two? Maybe. Did he just tell him to shut up? Maybe.

 

But that still doesn't change the culture of corruption, the infighting, the smear campaigns, what he did to Mike Nolan what he did to Zorn, twice. And those are things I can't forget about as easily as say drafting Malcolm Kelly because we fell in love with him and ignored the medical reports. And I'm convinced that whatever success we have it will be short lived because Dan has that culture of infighting and people will leave when given the chance. I still have hopes that somebody like a Gibbs or remember when George Michaels was one of his best friends? Maybe now an Urban Meyer? Somebody who is not corrupt from the core? 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

3 hours ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Listen to that entire D Hall interview. It was pathetic. He embarrassed himself. Carried Bruce’s water the entire time in hopes of getting a job. Complete propaganda 

 

No more ex players. None of them. Get them all out and keep them away from the team. 

I didn’t listen to it, but Hall appears to be doing whatever it takes to make a post football career, in one way or another.  He was sent out to convey the message that all was swell in Ashburn during Super Bowl week in exchange for what he thought was going to be a position in the FO.  Nothing ever transpired, so he went the other way trying to break news (Trent) as a media guy, now it appears he’s back sniffing around the Skins for a position in the FO again.

[Skinsinparadise]

18 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

 

Dan does interfere all of the time.

 

 

You say where did I come up with Dan does it all the time?

18 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

 

 

Dan is anything but just kinda sorta disruptive.

 

Then we got this point, directed at mine about how Dan interferes some of the time with personnel.  I take the point as me saying that he sometimes interferes with personnel suggests he's sorta of disruptive.  I go I think he's very disruptive.  But my definition of disruptive isn't just about personnel and I elaborated on it. 

 

If your point is not to take you that literally.  OK.  Was your point he interferes with personnel most of the time versus my point that its some of the time?  Or if I am misunderstanding, sorry, let me know what your point is in contrast to mine?

 

This isn't the first time you've challenged my position on Dan and its centered on a variation of this same sort of point.  So I thought I have your point down but if I don't let me know what am missing.  😀

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, Thinking Skins said:

 

but it wouldn't surprise me if Snyder's in the passenger seat and he's riding along on the parkway until he sees a sign that says "Cracker Barrell" and says "ooh, I used to love that place when I was a kid, lets make a stop there" and so whoever's doing the driving makes the stop and waits in the long line to get the food and now Dan's saying "hmmmm, that was a good meal but now I want to walk around for a minute so lets get on Route 1 and take that the rest of the way to Baltimore".

 

He's not doing this every trip to Baltimore, or every draft or every free agent move but he's there and has an attitude that he's smarter and more important than the driver so at any time he can say "lets go sign Terrell Pryor" or "lets draft Dwayne Haskins" or "lets trade for AJ Green" or "lets draft Mark Sanchez" etc. And its not like Cracker Barrell isn't a great restaurant and has some great things on the menu (like I think Haskins is a good QB), but how can a guy like Mike Shanahan or Kyle Smith or whoever is in power be expected to operate efficiently and make the trip from DC to Baltimore in a reasonable amount of time, avoiding traffic etc (ala building a team around the salary cap with a certain philosophy and style of play) when they know that at any moment they can be overruled by one of Dan's crazy ideas. Do they proactively take Rt. 1 (i.e coming with stupid sounding ideas to try to please Dan)? Do they recommend other restaurants that (they think) don't interfere with their overall plans  (say they know Dan likes speedy receivers, do they recommend a Paul Richardson thinking Dan will approve it more than somebody better)? 

 

That's how it feels to me.  Shanny told a story one time of Dan walking into his office and saying lets go get Randy Moss.  Joe Gibbs told a story (ironically he told it in a nice way) about how he called him once about let's go get Lance Briggs.  Dan watching SNF or Louis Reddick hyping some dude or whatever and boom he's on the chase.  He gets the itch and pushes it.

 

But if you listen to Shanny or Scot or whomever they don't give the impression he does it all the time or even most of the time.  But it clearly happens sometimes.  Hence that's my guess.  i am guessing the ones who worked with Dan are telling the truth.

 

1 hour ago, Thinking Skins said:

 

So to me its almost impossible to separate the influence of Dan from ANY decision made. And I do think its REMARKABLE that we have such a good core of young players on this team right now.

 

I agree and disagree with this point.  I agree in that Dan making roster decisions effects the whole roster and outcome of the team.  So that's what drives me with a who cares how much he's interfering because any version of it is bad.   If its some of the time, most of the time or all of the time -- it spoils the broth either way.  Everyone of those scenarios condemn him.

 

Where I disagree is for example reading about Kyle as an example, they really (even Bruce) leave him alone with the draft according to most with the exception of the first round.  I don't give credit to Dan for drafting McLaurin or Holcomb or Harmon, etc.  I've read stories about how Holcomb for example was discovered.  I've heard Kyle talk about what made him fall for Harmon.  Dan had nothing to do with that stuff based on any of those reports.    And if Dan is secretly even making most of the draft picks in recent years -- then bravo Dan because man his instincts about the draft evolved if so.  But I don't think he is. 

