General Mass Shooting Thread (originally Las Vegas Strip)

[Llevron]

I hope they change it I really do 

[Springfield]

If your fiends got shot up in front of you in school, would you even want to go back?

 

****, these kids will be treated for PTSD for the rest of their lives.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

Whether it works or not, I applaud them for trying to do something in the wake of this tragedy. 

 

These kids are heroes. 

Edited February 19, 2018 by Momma There Goes That Man

[Springfield]

It only works if they get media attention.

[twa]

 

IT?

[Corcaigh]

2 hours ago, Popeman38 said:

If the argument is that any gun in school endangers the kids, there should be reports of armed SRO accidentally shooting students. 

 

If you search on "school resource officer discharges weapon" you see quite a few results,

 

Here's one of the first exults where a teacher was hit.

 

http://www.wnem.com/story/33691674/police-firearm-discharged-at-high-school

 

Putting more guns in schools will increase accidents.

[twa]

Just now, Corcaigh said:

 

 

Putting more guns in schools will increase accidents.

 

Are we trying to reduce accidents?.... or deaths?

I would prefer both but the world doesn't cooperate at times.

 

we have cut police response time as far as contact with shooter by eliminating stupid policy, but trained and armed  people on site can cut that response time even more,,,,time which is critical in both reducing shooting victims AND getting medical care to the wounded.

 

 

[Springfield]

Oooh, I’ve got a great idea.  You guys are gonna love this!

 

You know how every flight has an Air Marshal that is armed to both protect and deter people highjacking planes and such?  Let’s do that with students.  Every class will have a fake student who is actually a dude with a gun who can **** up some would be mass murder!  Gen-ious!

 

What about the elementary schools, you ask?  Simple... midgets.  Those little sons of ****es don’t have anything else going on anyhow, just let them blend right in and pack some heat at the same time.  Those retarded ass whiteboy wanna be KKK’ers who got no love from daddy growing up will never knew what hit them.  Imagine the headlines, “Midget stops white supremaciat murderer”

 

**** yeah America, we got this!

Edited February 19, 2018 by Springfield

[twa]

We prefer the term little people ya insensitive yahoo.

 

Again with disparaging teachers?

never knew a degree made ya incompetent.

[DogofWar1]

18 minutes ago, Springfield said:

Oooh, I’ve got a great idea.  You guys are gonna love this!

 

You know how every flight has an Air Marshal that is armed to both protect and deter people highjacking planes and such?  Let’s do that with students.  Every class will have a fake student who is actually a dude with a gun who can **** up some would be mass murder!  Gen-ious!

 

What about the elementary schools, you ask?  Simple... midgets.  Those little sons of ****es don’t have anything else going on anyhow, just let them blend right in and pack some heat at the same time.  Those retarded ass whiteboy wanna be KKK’ers who got no love from daddy growing up will never knew what hit them.  Imagine the headlines, “Midget stops white supremaciat murderer”

 

**** yeah America, we got this!

The next question however, is how much do I trust Steve Buscemi with a firearm?

 

[Mr. Sinister]

1 hour ago, Springfield said:

If your fiends got shot up in front of you in school, would you even want to go back?

 

****, these kids will be treated for PTSD for the rest of their lives.

 

No way I would be able to go back. I would be a wreck. How do you even do that? Go back to class and even remotely pretend that everything is even close to normal?

 

At some point they will have to go back, but I applaud the he'll out of them for standing up. Every last one. They are realizing earlier than a lot of adults that the people in charge of this country do not have their best interests at heart, and when voting time comes down the road when they're of age (likely next tall for many), I will be right there with them to send their asses packing.

[AsburySkinsFan]

8 hours ago, twa said:

 

Are we trying to reduce accidents?.... or deaths?

I would prefer both but the world doesn't cooperate at times.

 

we have cut police response time as far as contact with shooter by eliminating stupid policy, but trained and armed  people on site can cut that response time even more,,,,time which is critical in both reducing shooting victims AND getting medical care to the wounded.

 

 

Once again you’re focusing on RESPONSE rather than PREVENTION. In EVERY single one of your “solutions” dead kids and teachers are already on the floor.

 

Please fill in the blanks for the class:

An ounce of ___________ is worth a pound of __________.

Edited February 19, 2018 by AsburySkinsFan

[The Sisko]

18 hours ago, twa said:

 

Cite some posts or apologize, that is the exact opposite of what I have endorsed

 

 

or just continue to lie

I spent more time looking for this than I should have. Then I saw your response again and realized you weren't denying the key point, i.e. your espousing a moral grey area around abortion clinic attacks but my extrapolation about such people being martyrs to the movement. Since you copped to the former, I'm good.

[Bang]

1 hour ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

Once again you’re focusing on RESPONSE rather than PREVENTION. In EVERY single one of your “solutions” dead kids and teachers are already on the floor.

 

Please fill in the blanks for the class:

An ounce of ___________ is worth a pound of __________.

 

 

An ounce of MURDERED CHILDREN is worth a pound of MONEY.

 

the sooner people realize that, maybe they get angry that they have been so obviously manipulated into holding on to such moronic positions while blood flows all around their feet.

 

~Bang

[twa]

2 hours ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

Once again you’re focusing on RESPONSE rather than PREVENTION. In EVERY single one of your “solutions” dead kids and teachers are already on the floor.

 

Please fill in the blanks for the class:

An ounce of ___________ is worth a pound of __________.

 

I've offered practical preventive measures as well, ya'll just ignore them

 

Since you offer nothing it is better to focus on response

[AsburySkinsFan]

LoL...we’ve offered tons of solutions, but you cannot accept them because they threaten you’re ideological commitments.