 

1 hour ago, Thinking Skins said:

 

But that still doesn't change the culture of corruption, the infighting, the smear campaigns, what he did to Mike Nolan what he did to Zorn, twice. And those are things I can't forget about as easily as say drafting Malcolm Kelly because we fell in love with him and ignored the medical reports. And I'm convinced that whatever success we have it will be short lived because Dan has that culture of infighting and people will leave when given the chance. I still have hopes that somebody like a Gibbs or remember when George Michaels was one of his best friends? Maybe now an Urban Meyer? Somebody who is not corrupt from the core? 

 

That's what I hate the most about Dan and the culture.  It's not a side plot issue for me but the main plot.  Yeah I don't like him meddling.  But the other stuff bothers me a lot more. 

[Gibbs828791]

With all the talk we hear about drinking late into the night etc....serious question....we need to find out if he has a drinking problem which would explain alot of this.

[Skinsinparadise]

2 minutes ago, Gibbs828791 said:

With all the talk we hear about drinking late into the night etc....serious question....we need to find out if he has a drinking problem which would explain alot of this.

 

Yep. His instincts I bet are bad enough sober.  But after downing a Crown Royal -- who knows what goes through his small mind?  You read about how he stays for 4 hours or so every game, I'd put money there is a lot of drinking going on.  And supposedly that's when Dan makes some decisions. 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dan-snyder-once-gave-jerry-jones-advice-on-losing-drink-a-lot/

Dan Snyder once gave Jerry Jones advice on losing: 'Drink a lot'

[SkinsFTW]

58 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

You say where did I come up with Dan does it all the time?

 

Then we got this point, directed at mine about how Dan interferes some of the time with personnel.  I take the point as me saying that he sometimes interferes with personnel suggests he's sorta of disruptive.  I go I think he's very disruptive.  But my definition of disruptive isn't just about personnel and I elaborated on it. 

 

If your point is not to take you that literally.  OK.  Was your point he interferes with personnel most of the time versus my point that its some of the time?  Or if I am misunderstanding, sorry, let me know what your point is in contrast to mine?

 

This isn't the first time you've challenged my position on Dan and its centered on a variation of this same sort of point.  So I thought I have your point down but if I don't let me know what am missing.  😀

 

 

I thought that I explained it satisfactorily yet you still don't understand how a buffoon like Dan Snyder can influence everything going on with the team while not actually making every decision. He totally controls his puppet who has full control yet when the team never wins anything he never gets fired. Is it not obvious why that is?

 

I made reference to the kid from the Twilight zone episode who sent everyone to the cornfield when they didn't do things exactly how he expects them to be done. That is Dan Snyder IMO. Except he's in his 50s, his effect is the same. Look at the stupid crap Bruce says.

 

So in response to working for a nut Job like Dan Snyder everybody spends most of their time in self preservation mode. Bruce Allen is the most obvious. He's put into position of being best buddies with the owner instead of actually working nonstop with the coaches and scouts. He makes trades for Alex Smith because we are close. He keeps Trent Williams around despite the fact that he's giving up significant draft picks for a guy who won't even be around by the time this team is actually competitive for a SB, he's done these things for years, signing Keenum too, even McNabb when we needed to just rebuild. Dan wanted to compete NOW therefore we ended up with a busted up McNabb. Gruden did the same thing by wanting Colt McCoy to stick around despite being a backup at best, starting Keenum, not wasting time working with Haskins.

 

Dan is involved in this way in every single thing that anyone on this team does. Even the media in DC is afraid to say anything about what is actually going on despite the fact that they know about a lot of it and the clown himself has been in hiding from the fans the entire time, sending out Gruden and Williams and Bruce to do the talking for him. Yet what they speak most of the time sounds ridiculous. And people wonder how they could be so dumb.

 

We're really close!!! Just you wait and see!!!  That's the kind of things that Cornfield Dan needs to hear or heads are going to roll. Bruce is really only there to be Dan's buddy and make him feel entertained. The entire thing is a joke. Dan is the cause all of it and is involved in all of it in every way possible.

[Hooper]

What a dumpster fire. Unbelievable that when it comes to facilities and staff, the Redskins are a step down for most players on the roster compared to major college problems. People always Snyder cares and will do whatever it takes. LOL. 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28334892/from-miami-dolphins-cincinnati-bengals-embarking-nfl-tour-sadness

 

Inside the 22-year-old Redskins Park, the hallways are lined with orange pleather liquidation-sale couches, while upstairs, the lobby features white leather furniture that I swear I sat on while interviewing Norv Turner in the late 1990s. When the team's slogan, "Everything Matters," appears on the back wall, I involuntarily start giggling -- until I realize, oh, they're serious.

 

 If an owner can't even correct the simple, nonmoving parts like infrastructure, what possible hope does he have at the really vital, complex stuff like hiring a coach or GM, developing a franchise QB and building a culture and roster around him? You simply can't own a team worth $3.4 billion and continually promise to spare no expense in order to build a winner and expect your fan base, free agents or franchise quarterbacks to believe you when there's a sign on your locker room door that reads, "HOT TUB DOWN."