[Destino]

Out of curiosity I wanted to know what it would cost to put a full time police officer in every school.  A quick google search tells me there are about 98,000 public schools in the US and the average police officer salary is about 60,000 a year.   So about $5,880,000,000 on salary alone, which is only part of the total cost, annually.  

 

So as a short term plan why not add a sin tax to fire arms and related items (ammunition, accessories, etc) that covers an agent in every school.  Preferably a federally trained security specialist that can assess each schools security situation, make recommendations, receive all student tips on potential threats, and coordinate with local law enforcement and homeland security.  Note that I'm not talking about a local cop that's there to be a police officer.  They aren't consistently trained or narrowly focused enough.  These people could also help with emergency response situations, as schools often serve as shelters in emergency situations.  

 

Freedom isn't free, right?  Good guy with a gun, right?  Well here's an option for folks that love them some slogans.  

[twa]

5 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

LoL...we’ve offered tons of solutions, but you cannot accept them because they threaten you’re ideological commitments.

 

Which ones that will pass?

 

mine on arming select staff has already passed

 

We can try passing a red flag law...one certainly should have netted this shooter.

Of course those put people at risk....do you believe in risk?

[AsburySkinsFan]

:yawn:

Just because you can get more people to vote for one idea over another doesn’t mean that it’s the best idea....after all you elected Trump...

[twa]

3 minutes ago, Destino said:

Out of curiosity I wanted to know what it would cost to put a full time police officer in every school.  A quick google search tells me there are about 98,000 public schools in the US and the average police officer salary is about 60,000 a year.   So about $5,880,000,000 on salary alone, which is only part of the total cost, annually.  

 

So as a short term plan why not add a sin tax to fire arms and related items (ammunition, accessories, etc) that covers it an agent in every school.  Preferably a federally trained security specialist that can assess each schools security situation, make recommendations, receive all student tips on potential threats, and coordinate with local law enforcement and homeland security.  Note that I'm not talking about a local cop that's there to be a police officer.  They aren't consistently trained or narrowly focused enough.  These people could also help with emergency response situations, as schools often serve as shelters in emergency situations.  

 

Freedom isn't free, right?  Good guy with a gun, right?  Well here's an option for folks that love them some slogans.  

 

I'm good with that, though arming select staff would increase their effectiveness and reduce costs....we already do have them here in HS and most JrH

 

And we even have heat,AC and lights to go with books in schools

[Long n Left]

19 minutes ago, twa said:

 

Since you offer nothing 

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

[The Sisko]

39 minutes ago, Long n Left said:

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

I’m going to have to complain to the mods as this is off topic. It clearly belongs in the Own3d thread! ?

[Destino]

32 minutes ago, twa said:

I'm good with that, though arming select staff would increase their effectiveness and reduce costs....we already do have them here in HS and most JrH

 

And we even have heat,AC and lights to go with books in schools

A dedicated security professional that can investigate threats would provide a greater chance of getting in front of a threat instead of just reacting to it.  That's ideal.  A federal agent on site would provide better coordination with homeland and the FBI which are really the agencies we want getting their eyes on potential threats of this kind. 

 

New laws are going to be needed as well.  People that start issuing threat online deemed credible, but not specific enough to charge them with anything, can't really be touched until they break a law.  I don't know how you force people into a mental health check without trampling rights, but if the goal is stopping some of these guys before to go off simply being aware of persons of interest isn't going to be enough. 

[Popeman38]

7 minutes ago, Destino said:

A dedicated security professional that can investigate threats would provide a greater chance of getting in front of a threat instead of just reacting to it.  That's ideal.  A federal agent on site would provide better coordination with homeland and the FBI which are really the agencies we want getting their eyes on potential threats of this kind. 

 

New laws are going to be needed as well.  People that start issuing threat online deemed credible, but not specific enough to charge them with anything, can't really be touched until they break a law.  I don't know how you force people into a mental health check without trampling rights, but if the goal is stopping some of these guys before to go off simply being aware of persons of interest isn't going to be enough. 

We also need more parents like the dad in Frederick County.  Don't hesitate because they are your kid.  She is now being evaluated.  Isn't it better to have a child alive and well than to live with the knowledge that your kid killed other kids?

 

http://wjla.com/news/local/father-turns-in-daughter-after-finding-journal-with-plans-of-mass-shooting-at-md-school

[tshile]

21 hours ago, twa said:

 

if you talking to me, rate of fire is harder to regulate than barring semi-autos for young folk.

 

Don't think you could get a semi-auto ban for all ages passed by the court or public, magazine sizes maybe, but those are easily worked around.

 

not sure how you would define rate of fire, aside from bumpstocks and such which I would support requiring extensive background checks/licensing for.

 

 

Not you specifically but the general conversation.

 

I was speaking to what I believe they are trying to do - they want to limit access to guns that fire lots of bullets quickly with high precision.

 

They normally say "ban ar-15s" to which people like me and you (which you were) say: uh, there's a lot of guns that do that, ar-15s are just the model you know of...

 

They want to reduce rate of fire. Which you absolutely could regulate (of course it'll be challenged) and that would be better than coming up with a model, and playing the game of adding new models all the time. I also think it would be more effective than replicated the AWB, which just weirdly combined certain attachments/features and said 2 or more = banned. 

 

I do not think a rate of fire ban would do much too stop mass shootings or gun violence, and I'm not sure our politicians have the balls to do it, but it would be a better headline for the policy compared to "ban ar15s"

 

At least it would be logical.